Bad News Thread

Racism is in your head. Discrimination is the overt act that we should be fighting. Regardless of where it happens. Why is it a poor piece?
I probably agree its more about discrimination and removing discrimination at every level, for whatever reason and race becomes moot. I said Brazil was a poor example, btw, not that its a poor piece, although I do think it has plenty of discrepancies, some of which I showed.
 
My entire post was looking at the latter. Are you denying that we have evolved as a nation?
Yes, we've evolved, at times being pulled screaming in the right direction. Its surely bizarre and somewhat indicative that the civil rights act "lost the south" for the Ds and handed it to the Rs. If we had evolved, it would have been a slam dunk and apolitical.

When politics is all about culture wars, we haven't evolved nearly as much as we'd like to think we have. But then again, we are not alone in that regard.
 
Perhaps the biggest fallacy about the history of racial and ethnic minorities is that the passage of time reduces the hostility and discrimination they face. In many countries, minorities have faced greater hostility and discrimination in a later period than in earlier periods. In other countries, the reverse has been true. But the passage of time alone does not automatically produce either result.......... Within an even shorter span of time, the island nation of Sri Lanka, off the coast of India, went from being a country whose good relations between majority and minority had become a model for intergroup harmony to one with a decades-long civil war taking tens of thousands of lives. During the first half of the twentieth century, there was not a single riot between the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority. But, during the second half of that century, there were many such riots, marked by unspeakable atrocities, and ultimately degenerating into a civil war that was still not completely ended as the twenty-first century dawned.
It was pretty much the norm that any country the British left fell into civil war. Ghana didn't, and I struggle after that. You could include South Africa, but then again we know why that was. The British ruled through division and managed by playing the different sides of a country against each other. Keep in mind that most of these countries aren't historically countries. They are territories conquered and melded together by the conquerors.
 
So what's the purpose of the piece you posted.
To show how little we actually know about slavery as we try to justify Critical Race Theory with fallacious catch phrases and false assumptions about income, education, home ownership etc.. I don't hate blacks. Never have. Just hate how the Race baiters are making a disgusting living off of manufacturing race based crisis.

The Black Family

Some of the most basic beliefs and assumptions about the black family are demonstrably fallacious. For example, it has been widely believed that black family names were the names of the slave masters who owned particular families. Such beliefs led a number of American blacks, during the 1960s especially, to repudiate those names as a legacy of slavery and give themselves new names— most famously boxing champion Cassius Clay renaming himself Muhammad Ali.

Family names were in fact forbidden to blacks enslaved in the United States, as family names were forbidden to other people in lowly positions in various other times and places— slaves in China and parts of the Middle East, for example, and it was 1870 before common people in Japan were authorized to use surnames. In Western civilization, ordinary people began to have surnames in the Middle Ages. In many places and times, family names were considered necessary and appropriate only for the elite, who moved in wider circles— both geographically and socially— and whose families' prestige was important to take with them. Slaves in the United States secretly gave themselves surnames in order to maintain a sense of family but they did not use those surnames around whites. Years after emancipation, blacks born during the era of slavery remained reluctant to tell white people their full names.

The "slave names" fallacy is false not only because whites did not give slaves surnames but also because the names that blacks gave themselves were not simply the names of whoever owned them. During the era of slavery, it was common to choose other names. Otherwise, if all the families belonging to a given slave owner took his name, that would defeat the purpose of creating separate family identities. Ironically, when some blacks in the twentieth century began repudiating what they called "slave names," they often took Arabic names, even though Arabs over the centuries had enslaved more Africans than Europeans had.

A fallacy with more substantial implications is that the current fatherless families so prevalent among contemporary blacks are a "legacy of slavery," where families were not recognized. As with other social problems attributed to a "legacy of slavery," this ignores the fact that the problem has become much worse among generations of blacks far removed from slavery than among generations closer to the era of slavery. Most black children were raised in two-parent homes, even under slavery, and for generations thereafter. Freed blacks married, and marriage rates among blacks were slightly higher than among whites in the early twentieth century. Blacks also had slightly higher rates of labor force participation than whites in every census from 1890 to 1950.

