Bad News Thread

Pfft, that's easy...400,000 fewer auto fatalities due to stay at home orders.


there are actually a few things at work in the numbers from what I’ve read:

-car deaths, accidents (more stay at home, less work travel leisure), flu (and entero adenovirus) down
-some covid has been misclassified (the percentage is hotly debated). I know at least one vc suicide death classified as covid
-there’s a delay in the reporting particularly the fall months. Hospitals are overwhelmed and the government reporting is lagging because of staffing problems. Overall (including because of the rise of heart attack, od and suicide deaths this year —again the numbers being hotly debated how much) some projections I’ve read are still predicting a rise over 2018 when all is said and done
 
South Korea looks like it's heading into lockdowns as its cases top 1000 for the first time.....


Japan is really interesting too....cases continue to increase but deaths remain relatively low......

 
Anyone notice how many college football games are being canceled and postponed?
I guess it's a matter of perspective but I'm impressed with how many games they have had considering the congregate living conditions and the carefree attitude of many college students. You honestly think many students would give up a "hookup" for fear of Covid, some maybe, but all, doubtful. Its really a minor miracle the games that have been played.
 
Yes, we had an employee that lost their taste and smell and tested negative. They still got a 10 day, paid vacation.

We follow CalOsha and CDC guidelines at a minimum. They've reduced the number of days you're required to keep the employee out of work, but I don't have the days memorized based on the circumstances of the symptoms, fevers or exposure. Our HR person does.
Hey bro, my pal seems to be a SOL. Works for small Electrical company. Hourly employee who already used up all his vacation and sick days Test negative twice but has a cough and runny nose. Owner is on his last leg and is trying to stay open. Small crew and but no one wants the sick guy around. Q How can my friend get Rona Relief? Does the owner bare any responsibility? Owner is SOL? Thanks for any help you can provide wat fly man :)
 
Hell is coming!!!!! Go figure, what is the Winter of Darkness without hell, right? I respect their boldness of the heads up and I am getting prepared for a dark and hellish winter.


New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy says despite “good news” on a COVID-19 vaccine, “the next number of weeks are going to be hell, I fear, so we’re begging with people to please, please, please don’t let your guard down even when you’re in private settings.”
 
Hell is coming!!!!! Go figure, what is the Winter of Darkness without hell, right? I respect their boldness of the heads up and I am getting prepared for a dark and hellish winter.


New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy says despite “good news” on a COVID-19 vaccine, “the next number of weeks are going to be hell, I fear, so we’re begging with people to please, please, please don’t let your guard down even when you’re in private settings.”

The HHS Secretary was on Face the Nation. Said all nursing home patients will be vaccinated by Christmas with the first dose. If true, it means if we go by deaths alone, by mid-January the emergency will be over (since nursing home patients are overall such a high number of the casualties, and the argument back to people that have argued "if you are scared so much just isolate" has always been "what about nursing home patients and health care workers that can't isolate"). If we are still on cases, this spills all the way through 2021. Truth probably somewhere in between.
 
Hey bro, my pal seems to be a SOL. Works for small Electrical company. Hourly employee who already used up all his vacation and sick days Test negative twice but has a cough and runny nose. Owner is on his last leg and is trying to stay open. Small crew and but no one wants the sick guy around. Q How can my friend get Rona Relief? Does the owner bare any responsibility? Owner is SOL? Thanks for any help you can provide wat fly man :)
Well because we can afford it, we pay our employees for Covid absences. At the beginning of the pandemic we reduced staffing to one person per office and cut office hours, but still paid everyone full-time even though they were working 50%. We felt a moral obligation to pay and it was also the best long term business solution (which has paid off in spades). Win/win.

As far as your buddy goes if the electrical company can't afford it then they can't do it. I have a hard time believing an electrical company is having financial problems, but I don't know their situation. Every subcontractor I know is beyond swamped with work. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the employer. If he is sick and ends up infecting other employees with Covid, those employees will probably sue the employer for not protecting them. If he is Covid negative and they are preventing him from working they are likely liable to him for wages and maybe damages. In either case, because we live in California, the employee will likely prevail since employers are consider guilty until proven innocent. They'd be smart to suck it up and pay him.

This is all uncharted territory, I don't know what the right answer is, these are just my thoughts. Your buddy should probably contact his union or labor board which is much better than listening to me.
 
