Bad News Thread

crush said:
Hey bro, my pal seems to be a SOL. Works for small Electrical company. Hourly employee who already used up all his vacation and sick days Test negative twice but has a cough and runny nose. Owner is on his last leg and is trying to stay open. Small crew and but no one wants the sick guy around. Q How can my friend get Rona Relief? Does the owner bare any responsibility? Owner is SOL? Thanks for any help you can provide wat fly man :)
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Well because we can afford it, we pay our employees for Covid absences. At the beginning of the pandemic we reduced staffing to one person per office and cut office hours, but still paid everyone full-time even though they were working 50%. We felt a moral obligation to pay and it was also the best long term business solution (which has paid off in spades). Win/win.

As far as your buddy goes if the electrical company can't afford it then they can't do it. I have a hard time believing an electrical company is having financial problems, but I don't know their situation. Every subcontractor I know is beyond swamped with work. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the employer. If he is sick and ends up infecting other employees with Covid, those employees will probably sue the employer for not protecting them. If he is Covid negative and they are preventing him from working they are likely liable to him for wages and maybe damages. In either case, because we live in California, the employee will likely prevail since employers are consider guilty until proven innocent. They'd be smart to suck it up and pay him.

This is all uncharted territory, I don't know what the right answer is, these are just my thoughts. Your buddy should probably contact his union or labor board which is much better than listening to me.
 
watfly said:
Well because we can afford it, we pay our employees for Covid absences. At the beginning of the pandemic we reduced staffing to one person per office and cut office hours, but still paid everyone full-time even though they were working 50%. We felt a moral obligation to pay and it was also the best long term business solution (which has paid off in spades). Win/win.

As far as your buddy goes if the electrical company can't afford it then they can't do it. I have a hard time believing an electrical company is having financial problems, but I don't know their situation. Every subcontractor I know is beyond swamped with work. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the employer. If he is sick and ends up infecting other employees with Covid, those employees will probably sue the employer for not protecting them. If he is Covid negative and they are preventing him from working they are likely liable to him for wages and maybe damages. In either case, because we live in California, the employee will likely prevail since employers are consider guilty until proven innocent. They'd be smart to suck it up and pay him.

This is all uncharted territory, I don't know what the right answer is, these are just my thoughts. Your buddy should probably contact his union or labor board which is much better than listening to me.
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One man tech dude is killing it. If you have three trucks and two employees, your stuck in a rock and hard place. They started two years ago and wanted to go enterprise but the Rona came and well, he's about to close I think. The other employee quit I just found out because the sick guy, who feels better, is coming back to the crew tomorrow and Bobby is rightfully scared. Add two more to the unemployment debit card. At least folks can buy some food. and pay for internet and have a little spending money. I would NOT and I mean NOT, start a new business. I heard big bro is going to kick down a little extra for those who are SOL. Thanks for the info. You seem like a great guy to work for.
 
News leaked out this am the White House was scheduled to get the vaccine in the very first rollout and the President-Elect shortly thereafter. Ds spent much of the day attacking Trump for jumping the queue. Trump just said the White House shouldn't come first and though he'll take it eventually he isn't going to take it in the first round. Puts Biden now in an awkward place given his age and that the transition involves multiple unavoidable face to face meetings.
 
Grace T. said:
News leaked out this am the White House was scheduled to get the vaccine in the very first rollout and the President-Elect shortly thereafter. Ds spent much of the day attacking Trump for jumping the queue. Trump just said the White House shouldn't come first and though he'll take it eventually he isn't going to take it in the first round. Puts Biden now in an awkward place given his age and that the transition involves multiple unavoidable face to face meetings.
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Regardless of who is in office, I think it makes sense to have them vaccinated ASAP. They need to be out there communicating with a cross-section of people.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Regardless of who is in office, I think it makes sense to have them vaccinated ASAP. They need to be out there communicating with a cross-section of people.
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Might make sense but Biden will have to ask for a special accommodation (to jump the VP since his staff won't get it if the White House staff doesn't get it). It's an unnecessary own goal they forced. Plus Trump's already had it so this costs him nothing.
 
Grace T. said:
Might make sense but Biden will have to ask for a special accommodation (to jump the VP since his staff won't get it if the White House staff doesn't get it). It's an unnecessary own goal they forced. Plus Trump's already had it so this costs him nothing.
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T is already supposedly immune because of recovering from the disease, so this tactic comes across as selfish.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Ok, I'll do something a little easier than beds that makes the same point. Experts: Joe Biden (JB) and CDC Director Robert Redfield (R)

www.forbes.com

Biden Predicts 250,000 More Coronavirus Deaths, Urges Americans To Stay Home Over Holidays

You cannot be travelling during these holidays, as much as you want to,” the president-elect said.
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“We’re likely to lose another 250,000 people dead between now and January,” Biden said.

On Wednesday, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield projected 200,000 more coronavirus deaths in December.
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I believe this should go in the "Good News" thread, but we already have the related post above. So, Joe and Robert predicting 200K and 250K for December, and Bill stating, “In the near term, it’s bad news,” Gates went on, citing an Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model that shows the U.S. could suffer more than 200,000 additional deaths by April 1, 2021, from the virus.

