I welcome anyone, including yourself, to try it. It gets scifi coocoo so long as the alternate history assumes Trump is president, the Ds and media are so hostile to him and will do everything possible (within stretched reason) to remove him and/or win the election, China initially lies about the outbreak, the US is geographically the same and the beginning of the outbreak takes the same pattern, and the US Constitution remains in place.
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I welcome anyone, including yourself, to try it. It gets scifi coocoo so long as the alternate history assumes Trump is president, the Ds and media are so hostile to him and will do everything possible (within stretched reason) to remove him and/or win the election, China initially lies about the outbreak, the US is geographically the same and the beginning of the outbreak takes the same pattern, and the US Constitution remains in place.
How about I speak for me and you speak for you? It is simpler that way.
If it’s about individual rights and individual responsibility, then fine. Let each of us own up to the responsibility half, too.
How many indoor gatherings have you been to in the last 13 months? Doesn’t matter what it was: restaurant, hotel, vodka tasting, bar visit, dinner party, casino, hotel, etc. Count everything except grocery stores, doctor visits, and your own employment.
1? 10? 100?
I know. You want to point out my one. Fair enough. What’s your number? How many indoor gatherings have you hosted or attended?
If, as I suspect, you’ve been part of over 50 indoor gatherings, then take a long look in the mirror and think about why this plague is still with us. How many people are there who had a similar number of unnecessary indoor gatherings? Why would you expect the lockdown to work when that many people ignore the advice that often?
You make it sound like indoor gatherings cause Covid, they clearly don't. They may be a source of outbreaks if you were stupid about it, but I'm betting that most transmissions occurred at home. Being indoors in public is a weak factor for catching Covid there are other much stronger factors at play. A "Stay at Home Order" was the worst imaginable response to the pandemic. It should have been a "Get out and Get Some Fresh Air and Excercise Order". Beaches, public parks and other outside public areas were closed. People were forced into their homes by clueless political decisions and fear mongering.
If you count hardware stores or general merchandise stores I'm way over 100 and the rest of my family is pretty high as well. 250+ days in the office spread out, but with no masks. Multiple outdoor social gatherings, a number of flights and a couple hotels. No Covid. Did I get lucky, maybe. Or are the odds just not very high if I wore a mask and maintained distance in public indoor spaces? Friends and family followed a similar approach, no Covid. I approached the pandemic like an adult that understands that life has risks, but is responsible for his own decisions.
If we have another pandemic of this nature (generally harmless, but potentially fatal to a small segment of the population), good luck getting the population to follow the stricter guidelines you propose. Fool me once...
Until my folks were fully vaccinated, and beginning when I went into quarantine when I fell ill and didn't want to get others ill, zero. Remember, though, not everyone has the benefit of working from home or our lovely southern California weather.
Now you....vaccination status and when please.
Again, changing the US Constitution, turning us into an island, or turning us into polite decent folks like the Japanese is not a policy prescription.
Another major source besides in home transmission that dad4 doesn't like to talk about, because it's not as convenient as let the bars and restaurants drown, is work....whether hospital, factory, farm, doctor's office, slaughterhouse, restaurant kitchen, or retail.
Ah scratch that. One of the kids just reminded me in December the plumbing broke. We vacated the house leaving the windows open so the plumbers can work....indoor gathering? He also reminds me that it was his job to go into the pharmacy to get my folks restricted meds if that counts as an indoor gathering.
So your comping the US with an island with roughly 50% of the population size.....enough said.
you’ve been stricter than I gave you credit for.
vaccine last week. signed up the second day i was eligible.
i no longer teach in classroom.
Don't leave us hanging
None of my business, but I did tell you how many times I've been to Home Depot.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Fear, loathing and intentional partisan disingenuous rhetoric is the sign of the trumpist.
So @EOTL was a Trumpist? I think what you said applies to the extremes of BOTH sides!
Are you ok? My dd had to deal with a liar Doc who treated woman and girls like shit. He also controlled the Training Center. I will complain until they say sorry dude.
Desert Hound
DA
Fact free stuff again.
Lets go to real world data.
UK has 1867 deaths per million....which is higher vs the US.
So just being curious as I always am, which policy should the US have mimicked that the UK did?
You mentioned the following:
Some things they did, which we can copy:
Isolate patients.
Restrict travel, including border closures.
Test and trace.
Mask up.
Close indoor gatherings.
Significant penalties for rule violations.
Do us a favor and look at real world data.
Desert Hound
DA
And guess who has been the biggest advocate of that here on our beloved forums?
Desert Hound
DA
Still scared? You have been vaccinated #1.
#2 I would wager you are in your late 30s or 40s which means pretty much no risk if vaccinated.
#3 Will you ditch the mask now?
Again you and dad4 are welcome to set out how your utopia might have worked out in an alternate history. @dad4 apparently has been unable to do it. You are more than welcome to. Only rule is you can't alter the hand that's dealt: China still lies, Trump was the President, Fauci was the advisor, the D Congress is impeaching, Floyd gets killed, the US Constitution is as written and you can't change the Constitution, demographics or density of the US. You can change how the participants react, but that's the key to how realistic it is.
Kettle meet pot. Partisan rhetoric, the chosen language of the elite. Trumpism, Liberal orthodoxy. Round them all up and put em in a corral.
Desert Hound
DA
HMM...what exactly were the dems/press saying for the 4 yrs of Trump?
He has his finger on the button.
He is just like Hitler.
He is a Russian stooge.
and on and on and on.
The fear and loathing on the news channels and in print was something to behold. So far from reality it was amazing to watch.
Just watching the Russian story day after day was all about INTENTIONAL partisan rhetoric.
But pretend only one side of the political side does what you claim.
An alternate history? Not my thing.
Admitting we messed up and trying to do better next time? Absolutely.
We still aren't there. The evidence was in months ago on masks and outdoor activity. It took a recall to get the left to open playgrounds. The right still won't support masks, no matter what the evidence is.