While 31 percent of black children were born to unmarried women in the early 1930s, that proportion rose to 77 percent by the early 1990s. If unwed childbirth was "a legacy of slavery," why was it so much less common among blacks who were two generations closer to the era of slavery? One sign of the breakdown of the nuclear family among blacks was that, by 1993, more than a million black children were being raised by their grandparents, about two-thirds as many as among whites, even though there are several times as many whites as blacks in the population of the United States.

When tragic retrogressions in all these respects became painfully apparent in the second half of the twentieth century, a "legacy of slavery" became a false explanation widely used, thereby avoiding confronting contemporary factors in contemporary problems.

These retrogressions were not only dramatic in themselves, they had major impacts on other important individual and social results. For example, while most black children were still being raised in two-parent families as late as 1970, only one third were by 1995. Moreover, much social pathology is highly correlated with the absence of a father, both among blacks and whites, but the magnitude of the problem is greater among blacks because fathers are missing more often in black families. While, in the late twentieth century, an absolute majority of those black families with no husband present lived in poverty, more than four-fifths of black husband-wife families did not. From 1994 on into the twenty-first century, the poverty rate among black husband-wife families was below 10 percent.

It is obviously not simply the act of getting married which drastically reduces the poverty rate among blacks, or among other groups, but the values and behavior patterns which lead to marriage and which have a wider impact on many other things.3 6

Economic Facts and Fallacies by Thomas Sowell
 
Other such examples could be found in many countries and in many periods of history. In Bohemia, Germans and Czechs co-existed peacefully for centuries, until the rise of Czech nationalism, climaxed by the creation of the new nation of Czechoslovakia after the First World War, led to discrimination against Germans and then to a German backlash that led ultimately to the Munich crisis of 1938, when the Czechs were forced to relinquish the predominantly German Sudetenland to Nazi Germany. After Germany later took over all of Czechoslovakia, the Germans in that country then joined in the Nazis' persecution of Czechs. After the defeat of Germany in World War II, Germans in Czechoslovakia were expelled by the millions, often under brutal conditions that led to many deaths.
The Treaty of Versailles was a shit show and exhibit A in how not to act as a victor. It fueled the rise of the Nazis and WW2. The Marshall Plan is exhibit A in how to act as a victor - one of the USs finest moments, imho. Czechoslovakia was an artificial construct and no longer exists having peacefully split in two. "Great" powers drawing lines on a map and calling shit done with no realization or care for the short or long term impacts.
 
I probably agree its more about discrimination and removing discrimination at every level, for whatever reason and race becomes moot. I said Brazil was a poor example, btw, not that its a poor piece, although I do think it has plenty of discrepancies, some of which I showed.
I think the discrepancies go away with more context. One of the best books I've ever read. Economic Facts and Fallacies.
 
Yes, we've evolved, at times being pulled screaming in the right direction. Its surely bizarre and somewhat indicative that the civil rights act "lost the south" for the Ds and handed it to the Rs. If we had evolved, it would have been a slam dunk and apolitical.

When politics is all about culture wars, we haven't evolved nearly as much as we'd like to think we have. But then again, we are not alone in that regard.
Agree, but politics lives by culture wars. That is why it is important to empirically show how important it is to not play identity politics with multi-causal problems that are often made worse by well meaning government programs that slow some of the positive trends that blacks were making long before the Civil Liberties Act.
 
To show how little we actually know about slavery as we try to justify Critical Race Theory with fallacious catch phrases and false assumptions about income, education, home ownership etc.. I don't hate blacks. Never have. Just hate how the Race baiters are making a disgusting living off of manufacturing race based crisis.
I don't really care about CRT, tbh. I'm down with teaching historical fact in the raw. I'm not down with teaching some other version tainted one way or the other. I'm fine with recognizing bad shit happened. We should, and we should work hard to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm not down with stupidity like reparations and such like.

WRT income, education & home ownership - here's a specific federal policy from less than 100 years ago which directly impacted blacks with respect to all 3, for their generation and the next. Around this time (1934) my grandfather was buying property, educated his kids who educated theirs. Two of those generations are still alive and reaping the benefit of my grandfathers work (& our own obviously, but you get the point).

