Bad News Thread

watfly said:
What? Wait? They only quarantined the infected people? How does that work? Is this some new technique? Why wouldn't they quarantine the healthy people?
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The new technique is called contact tracing with mandatory testing.

Contact tracing a boat is easier than contact tracing a city. And, as part of their ticket purchase, the passengers agree to be tested. No test, no ticket.

If you want to give up enough freedom to allow real contact tracing in your city, complete with mandatory testing, then cities can do this, too. Think Seoul.

If you don’t like the idea of mandatory contact tracing with mandatory testing, then maybe this idea isn’t for you.
 
watfly said:
What? Wait? They only quarantined the infected people? How does that work? Is this some new technique? Why wouldn't they quarantine the healthy people?
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They have been vaccinated, they show no symptoms, and they have not been pinged by a test.

While doing G's homework for her, I found more than one news article that stated that the reason passengers were tested at all is that it was required by the cruise's final destination island/country. There are so many different versions of the story out there that it is hard to know what the true details are.
 
Grace T. said:
They did test everyone before boarding. Yet 2 people during the cruise came out positive. Not sure why. I think it may be because they rapid tested people before boarding and then tested them on board afterwards. It's very confusing, but the way they did it at least clearly didn't work because now not only the couple but several others have to quarantine on a completely vaccinated ship.
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They only tested those who could not show a vaccine card, according to the news articles you didn't read.
 
watfly said:
My bad, we will ask our customers for proof of their polio vaccines, along with MMR etc. We're going to be real sticklers for HPV vaccine.
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I would bet most international travel does require the MMR shot. You would not want a measles or rubella outbreak onboard a cruise ship.

They absolutely would require it if the US had 10,000 rubella cases per day.
 
espola said:
They have been vaccinated, they show no symptoms, and they have not been pinged by a test.

While doing G's homework for her, I found more than one news article that stated that the reason passengers were tested at all is that it was required by the cruise's final destination island/country. There are so many different versions of the story out there that it is hard to know what the true details are.
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i have less time (and interest) than you to read through umpteen different articles on the subject (I am doing like 4 things simultaneously right now)....but I agree the reporting has been confusing and required testing for a destination would make sense for why this weird situation (where the passengers were tested before boarding) would pop up.
 
espola said:
They only tested those who could not show a vaccine card, according to the news articles you didn't read.
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that's even more funny then. The fully vaxxed cruise was on the honors system. :) That is good info....no wonder the cruise company isn't advertising that little fact on their fully vaxxed cruise. Actual useful info for a change from the espola.
 
Grace T. said:
We do get a subgroup that refuses the polio vaccine. It's how we got the California measles outbreak a few years back...because of parents refusing the vaccines for their kids....so you are going with ducking the uncomfortable question you don't want to think about?
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I guess the answer to this is yes.
 
Grace T. said:
that's even more funny then. The fully vaxxed cruise was on the honors system. :) That is good info....no wonder the cruise company isn't advertising that little fact on their fully vaxxed cruise. Actual useful info for a change from the espola.
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I didn't find any evidence of "honor system". What is your source for that?
 
Desert Hound said:
The nonsense is the crap they peddle in critical race theory. If you like the idea of creating division where there wasn't any before, the CRT is for you. But then again you just regurgitate what you are spoon fed.
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Can you be more specific in your criticism of critical race theory? What specific "nonsense" or "crap" have you found?
 
espola said:
I didn't find any evidence of "honor system". What is your source for that?
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I thought you said they tested anyone who could not show a vaccine card....so people were allowed on the ship without proof of vaccination, right? Or is there some other proof of vaccination of which I'm not aware?
 
Grace T. said:
I thought you said they tested anyone who could not show a vaccine card....so people were allowed on the ship without proof of vaccination, right? Or is there some other proof of vaccination of which I'm not aware?
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They didn't conduct the tests. They required a negative test result within 72 hours instead of a vaccine card.

That shows up in almost every news time I found.

If you insist on being ignorant, there is only so far I am willing to go to help you.
 
espola said:
They didn't conduct the tests. They required a negative test result within 72 hours instead of a vaccine card.

That shows up in almost every news time I found.

If you insist on being ignorant, there is only so far I am willing to go to help you.
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That should read "allowed a negative test result within 72 hours in lieu of a vaccine card". My edit time ran out before I could correct it.
 
espola said:
In the absence of your providing any material results, I don't know how you can "know" that.
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Kind of like you asking...hey can you provide proof the sun is hot? And I tell you step outside or google it. And then you respond well since you didn't provide the info I could have looked up...it all seems fishy or something.

Try looking up stuff. You do this song and dance all the time.
 
Grace T. said:
The news just broke last night. The AP said they were contact tracing and appropriate steps would be taken to isolate those exposed. I've been waiting for the update but haven't found exactly what they decided to do yet (who, if any one, they will isolate and how long)...seems like this took them by surprise and are still waiting to hear re guidance from authorities and the cruise line. There's a reporter from the Times on the cruise live tweeting on it, but she has nothing on it yet.

It's all very strange. Why not, if you are going to insist on both, have them present a test within 48 hours before boarding and rapid test them when they get on....why was there testing done at the boarding site, when you know a positive result could come back 24 hours later. Or did the couple get tested on ship for some reason? Odd. The reporting isn't clear.

Oh but the positive couple have been definitely put in an isolation cabin according to the Times reporter from this am. She doesn't say for how long.
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The oddest thing is that this appears to have taken them by surprise. There weren't that many possible outcomes to consider.
 
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