Bad News Thread

[watfly]

No masks for kids.

Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy Children

This randomized clinical trial measured inhaled and exhaled carbon dioxide in children with and without face masks.

jamanetwork.com

Most of the complaints reported by children can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.

This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.

 

[crush]

 

[Kicker4Life]

No masks for kids.

Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy Children

This randomized clinical trial measured inhaled and exhaled carbon dioxide in children with and without face masks.

jamanetwork.com

Most of the complaints reported by children can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.

This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.

Someone needs to have this discussion with the UTLA who is mandating masks for ALL students both INDOORS and OUTDOORS while on campus. Funny, as a union representing educators they aren’t really following the science are they? So what exactly are they following?????

Shouldn’t they MANDATE that ALL teachers and staff are VACCINATED then there wouldn’t be a need for the children to wear masks.

Hope ALL classrooms have A/C cause it’s gonna be a warm Fall and masks don’t really help keep you cool.

 

[Grace T.]

Someone needs to have this discussion with the UTLA who is mandating masks for ALL students both INDOORS and OUTDOORS while on campus. Funny, as a union representing educators they aren’t really following the science are they? So what exactly are they following?????

Shouldn’t they MANDATE that ALL teachers and staff are VACCINATED then there wouldn’t be a need for the children to wear masks.

Hope ALL classrooms have A/C cause it’s gonna be a warm Fall and masks don’t really help keep you cool.

The nea at its annual meeting has listed as an action item a push for mandatory vaccination (and on top of that testing) of staff, teachers and students, medical exemptions only.

a. The under 12 at a minimum won’t have sufficient time before school starts to be fully vaccinated even if approval comes for Pfizer late summer
b. The eu label isn’t going anywhere for a beat at least
c. With the myocarditis risk in males (from the military survey) still rare but running higher than initially thought, don’t know how they’ll overcome that issue

in any case the anticipated fight is here now especially since in many blue areas kids will still need to wear masks even if fully vaxxed.

 

[crush]

HOT News is coming out of AZ!! Remember friends, HOT stands for: Honest, Open and Transparent. Also for those stuck on the Left side only mindset and a I know it all attitude, recounting votes and doing an audit are not the same. For example, let's say Crush bought 17 apples and had them delivered by Mr. Grubby. I ask my dd to recount the apples to make sure the dude delivered 17 apples. After my dd recounts them and says, "Hey pops, 17 apples are hear" I say, "thanks, have fun at the beach." Are we over? Hell no, I now have my wife audit my apples. After careful inspection of my 17 apples, my wife finds 2 plastic apples, 1 glass apple and then 2 oranges that were painted to look like Apples. After my audit, I only got 12 apples. I called my apple supplier to let him know about the heist and he is telling me to call the delivery guy or some like to call "the middleman."

 

[dad4]

The concern with schools is more about kid to kid than kid to teacher transmission.

If you refuse to think about long transmission chains and overall viral prevalence in the community, then it is not going to make sense to you.

 

[Kicker4Life]

The concern with schools is more about kid to kid than kid to teacher transmission.

If you refuse to think about long transmission chains and overall viral prevalence in the community, then it is not going to make sense to you.

Then maybe you can help me understand why UTLA is mandating anything to protect people outside of those they represent?

 

[dad4]

Then maybe you can help me understand why UTLA is mandating anything to protect people outside of those they represent?

Probably has more to do with the high prevalence of obesity among the senior teaching staff who control the union.

 

[watfly]

Someone needs to have this discussion with the UTLA who is mandating masks for ALL students both INDOORS and OUTDOORS while on campus. Funny, as a union representing educators they aren’t really following the science are they? So what exactly are they following?????

Shouldn’t they MANDATE that ALL teachers and staff are VACCINATED then there wouldn’t be a need for the children to wear masks.

Hope ALL classrooms have A/C cause it’s gonna be a warm Fall and masks don’t really help keep you cool.

LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.

