Bruddah IZ
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Nonsense as usual.
Bad News Thread
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You‘re still having trouble with the germ theory of disease.
Vaccines do protect the individual, as you noted. Vaccines also decrease overall transmission, and thereby reduce overall viral load in the community. I was referring to the second effect.
Bruddah IZ
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If pre-vax survival rate is 98%, how do they know that any post-vax numbers aren't due to natural immunity? Especially in hospital workers with daily exposure to corona and other respiratory diseases over many years.
Association Between Vaccination With BNT162b2 and Incidence of Symptomatic and Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infections Among Health Care Workers - PubMed
Among health care workers at a single center in Tel Aviv, Israel, receipt of the BNT162b2 vaccine compared with no vaccine was associated with a significantly lower incidence of symptomatic and asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection more than 7 days after the second dose. Findings are limited by the...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
CNN crawl bar said as I was walking by my wife's TV that Arkansas is now scrambling for vaccine doses as they have become a covid hotpot.
The 2ndary effect really doesn't matter though if you get vaccinated and vaccines decouple hospitalizations/death from cases. Better question is why exactly are you still concerned with cases? Do you get this worked up every bad flu season, about RSV or about adenovirus?
They can be. The problem with natural immunity though is that we know it produces a wide ranging antibody response (which is likely linked with how much immunity you have but it may not be the entire story). For example, my antibody response was not very robust at all. My son's from an average level had begun to decrease a year out. My bestie's are over 10 still 6 months out.
The same effect happens with the shot. For some people, 1 shot may be enough....but for many it's not enough, particularly against a mutating variant, to keep them from getting really ill again. J&J could have been a 2 shot protocol....they however only submitted the results for a 1 shot protocol. Pfizer could have submitted for 1 shot...they got approval though for the 2 shot protocol.
From a study I previously posted in the UK, natural immunity in some cases may be enough but in the general population it seems to be the equivalent of 1 shot, particularly against the variants. The only way really around this is to constantly test everyone's antibody levels, which they are reluctant to do, in part because as some of us having been arguing about t cells, antibodies may only be part of the story.
Bruddah IZ
DA
You‘re still having trouble with quacknowledging virus history and the immune system that deals with the actual virus and disease. The fake vaccines are simply hitching a ride on the immune system.
Bruddah IZ
DA
But what you have stated above has been happening for decades. And started trending the same way last May.
Bruddah IZ
DA
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true that.
Bruddah IZ
DA
A shot that makes you smart? You the posterboy?
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Ha! True.
Hüsker Dü
DA
The airport is a burgeoning hot spot from what I hear. Lockdowns here we come.
Hitching a ride on the immune system? Well, yes. That's a pretty good description of all vaccines.
How did you think vaccines work?
whatithink
GOLD
Apart from the Romans (European) obviously, the Byzantine Empire, the Mongol hordes took slaves east, the Arabs were taking African slaves for centuries before the Europeans etc.
BTW, you should educate yourself on racism in Brazil, that's a very poor example in your piece.
So what's the purpose of the piece you posted. Slavery has always existed and was a fact of life, so that's ok? Racism didn't exist and was only created to justify slavery, so racism is ok?
Or maybe that people have been despicable for forever, so it's ok to continue being despicable now?
Heaven forbid we should attempt to evolve as a society. There's a litany of government (State & Federal) laws which were in place and were slowly repealed in the US which were clearly racist, e.g. it wasn't until 1967 when the Supreme court "authorized" inter racial marriage. Most states allowed it at that point, but a case made it all the way to the Supreme court in 1967 on it. It was still on one state's statute books until 2000 when it was finally overturned.
I don't believe in indoctrination, one way or the other. I do believe in facts, actual hard facts. There is a lot of US history to be proud of and there is also a lot to be ashamed of. There is way more good than bad, but there should be no fear at looking at the latter.
Why is everyone so fucking afraid (masked in anger and hatred and vitriol for the "other" side)? We're all Americans, better together etc. yada yada
Bruddah IZ
DA
Not very well. Obviously.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Racism is in your head. Discrimination is the overt act that we should be fighting. Regardless of where it happens. Why is it a poor piece?
Bruddah IZ
DA
I too believe in hard facts. This is not an indoc.. These are facts that you claim you believe in. And those facts clearly show that blacks nor whites needed government to intervene in some of the ways that they did:
Perhaps the biggest fallacy about the history of racial and ethnic minorities is that the passage of time reduces the hostility and discrimination they face. In many countries, minorities have faced greater hostility and discrimination in a later period than in earlier periods. In other countries, the reverse has been true. But the passage of time alone does not automatically produce either result.......... Within an even shorter span of time, the island nation of Sri Lanka, off the coast of India, went from being a country whose good relations between majority and minority had become a model for intergroup harmony to one with a decades-long civil war taking tens of thousands of lives. During the first half of the twentieth century, there was not a single riot between the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority. But, during the second half of that century, there were many such riots, marked by unspeakable atrocities, and ultimately degenerating into a civil war that was still not completely ended as the twenty-first century dawned.