I'll note that in the original story, "Redfield said the U.S. could see 450,000 deaths over the next three months" (By March 1st)

Guess we need to add Gates to "Team Reality". Grace's label of "Team Scared and Delusional" is still very much in play for Biden and Redfield.

www.forbes.com

Gates Says Next 4-6 Months Could Be ‘Worst Of Pandemic’ As Vaccine Shipments Roll Out

Gates cited a model that projects as many as 200,000 more Americans could die from Covid-19 by April 1.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I believe this should go in the "Good News" thread, but we already have the related post above. So, Joe and Robert predicting 200K and 250K for December, and Bill stating, “In the near term, it’s bad news,” Gates went on, citing an Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model that shows the U.S. could suffer more than 200,000 additional deaths by April 1, 2021, from the virus.

I'll note that in the original story, "Redfield said the U.S. could see 450,000 deaths over the next three months" (By March 1st)

Guess we need to add Gates to "Team Reality". Grace's label of "Team Scared and Delusional" is still very much in play for Biden and Redfield.

www.forbes.com

Gates Says Next 4-6 Months Could Be ‘Worst Of Pandemic’ As Vaccine Shipments Roll Out

Gates cited a model that projects as many as 200,000 more Americans could die from Covid-19 by April 1.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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Gates also said indoor dining should be closed for the next 4-6 months.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Time for an update. This is what I manually pulled (you can check these at (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html)

The average of the first 8 days projected over the whole month would give
71,335 (Daily average: 2,301)

Initial projections
Biden: 250,000 (Daily average: 8,064)
Redfield: 200,000 (Daily average: 6,452)
Me: 62,000 (Daily average: 2,000)

To reach the projections we need the following average for 12/9 - 12/31
Biden: 10,069
Redfield: 7,895
Me: 1,895

We definitely had a jump in cases after the drop before Thanksgiving. At this point, cases are still rising and more states are rising than falling - several of the coastal states at a high rate. I expect the average to increase significantly before it drops. Also, CA and NY are rising quickly and with their populations, they can drive increases when many other states are decreasing. To get to 100,000 we'd need a daily average of 3,547 the rest of the month. I'll update again after data for the 16th.

DayDailyTotalAverageProjection
12/112,6102,6102,61080,910
12/222,8855,4952,74885,173
12/332,8578,3522,78486,304
12/442,63710,9892,74785,165
12/552,19013,1792,63681,710
12/661,11114,2902,38273,832
12/771,52215,8122,25970,025
12/882,59718,4092,30171,335

Cases

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Weekly Update to predicted deaths in December.

I expect the average to continue to rise as cases rose the prior week (about 5% IIRC) and cases were rising significantly faster than that the week prior.

Current Daily Average: 2,356
Projection with current average: 73,034

Initial projections
Biden: 250,000 (Daily average: 8,064)
Redfield: 200,000 (Daily average: 6,452)
Me: 62,000 (Daily average: 2,000)

Daily average needed for the rest of the month to reach the projection
(Biden) 250K - 12,766/day
(Redfield) 200K - 9,825/day
100K - 3,942/day
80K - 2,766/day
(me) 62K - 1707/day
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Weekly Update to predicted deaths in December.

I expect the average to continue to rise as cases rose the prior week (about 5% IIRC) and cases were rising significantly faster than that the week prior.

Current Daily Average: 2,356
Projection with current average: 73,034

Initial projections
Biden: 250,000 (Daily average: 8,064)
Redfield: 200,000 (Daily average: 6,452)
Me: 62,000 (Daily average: 2,000)

Daily average needed for the rest of the month to reach the projection
(Biden) 250K - 12,766/day
(Redfield) 200K - 9,825/day
100K - 3,942/day
80K - 2,766/day
(me) 62K - 1707/day
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WHO is not dying now because were all inside? Think and use your brains everyone. Death is death. Dont be afraid of death.
 
Glitterhater said:
This is dumb, even for you. "Don't be afraid of death"? Are you volunteering?
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He does have a bit of a point. Death is part of the human condition and comes to everyone, from the moment you are born. The only thing we can do is postpone it, not stop it. Any loss of human life, is of course sad....the death of a 90 year old that's lived a long a fulfilling life should be mourned, but the loss of a child's life is an absolute tragedy. Our ancestors have had many worse diseases and it was not that long ago that children were taken regularly by small pox, measles and scarlet fever. Our technology has made us arrogant (believing that we have somehow evolved beyond the meat suit), but we haven't really changed that much as a species for the length of our recorded history.
 
Grace T. said:
He does have a bit of a point. Death is part of the human condition and comes to everyone, from the moment you are born. The only thing we can do is postpone it, not stop it. Any loss of human life, is of course sad....the death of a 90 year old that's lived a long a fulfilling life should be mourned, but the loss of a child's life is an absolute tragedy. Our ancestors have had many worse diseases and it was not that long ago that children were taken regularly by small pox, measles and scarlet fever. Our technology has made us arrogant (believing that we have somehow evolved beyond the meat suit), but we haven't really changed that much as a species for the length of our recorded history.
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And I agree with all of that. I was arguing his continual flair for the dramatic was over the top, (even for him.) There is a very good chance he will not die from COVID and he knows it.
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Glitterhater said:
This is dumb, even for you. "Don't be afraid of death"? Are you volunteering?
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Dumb and dumber is me for sure so no harm or hurt feelings from me. I'm not afraid to die and I'm even less afraid of getting the Rona as my true and only cause of death. I will say if I get attacked by a shark surfing and I die, my chance of having Rona when i die is more likely. Does that make sense?
 
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