Well because we can afford it, we pay our employees for Covid absences. At the beginning of the pandemic we reduced staffing to one person per office and cut office hours, but still paid everyone full-time even though they were working 50%. We felt a moral obligation to pay and it was also the best long term business solution (which has paid off in spades). Win/win.

As far as your buddy goes if the electrical company can't afford it then they can't do it. I have a hard time believing an electrical company is having financial problems, but I don't know their situation. Every subcontractor I know is beyond swamped with work. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the employer. If he is sick and ends up infecting other employees with Covid, those employees will probably sue the employer for not protecting them. If he is Covid negative and they are preventing him from working they are likely liable to him for wages and maybe damages. In either case, because we live in California, the employee will likely prevail since employers are consider guilty until proven innocent. They'd be smart to suck it up and pay him.

This is all uncharted territory, I don't know what the right answer is, these are just my thoughts. Your buddy should probably contact his union or labor board which is much better than listening to me.
One man tech dude is killing it. If you have three trucks and two employees, your stuck in a rock and hard place. They started two years ago and wanted to go enterprise but the Rona came and well, he's about to close I think. The other employee quit I just found out because the sick guy, who feels better, is coming back to the crew tomorrow and Bobby is rightfully scared. Add two more to the unemployment debit card. At least folks can buy some food. and pay for internet and have a little spending money. I would NOT and I mean NOT, start a new business. I heard big bro is going to kick down a little extra for those who are SOL. Thanks for the info. You seem like a great guy to work for.
 
News leaked out this am the White House was scheduled to get the vaccine in the very first rollout and the President-Elect shortly thereafter. Ds spent much of the day attacking Trump for jumping the queue. Trump just said the White House shouldn't come first and though he'll take it eventually he isn't going to take it in the first round. Puts Biden now in an awkward place given his age and that the transition involves multiple unavoidable face to face meetings.
 
News leaked out this am the White House was scheduled to get the vaccine in the very first rollout and the President-Elect shortly thereafter. Ds spent much of the day attacking Trump for jumping the queue. Trump just said the White House shouldn't come first and though he'll take it eventually he isn't going to take it in the first round. Puts Biden now in an awkward place given his age and that the transition involves multiple unavoidable face to face meetings.
Regardless of who is in office, I think it makes sense to have them vaccinated ASAP. They need to be out there communicating with a cross-section of people.
 
Regardless of who is in office, I think it makes sense to have them vaccinated ASAP. They need to be out there communicating with a cross-section of people.

Might make sense but Biden will have to ask for a special accommodation (to jump the VP since his staff won't get it if the White House staff doesn't get it). It's an unnecessary own goal they forced. Plus Trump's already had it so this costs him nothing.
 
Might make sense but Biden will have to ask for a special accommodation (to jump the VP since his staff won't get it if the White House staff doesn't get it). It's an unnecessary own goal they forced. Plus Trump's already had it so this costs him nothing.

T is already supposedly immune because of recovering from the disease, so this tactic comes across as selfish.
 
Ok, I'll do something a little easier than beds that makes the same point. Experts: Joe Biden (JB) and CDC Director Robert Redfield (R)


“We’re likely to lose another 250,000 people dead between now and January,” Biden said.

On Wednesday, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield projected 200,000 more coronavirus deaths in December.
I believe this should go in the "Good News" thread, but we already have the related post above. So, Joe and Robert predicting 200K and 250K for December, and Bill stating, “In the near term, it’s bad news,” Gates went on, citing an Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model that shows the U.S. could suffer more than 200,000 additional deaths by April 1, 2021, from the virus.

I'll note that in the original story, "Redfield said the U.S. could see 450,000 deaths over the next three months" (By March 1st)

Guess we need to add Gates to "Team Reality". Grace's label of "Team Scared and Delusional" is still very much in play for Biden and Redfield.

 
I believe this should go in the "Good News" thread, but we already have the related post above. So, Joe and Robert predicting 200K and 250K for December, and Bill stating, “In the near term, it’s bad news,” Gates went on, citing an Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model that shows the U.S. could suffer more than 200,000 additional deaths by April 1, 2021, from the virus.

I'll note that in the original story, "Redfield said the U.S. could see 450,000 deaths over the next three months" (By March 1st)

Guess we need to add Gates to "Team Reality". Grace's label of "Team Scared and Delusional" is still very much in play for Biden and Redfield.


Gates also said indoor dining should be closed for the next 4-6 months.
 
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