Extract,

He notes that the Federal Housing Administration, which was established in 1934, furthered the segregation efforts by refusing to insure mortgages in and near African-American neighborhoods — a policy known as "redlining." At the same time, the FHA was subsidizing builders who were mass-producing entire subdivisions for whites — with the requirement that none of the homes be sold to African-Americans.

 
The percentage of black families with incomes below the poverty line fell most sharply between 1940 and 1960, going from 87 percent to 47 percent over that span, before either the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and well before the 1970s, when "affirmative action" evolved into numerical "goals" or "quotas." While the downward trend in poverty continued, the pace of that decline did not accelerate after these legal landmarks but in fact slackened. The poverty rate declined from 47 percent to 30 percent during the decade of the 1960s and then only from 30 percent to 29 percent between 1970 and 1980. However, much credit has been claimed for the civil rights laws of the 1960s or the War on Poverty programs of that same decade, the hard facts show that blacks' rise out of poverty was more dramatic before any of these government actions got under way.
The US boomed from 1950 through 1972, to my recollection, and then there was a recession fueled by OPEC etc. So basically the economic growth would track with the country booming as a whole and then the decline would track with the US (& Global) recession in the 70s. The boom was pretty unprecedented and it build a huge middle class (blue and white collar), with extremely high tax rates for high earners. The recession ran through the 70s and only really turned in the 80s.

The economic correlation to the acts and affirmative action without looking at the actual economy in general is pretty lame, imv.
 
The National Association of County and City Health Officials (NACCHO) told CNN in May that more than 250 public health officials had left their jobs since the pandemic started -- many of them against their will, and others under pressure from people opposed to public health efforts to control the pandemic.


Politicians all over the country are so loyal to t and his twisted view of the pandemic that they are willing to sacrifice public health.
 
Yes, we've evolved, at times being pulled screaming in the right direction. Its surely bizarre and somewhat indicative that the civil rights act "lost the south" for the Ds and handed it to the Rs. If we had evolved, it would have been a slam dunk and apolitical.

When politics is all about culture wars, we haven't evolved nearly as much as we'd like to think we have. But then again, we are not alone in that regard.

there was a survey someone recently did. I can’t remember the source but it showed both parties had moved but the ds had moved substantially more leftwards since 2000. I can’t remember who did it now or if it was a partisan source but it does track with what I’ve seen in the past. You have for example a segment of the r community that thinks gay marriage is just fine. But then there’s a segment of the d community that embraces the Warren/sanders economic agenda and another portion that thinks waiving the flag is jingoistic and a hostile act or that kneels during the national anthem. Without passing judgment on the positions (that’s not my purpose here), such positions would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Yes the rs have moved too but there’s not a whole lot outside foreign policy which I would have said “unthinkable” in the 80s.

since about the French Revolution in the west there have been three schools of thinking about how society is organized (there’s actually a 4th of which nazism was a part but because of Germany’s defeat in the 2nd ww it’s largely dead as a philosophical pole): traditionalism (stemming from old Christian traditions and monarchical philosophies), modernism (with roots most strongly in the enlightenment) and post modernism (stemming from the jacobin tradition and of which socialism is a small part). It’s a triangle around which you can place the various isms. Part of the problem is post modernism is on an upswing in the west and there’s also been a traditionalist rise (not as steep) to counter it. The problem for the modernists is that they aren’t sure which is a bigger threat so they’ve divided (with some allying with the traditionalists and some with the post modernists) making them less effective as a counterweight to either, and therefore placing the very foundations of the enlightenment on shaky ground (you see this at the way modernists divided over trump for example). The issue is these ways of looking at the world are fundamentally incompatible with each other and affect a whole range of issues beyond politics like what you worship, how you educate your kids and even how you speak to one another. It’s been going on and evolving for almost 300 years now and we’ve hit the point, not just in the us but everywhere in the western influences world, where the divisions are coming to a boiling point.
 
