I think everyone who took the shots should all be awarded with a free scratch. My concern is the Vaxxers getting all mad at folks like me who took a more Holistic & Healthy approach instead of the shots. Seriously, thier should be nothing to worry about on the vaxxer side, right?
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Splitting hairs, but I don't have a strong opinion whether deaths are overcounted, I suspect they are because of the CDC's data that says most people had 2.5 comorbidities and some states admitted to counting covid positive murder victims. I do believe that kids hospitalizations are overstated as is evidenced by the study posted (wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that its the same for adults). Even if child deaths are overstated, its still a statistically irrelevant number as published (obviously not irrelevant to those that lost a child).
I actually agree with Dad4 that masks are somewhat effective, I just don't think there is compelling evidence either way in regards to masks in the real world. I firmly believe that masks have been grossly oversold in terms of their effectiveness (I still wear one in public indoor spaces). In the real world masks have limited effectiveness and I believe we've over relied on them. When your told that masks are better than vaccines etc, you are misleading the public. My biggest concern is that those that had symptoms, or known Covid, went out in public thinking their mask would protect others. Also wearing masks after vaccination sends the wrong message about vaccinations. Moving things outdoors is multi times more effective than masks. CDC's own data shows that.
I'm not going to die on the hill of mask effectiveness. I will die on the hill of having had kids back in school full time at the beginning of this school year. I will condemn that policy at every turn for all the reasons previously mentioned.
PS: I do believe that cases are likely understated, and likely materially understated.
Bruddah IZ
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"There is plenty of reliable evidence that masks" "do not come close to eliminating transmission"--Dad$
So much for behavior.
Bruddah IZ
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Ask Husker.
The big question is people with weakened immune systems.
Autoimmune and transplant patients, for example, often need to take medicine to suppress their immune systems. As a result, the vaccine may not protect them very well. They can get the shot, but their immune system doesn’t build antibodies in response. Or it builds some, but not enough.
So, you might be fine because of age and weight loss. I might be fine, because of the vaccine. But there is a category of people who are vulnerable but cannot be effectively vaccinated.
Bruddah IZ
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Fascist.
The vaccines may also be less effective (at least against the India variant) in the very old with comordibities. But that's true of flu too. It's never going to be zero.
kickingandscreaming
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I'm not worried. You being very healthy is a big deal for surviving this virus. I just want a lottery ticket
Bruddah IZ
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COVID Charts Quiz
Test your knowledge of how government interventions affected the COVID-19 pandemic.
Looks like Santa Clara wants a report form businesses of all those who got Vaxxed and those who refuse to give out their private medical information out to some office manager who is most like a "you know what." I can;t wait for more counties to follow their lead.I'm not worried. You being very healthy is a big deal for surviving this virus. I just want a lottery ticket
Office manager: hey Frances, did you get the shot bro?
France: F you loser
Office Manager: I'm telling on you. I knew you were trouble when they hired you. You're not a team player and you wont take one for the team. Here, put on this mask until you get your shots
Frances: No
Office Manager: Take it up with HR then.
Bruddah IZ
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Don't mess with Francis. He'll kill ya.
So what would your suggestion be for these people?
Should society continue to get vaccinated, mask up and socially distance in order to protect this segment of the population?
When you heard that "Masks are better than vaccines", who did you hear it from and what did you take it to mean?
Vax, mask, and distance? Yes. Close schools and businesses? No.
The difficult part is very high risk events/businesses. Square dance conventions, boomer rock concerts, cruise lines and so on.
Those may not be able to open safely without some kind of proof of vaccination. The liability costs would kill you.
kickingandscreaming
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Xi Jinping approves.
Insurance companies and their lawyers will not hold back going after someone who ignores mask or vaccination requirements and can be shown to have been the source of another person's illness. At some point not getting vaccinated is like deciding you have the right to run red lights or drive on the left side of the road because --
FREEDUMB!
Same person you heard it from, the CDC director, I took it as stated, but I took it as nonsense. When leadership continued to wear masks after they were vaccinated it also sent the message that masks are better than vaccines. Neither was honest, or helpful. We needed honesty, not theater. I hope others thought of it as nonsense, as well, however, if you said that you were labeled "Team Virus", or possibly grandma killer.
Like it or not, office places were some of the earliest known superspreader sites. The HVAC systems can be locked down pretty tight, so there is not much fresh air.
So, Frances is putting her coworkers at risk. You can deny it, or deal with it.
That's why we need Tort reform.
