Bad News Thread
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I stopped talking about me when the two of you went ad hominem ad infinitem. I thought I made that clear.
So, if you want to assume I am/am not vaccinated, go ahead. But you will have to assume, since I have no intention of giving you fuel for your personal attacks.
In better company, I have no problem sharing that information.
Every choice (even a choice not to chose) is a choice. Sorry but not saying you are vaccinated given your prior tournament stance and your stance on vaccine passports is actually giving fuel to the fire. Your saying you are would remove that from the table. I say this because I like you and I think even though you are very risk adverse and generally wrong about the real world operations of this thing, you are generally thoughtful and have a lot of good to say.
"In better company". Ouch. You are the one, remember, keeping company with espola, NOTF and Husker and have been a fellow traveler with EOTL.
Bruddah IZ
DA
It has happened to me and my whole family. 100% infected, 100% recovered. No vaccine required. Yourʻre such a wimp.
Desert Hound
DA
The problem with your solutions is they just don't work in the real world.
For some it takes longer vs others to come to that realization.
You mentioned recently above it is the 20% or something that ruin the perfectly laid plans you have. It isn't 20% ruining it.
That is not reality.
This is reality...the public at large is done with it and has been for some time.
"Even Democratic governors and lawmakers who supported tough stay-at-home orders and business closures to stem previous COVID-19 outbreaks say they're done with that approach. It's a remarkable turnaround for governors who have said from the beginning of the pandemic that they will follow the science in their decision-making, but it's also a nod to reality: Another round of lockdown orders would likely just be ignored by a pandemic-weary public."
“I think we have a real compliance issue if we try to go back to the sort of restrictions that were in place in March and April of last year,” said Pennsylvania state Rep. Mike Zabel, a Democrat who had supported previous shutdown orders by Gov. Tom Wolf, a fellow Democrat. “I don’t think there’s any appetite for that in Pennsylvania at all.”
"public support has declined for shutting down businesses and limiting travel, according to the COVID States Project, which has surveyed public attitudes and behaviors since the pandemic began.
Desert Hound
DA
When the "experts" tell you one thing, and their very own agency has studies saying another, is exactly why there is an increasing lack of trust in these people.
Glitterhater
SILVER ELITE
I think what he/she meant was more along the lines of until someone close to the nonbelievers gets really sick- nobody is saying you can't recover from COVID, that's just foolish. But there is no denying that it does completely flatten some with no rhyme nor reason.
Glitterhater
SILVER ELITE
I am constantly amazed at the amount of dead horse beating that goes on - how?!! Isn't it exhausting??
New study finds that the cheaters are about to cheat for the last time. They want to pack the court so we have to wear a mask, take poison shots and STFU or else. Total control freaks. The freaks think they know what's best for you and me and they will do what cheaters always do, cheat their way to the top of power & control. Sellers of Souls ((SOS)) are going to be toast!!!!
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"More death, more death, more death!!!" These Corona News Network hacks are sickos and total losers. What makes people believe in fear, war, division, hate, race baiting and lying so much they speak that language? What makes people kill kids before their even hatched and then sell their organs and body parts to the highest sicko? Hearts go for big $$$ I'm told. Some evil mad scientist sickos ask for this and that so they can do whatever the hell they want to the babies body parts. Hello, time to wake the FUOJJOTC!!! keep kids isolated, keeps kids from being free, keep kids locked down with stupid mask that makes zero sense for kids to have to wear except to make them scared or fearful. I know some real smart folks who look real stupid today because they know now they got played. The Q I ask is what are you going to do about being 100% wrong and played?
Desert Hound
DA
The panic porn news industry fuels this...along with the CDC and other governing bodies.
We are looking at roughly 1 case per million doses. That is very safe. We wouldn't have Tylenol if we suspended it based on that standard.
What we do see and do is the following. If you are pregnant or have this condition or X condition do not take this medication (or check with your doctor). Why do they do that? Because no medicine/vaccine out there will not create some bad side affect with someone.
The difference is medicines/vaccines usually take years to get to the market. As such during testing they usually find out who should be careful, etc.
With the covid vax it was rushed out over the world (for good reason). We are now finding them to be VERY safe BUT certain people with certain conditions may be better of either A) not taking the vaccine or B) taking one of the other vaccines.
The press and CDC, etc are doing a disservice right now by highlighting extremely isolated cases AND talking about suspending certain vaxes.
Desert Hound
DA
And keep this in mind as well.
"The CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, shows that just for the flu vaccines given out each and every year, there are a large number of people recording significant issues.
According to the CDC, “Approximately 30,000 VAERS reports are filed annually, with 10%-15% classified as serious (resulting in permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illnesses or death).”
And yet, no self-respecting CDC member or FDA member would suggest you not take a flu vaccine. Why is the J&J different? Indeed, it appears not just to be safe, but just as safe as the annual flu vaccine, if not safer."
As I saw one doctor say, doctors prescribe hundreds of other medicines everyday that have a much higher negative side effect rate including death than the J&J vaccine. Birth control is just one. Worst case, just put a pause on the vaccination for women.
How embarrassed are our ancestors of our 2020 fear of risk. It's crazy how we have expanded government over the last few decades to limit risk to the lowest common denominator. It not only encroaches on our freedoms but it drives up the cost of everything (without a commensurate level of return) because of gross overregulation. Where in our Constitution does it say were entitled to a risk free life? Give me the facts and let me decide.
Desert Hound
DA
Your last paragraph is spot on.
Some food for thought based on San Diego County covid deaths. My apologies to Dad4 for using survival rates.
| Mortality | Survival | ||||
| Mortality | Survival | Rate | Rate | ||
| % of | Rate | Rate | of Total | of Total | |
| Population | If Infected | If Infected | Population | Population | |
| 0-9 years | 13% | 0.00% | 100.00% | 0.00% | 100.00% |
| 10-19 years | 13% | 0.01% | 99.99% | 0.00% | 100.00% |
| 20-29 years | 16% | 0.03% | 99.97% | 0.00% | 100.00% |
| 30-39 years | 15% | 0.06% | 99.94% | 0.01% | 99.99% |
| 40-49 years | 12% | 0.27% | 99.73% | 0.03% | 99.97% |
| 50-59 years | 12% | 0.87% | 99.13% | 0.08% | 99.92% |
| 0-60 Years | 80% | 0.20% | 99.80% | 0.02% | 99.98% |
| 60-69 years | 10% | 2.94% | 97.06% | 0.21% | 99.79% |
| 70-79 years | 6% | 7.72% | 92.28% | 0.43% | 99.57% |
| 80+ years | 4% | 19.29% | 80.71% | 1.34% | 98.66% |
| 0-80+ years | 100% | 1.33% | 98.67% | 0.11% | 99.89% |