there was a survey someone recently did. I can’t remember the source but it showed both parties had moved but the ds had moved substantially more leftwards since 2000. I can’t remember who did it now or if it was a partisan source but it does track with what I’ve seen in the past. You have for example a segment of the r community that thinks gay marriage is just fine. But then there’s a segment of the d community that embraces the Warren/sanders economic agenda and another portion that thinks waiving the flag is jingoistic and a hostile act or that kneels during the national anthem. Without passing judgment on the positions (that’s not my purpose here), such positions would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Yes the rs have moved too but there’s not a whole lot outside foreign policy which I would have said “unthinkable” in the 80s.

since about the French Revolution in the west there have been three schools of thinking about how society is organized (there’s actually a 4th of which nazism was a part but because of Germany’s defeat in the 2nd ww it’s largely dead as a philosophical pole): traditionalism (stemming from old Christian traditions and monarchical philosophies), modernism (with roots most strongly in the enlightenment) and post modernism (stemming from the jacobin tradition and of which socialism is a small part). It’s a triangle around which you can place the various isms. Part of the problem is post modernism is on an upswing in the west and there’s also been a traditionalist rise (not as steep) to counter it. The problem for the modernists is that they aren’t sure which is a bigger threat so they’ve divided (with some allying with the traditionalists and some with the post modernists) making them less effective as a counterweight to either, and therefore placing the very foundations of the enlightenment on shaky ground (you see this at the way modernists divided over trump for example). The issue is these ways of looking at the world are fundamentally incompatible with each other and affect a whole range of issues beyond politics like what you worship, how you educate your kids and even how you speak to one another. It’s been going on and evolving for almost 300 years now and we’ve hit the point, not just in the us but everywhere in the western influences world, where the divisions are coming to a boiling point.

Naziism/fascism is alive and well in America, and t is the current figurehead.

As for the rest: C- drivel.
 
The Dallas CPAC audience cheered for death --

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on July 12 said it will add a warning label to Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine that it is linked to a rare neurological disorder known as Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), while J&J confirmed it is “in discussions” with federal agencies.

“The FDA is announcing revisions to the vaccine recipient and vaccination provider fact sheets for the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) COVID-19 Vaccine to include information pertaining to an observed increased risk of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) following vaccination,” an FDA spokesperson told The Epoch Times on July 12.
 
I don't really care about CRT, tbh. I'm down with teaching historical fact in the raw. I'm not down with teaching some other version tainted one way or the other. I'm fine with recognizing bad shit happened. We should, and we should work hard to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm not down with stupidity like reparations and such like.

WRT income, education & home ownership - here's a specific federal policy from less than 100 years ago which directly impacted blacks with respect to all 3, for their generation and the next. Around this time (1934) my grandfather was buying property, educated his kids who educated theirs. Two of those generations are still alive and reaping the benefit of my grandfathers work (& our own obviously, but you get the point).

Extract,

He notes that the Federal Housing Administration, which was established in 1934, furthered the segregation efforts by refusing to insure mortgages in and near African-American neighborhoods — a policy known as "redlining." At the same time, the FHA was subsidizing builders who were mass-producing entire subdivisions for whites — with the requirement that none of the homes be sold to African-Americans.

The New Deal. Another euphemism for fallacy.
 
there was a survey someone recently did. I can’t remember the source but it showed both parties had moved but the ds had moved substantially more leftwards since 2000. I can’t remember who did it now or if it was a partisan source but it does track with what I’ve seen in the past. You have for example a segment of the r community that thinks gay marriage is just fine. But then there’s a segment of the d community that embraces the Warren/sanders economic agenda and another portion that thinks waiving the flag is jingoistic and a hostile act or that kneels during the national anthem. Without passing judgment on the positions (that’s not my purpose here), such positions would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Yes the rs have moved too but there’s not a whole lot outside foreign policy which I would have said “unthinkable” in the 80s.

