Bad News Thread

Kicker4Life said:
What are governments doing to fight the global obesity pandemic?

I think Grace’s point is well within the scope of the core question as it appears when we shut down all options people will inherently find a way to be around other people, it’s in our nature.
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You mean amongst the emotionally driven. Try thinking, reason, personal responsibility and caring about your effect on others.
 
watfly said:
Again we're talking past each other. You only want to talk about Covid, I want to talk about the whole picture. We the people didn't close schools, businesses, and non-emergency health care. Politicians did. We the people were willing to get creative to stay open. Would it have been the perfect solution to fighting Covid, nope, but neither were lockdowns, and the non-Covid impacts are significantly worse and longer term with lockdowns.

Part of making good public policy is making policy that is realistic and the public is likely to follow. You can't scare the American public into following policies that are contradictory to its culture, even if you have the media as an accomplice.
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“Politicians did”? Lol! Please, you crack me up with your myopic viewpoint.
 
So what’s the story in the UK?

Drastic spike in cases, 46% of which are vaccinated and the Govt is basically saying “screw it” and lifting all restrictions.

Are they saying restrictions don’t work, the vaccine doesn’t work, or both?
 
espola said:
Is that so? Is fear the reason we no longer allow the sale of radium-infused water, or is it a rational response to a demonstrated threat?
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very little of the response has been rational. It’s been political, fearful, or just plain guessed at. Remember they’d been planning a response to this for years. They tore up the playbook and decided to go China lite (which failed everywhere in the world….only China like seemed to work or turning your border into an island fortress).
 
texanincali said:
So what’s the story in the UK?

Drastic spike in cases, 46% of which are vaccinated and the Govt is basically saying “screw it” and lifting all restrictions.

Are they saying restrictions don’t work, the vaccine doesn’t work, or both?
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the vaccine does very well at preventing hospitalizations and deaths. The vaccine decouples cases v hospitalization/death. The deaths projected we are looking at are now on par for the coming year with a moderate-bad flu season. We don’t do these restrictions every time we have a bad flu season, and everyone who wants one has been offered the vaccine (handful of exceptions such as kids under 12 who aren’t affected much anyways) therefor it’s rational to lift the restrictions
 
Grace T. said:
very little of the response has been rational. It’s been political, fearful, or just plain guessed at. Remember they’d been planning a response to this for years. They tore up the playbook and decided to go China lite (which failed everywhere in the world….only China like seemed to work or turning your border into an island fortress).
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Which "they" are we talking about here? Fauci and the CDC realists, or t and his chorus of deniers?
 
espola said:
Which "they" are we talking about here? Fauci and the CDC realists, or t and his chorus of deniers?
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Trump can't escape responsibility here either. He went along with Fauci and didn't fire him (though in fairness the question of whether he had the legal capacity to fire him from his post at the NIH is a thorny one).
 
Grace T. said:
Trump can't escape responsibility here either. He went along with Fauci and didn't fire him (though in fairness the question of whether he had the legal capacity to fire him from his post at the NIH is a thorny one).
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Went along? Trump treated his scientific advisors like contestants on the apprentice. You don’t get good advice out of scientists by attacking them on Twitter multiple times per day.
 
dad4 said:
Went along? Trump treated his scientific advisors like contestants on the apprentice. You don’t get good advice out of scientists by attacking them on Twitter multiple times per day.
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from the emails it’s pretty clear fauci encouraged the idea it would go away. The masks, border closure, lockdowns, vaccines, stimulus 1…none of it was trumps idea. You can’t have it both ways: either he’s a moron incapable of a rational thought in which case he was largely listening to what they (including his son in law) were telling him, or he’s a mad genius that came up with all this stuff and fauci was asleep at the wheel. You can say he followed the advice reluctantly and doing what he could to undermine it but it was only his responsibility in a buck stops here sort of way (the same way Biden has now missed his own vaccination goals)
 
Grace T. said:
from the emails it’s pretty clear fauci encouraged the idea it would go away. The masks, border closure, lockdowns, vaccines, stimulus 1…none of it was trumps idea. You can’t have it both ways: either he’s a moron incapable of a rational thought in which case he was largely listening to what they (including his son in law) were telling him, or he’s a mad genius that came up with all this stuff and fauci was asleep at the wheel. You can say he followed the advice reluctantly and doing what he could to undermine it but it was only his responsibility in a buck stops here sort of way (the same way Biden has now missed his own vaccination goals)
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Did your uncle-in-law tell you about the emails or did you read them all yourself?
 
Grace T. said:
very little of the response has been rational. It’s been political, fearful, or just plain guessed at. Remember they’d been planning a response to this for years. They tore up the playbook and decided to go China lite (which failed everywhere in the world….only China like seemed to work or turning your border into an island fortress).
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That’s the narrative you were fed, and swallowed whole.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
“Politicians did”? Lol! Please, you crack me up with your myopic viewpoint.
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Maybe so, but if you think that public schools didn't reopen this past fall for health reasons, and not political reasons, I suggest you do some more research. I'd recommend you look into the American Academy of Pediatrics and National Academy of Medicine recommendations last year vs. UTLA and SDUSD pronouncements. Particularly the timing of the school unions pronouncements in relation to Newsom's declaration regarding continued school closures.
 
watfly said:
Maybe so, but if you think that public schools didn't reopen this past fall for health reasons, and not political reasons, I suggest you do some more research. I'd recommend you look into the American Academy of Pediatrics and National Academy of Medicine recommendations last year vs. UTLA and SDUSD pronouncements. Particularly the timing of the school unions pronouncements in relation to Newsom's declaration regarding continued school closures.
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Who fuels the decisions? 73 mil listened to 1 man, a political hack. The rest it’s a mix with a high dose of experts sprinkled in. Are saying there is no political push from the “it’s a hoax””it’s not that bad””it will over by Easter” anti-vax crowd? Mistakes are made on both sides but prefer those that err on the side of protection with an eye to the overall good, or is that to lovey dovey for you?
 
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