Other such examples could be found in many countries and in many periods of history. In Bohemia, Germans and Czechs co-existed peacefully for centuries, until the rise of Czech nationalism, climaxed by the creation of the new nation of Czechoslovakia after the First World War, led to discrimination against Germans and then to a German backlash that led ultimately to the Munich crisis of 1938, when the Czechs were forced to relinquish the predominantly German Sudetenland to Nazi Germany. After Germany later took over all of Czechoslovakia, the Germans in that country then joined in the Nazis' persecution of Czechs. After the defeat of Germany in World War II, Germans in Czechoslovakia were expelled by the millions, often under brutal conditions that led to many deaths.
Such retrogressions in intergroup relations were not unknown in the United States, though not usually to such extremes. The predominantly German Jewish population of the United States was far better assimilated and accepted before the arrival of millions of unassimilated Eastern European Jews in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries led to a social backlash against all Jews that resulted in restrictions against Jews in places where such restrictions had not existed before. Black Americans, meanwhile, were far better accepted in Northern cities at the end of the nineteenth century than they would be in the first half of the twentieth century, after massive migrations of less assimilated Southern blacks caused a similar backlash that created new restrictions against all blacks. Northern cities in which blacks had lived largely dispersed among whites saw in the early twentieth century the rigid residential segregation patterns that would create the black ghettoes which quickly became the norm.
It would be as fallacious to depict racial retrogression as an inevitable result of the passage of time as to depict racial progress as something happening automatically over time. Much racial progress occurred in the second half of the twentieth century in the United States, especially for blacks. Since this was not something that happened automatically, it is important to understand the causes and the timing. It is especially important to scrutinize the evidence because many individuals and organizations have a vested interest in claiming credit for progress, and incessantly repeated claims can sometimes be mistaken for facts.
Progress and retrogression are not always separated in different eras. There can be much progress in some respects during the same time when there is retrogression in other respects. That was especially true among black Americans in the second half of the twentieth century.
Before the landmark Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, the racial segregation of schools was required in all the Southern states that had formed the Confederacy, as well as in Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, and the District of Columbia— and racial segregation of the schools was permitted in Wyoming, Arizona, and New Mexico. All such laws were nullified by the Supreme Court decision and, over the next decades, the practice of racial segregation in the schools was dismantled. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed racial segregation in both public and private enterprises and institutions, and forbade employment discrimination as well. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlawed practices which had disenfranchised black voters in the South and the 1970s saw "affirmative action" take on the meaning of preferential hiring of minority workers.
These major legal landmarks of the civil rights revolution have often been credited with the economic and political advances of the black population. Certainly the Voting Rights Act was responsible for a huge increase in black voting in the South and the subsequent skyrocketing of the number of black elected officials throughout the region. But history tells a very different story as regards the economic advancement of blacks.
The percentage of black families with incomes below the poverty line fell most sharply between 1940 and 1960, going from 87 percent to 47 percent over that span, before either the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and well before the 1970s, when "affirmative action" evolved into numerical "goals" or "quotas." While the downward trend in poverty continued, the pace of that decline did not accelerate after these legal landmarks but in fact slackened. The poverty rate declined from 47 percent to 30 percent during the decade of the 1960s and then only from 30 percent to 29 percent between 1970 and 1980. However, much credit has been claimed for the civil rights laws of the 1960s or the War on Poverty programs of that same decade, the hard facts show that blacks' rise out of poverty was more dramatic before any of these government actions got under way.
There was a similar historical trend as regards the rise of blacks into professional, managerial, and other high-level occupations. The number of blacks in white collar occupations, managerial and administrative occupations doubled between 1940 and 1960, and nearly doubled in professional occupations. Meanwhile, the number of blacks who were farm workers in 1960 was only one-fourth of the number who were in 1940. These favorable trends continued after 1960 but did not originate in the 1960s. As regards the group preferences and quotas— "affirmative action"— which began in the 1970s, they produced little or no effect on the relative sizes of black and white incomes. The median black household income was 60.9 percent of the median white household income in 1970— and never rose above that, or as high as that, throughout the decade of the 1970s. As of 1980, median black household income was 57.6 percent of median white household income.
The facts are clear but the fallacies persist that it was the civil rights laws, the "war on poverty" programs of the 1960s, and affirmative action which caused the rise of blacks out of poverty and their ascent into middle class occupations.
The above from Thomas Sowell reminds me of how much credit is given to NPI's and vaccines in the SCAMDEMIC. The fallacy of NPI's and vaccines persist despite hard historical data to the contrary.
Bruddah IZ
DA
My entire post was looking at the latter. Are you denying that we have evolved as a nation?