since about the French Revolution in the west there have been three schools of thinking about how society is organized (there’s actually a 4th of which nazism was a part but because of Germany’s defeat in the 2nd ww it’s largely dead as a philosophical pole): traditionalism (stemming from old Christian traditions and monarchical philosophies), modernism (with roots most strongly in the enlightenment) and post modernism (stemming from the jacobin tradition and of which socialism is a small part). It’s a triangle around which you can place the various isms. Part of the problem is post modernism is on an upswing in the west and there’s also been a traditionalist rise (not as steep) to counter it. The problem for the modernists is that they aren’t sure which is a bigger threat so they’ve divided (with some allying with the traditionalists and some with the post modernists) making them less effective as a counterweight to either, and therefore placing the very foundations of the enlightenment on shaky ground (you see this at the way modernists divided over trump for example). The issue is these ways of looking at the world are fundamentally incompatible with each other and affect a whole range of issues beyond politics like what you worship, how you educate your kids and even how you speak to one another. It’s been going on and evolving for almost 300 years now and we’ve hit the point, not just in the us but everywhere in the western influences world, where the divisions are coming to a boiling point.
The mix within the parties is because there should be more parties, but the one thing that unites R & D at a leadership level is the 2 party state. The fundamental problem with this is that primaries dictate who runs and redistricting gerrymanders too many districts to guarantee R or D to win. Primaries belch out extremists who then get elected because sheep just tick the R or D box.

fwiw, the Ds move leftward would still put them right of center is most every other country. Its a handful who grab the headlines, but most are still good corporate capitalists. Reagan couldn't get elected today as a R. He'd stand a much better chance as a D. You just have to look at the marginalization of certain Rs, e.g. Flake or Romney or Cheney.
 
Naziism/fascism is alive and well in America, and t is the current figurehead.

As for the rest: C- drivel.
Nazism and fascism are two different isms. Nazism is primarily based on racial theories which traditionalist fascism like Francoism does not. Trump as a populist does have some traits similar to francoism and is also firmly in the traditionalist side of the pyramid. Nazism also has some traditionalist traits but they aren’t traditionalist (religion wasn’t an important pillar, nor was restoration of traditional governance like the Kaiser but extreme nationalism or jingoism was). Nazism also had some postmodernist socialist traits including central planning of the economy, state monopoly, and the progress of history. In the philosophical pyramid it sits near the top of the pyramid on the legs between postmodernism and traditionalism while Francoism sits on the traditionalist corner slightly tilted towards postmodernism and just barely off the ground to the top of the pyramid
 
The mix within the parties is because there should be more parties, but the one thing that unites R & D at a leadership level is the 2 party state. The fundamental problem with this is that primaries dictate who runs and redistricting gerrymanders too many districts to guarantee R or D to win. Primaries belch out extremists who then get elected because sheep just tick the R or D box.

fwiw, the Ds move leftward would still put them right of center is most every other country. Its a handful who grab the headlines, but most are still good corporate capitalists. Reagan couldn't get elected today as a R. He'd stand a much better chance as a D. You just have to look at the marginalization of certain Rs, e.g. Flake or Romney or Cheney.
I think Reagan’s main problem today would be his interventionists foreign policy which is largely also the case with the 3 you cite. Reagan would probably also drift traditionalist as bill clinton has drifted post modernist. Reagan’s base though is the working class white rs which he first switched from ds….this group is the most rabid of trump supporters. trumpism isn’t more traditionalist than farangism or le pen…there are just more traditionalists in the us than Europe…the entire thing is tied together by antielitism which is central to the new right.

As for the aoc wing of the ds, yes I agree it’s more conservative than other countries but the numbers are growing and while not further left than the communist party of France, they are certainly left of macron (who is a technocratic modernist), merkel (another technocratic modernist), and are only slightly right of the current British or Spanish labor party (that supports nationalization). The politics of Europe are slightly more stable as you point out due to the many parties but these parties have lost an ability to work with each other (the German socialist party is effectively a modernist party to the right of aoc and Germany is governed effectively by the Democratic Party in the us pre Obama)
 
There is way more good than bad, but there should be no fear at looking at the latter.
The problem with CRT is not that they are looking and studying the past. They are currently laying blame to people currently. They are telling people if you are white, you are part of the problem even if you don't think you are. Saying that if black people think hard work is the key to getting ahead, that too is a racist point of view (read Kendi), etc.

They are teaching things like meritocracy is a racist concept.

They are categorizing people based on race.

Etc, etc.

That is where they are going off the rails.

They don't want people to think in terms of a colorblind society.
 
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