Scientists highlight low risk of COVID-19 spread in schools

www.cidrap.umn.edu

"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

New Variant Found To Be Twice As Virulent And Blah Blah Blah Whatever Who Cares At This Point

U.S.—Scientists now warn that the new COVID-19 variant is, like, more contagious and also, like... other stuff about it. Some of them have brought up masks again. I’m sure you’re rapt with attention about all this.“It’s really concerning,” said some scientist named... I dunno. Who cares what his...

babylonbee.com

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Probably has more to do with the high prevalence of obesity among the senior teaching staff who control the union.

So tou do you see where I’m coming from, right?

 

[dad4]

LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.

Scientists highlight low risk of COVID-19 spread in schools

www.cidrap.umn.edu

"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

New Variant Found To Be Twice As Virulent And Blah Blah Blah Whatever Who Cares At This Point

U.S.—Scientists now warn that the new COVID-19 variant is, like, more contagious and also, like... other stuff about it. Some of them have brought up masks again. I’m sure you’re rapt with attention about all this.“It’s really concerning,” said some scientist named... I dunno. Who cares what his...

babylonbee.com

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.

We impose rules on kids because we can, not because it makes the most sense.

A vaccine mandate for 40+ would do far more than a vaccine mandate for 12-18. And, if we old folks would all get our shots, there would be less reason to talk about covid in schools.

 

[Kicker4Life]

LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.

Scientists highlight low risk of COVID-19 spread in schools

www.cidrap.umn.edu

"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

New Variant Found To Be Twice As Virulent And Blah Blah Blah Whatever Who Cares At This Point

U.S.—Scientists now warn that the new COVID-19 variant is, like, more contagious and also, like... other stuff about it. Some of them have brought up masks again. I’m sure you’re rapt with attention about all this.“It’s really concerning,” said some scientist named... I dunno. Who cares what his...

babylonbee.com

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.

I seem to recall the “More contagious, Deadlier variant” line being used a few times over the last 18 months.

 

[Kicker4Life]

We impose rules on kids because we can, not because it makes the most sense.

A vaccine mandate for 40+ would do far more than a vaccine mandate for 12-18. And, if we old folks would all get our shots, there would be less reason to talk about covid in schools.

That’s called abuse of power.

 

[espola]

LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.

Scientists highlight low risk of COVID-19 spread in schools

www.cidrap.umn.edu

"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

New Variant Found To Be Twice As Virulent And Blah Blah Blah Whatever Who Cares At This Point

U.S.—Scientists now warn that the new COVID-19 variant is, like, more contagious and also, like... other stuff about it. Some of them have brought up masks again. I’m sure you’re rapt with attention about all this.“It’s really concerning,” said some scientist named... I dunno. Who cares what his...

babylonbee.com

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.

I thought the goal was to limit as much as possible deaths due to covid.

 

[whatithink]

That’s called abuse of power.

People with/in power, "Abuse Power" shocker.

 

[watfly]

We impose rules on kids because we can, not because it makes the most sense.

A vaccine mandate for 40+ would do far more than a vaccine mandate for 12-18. And, if we old folks would all get our shots, there would be less reason to talk about covid in schools.

It used to be a community core value to put children first. Now it seems children need their own lobby because adult lobbies are putting their own interests first over our children. Not how and when this happened, but its troubling.

 

[dad4]

That’s called abuse of power.

Not too different from cities which reserve 95 acres for golf, and 45 acres for all of youth sports put together.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Decent article on base rate errors.

It treats overall exposure rate as exogenous, so take the charts with a grain of salt. The article is explicitly ignoring the possiblity that higher vaccine rates mean there is less virus floating around.

Just like you've been explicitly ignoring the virus history and statistics of the last 50 years plus AND, the PCR test the only test for genetic sequencing and not the actual presence of the virus.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

The concern with schools is more about kid to kid than kid to teacher transmission.

If you refuse to think about long transmission chains and overall viral prevalence in the community, then it is not going to make sense to you.

Makes even less sense when you explicitly ignore virus transmission over the past 50 years.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Probably has more to do with the high prevalence of obesity among the senior teaching staff who control the union.

Obesity you say?