Bad News Thread

dad4 said:
Just in case someone believes BIZ‘s comment on vaccines,

Michigan has had 3 vaccinated people die from covid.
Michigan has had 17,960 non-vaccinated people die from covid.

BIZ is having trouble understanding which one is the larger risk.
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This isn’t necessarily great news. 3 dead despite full vaccination isn’t going to exactly inspire confidence even though given how aggressively us counts deaths it was always likely.

lots of bad vaccine news out there. Europe says Johnson & Johnson might have same blood clot issue as az. Chinas vaccine effectiveness is low. South Africa variant might breakthrough Pfizer.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Lol! I thought you were a case guy. But thanks for showing Statspola where I got the 98% from. MI.’s alleged non-vax deaths is 2% of the cases. I can’t wait for you to post that most of the non-vax deaths were pre-vax. Then we can circle back to the efficacy of lockdowns and find what survival rate?
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Don’t blame your 98% garbage number on me.

Watfly had the right way to count risk. CFR or IFR.

CFR of 2% is bad. Think of it as an airplane: 250 people got on an airplane. 5 of them. But that’s a 98% survival rate, so it’s all ok.

”survival rate” just means you don’t want to talk about the half a million Americans who died from covid.

Probably should be using IFR anyway.
 
dad4 said:
Don’t blame your 98% garbage number on me.

Watfly had the right way to count risk. CFR or IFR.

CFR of 2% is bad. Think of it as an airplane: 250 people got on an airplane. 5 of them. But that’s a 98% survival rate, so it’s all ok.

”survival rate” just means you don’t want to talk about the half a million Americans who died from covid.

Probably should be using IFR anyway.
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He wants to talk about the human immune system, but apparently misses the fact that vaccines work by making the immune system better prepared for the targeted infection. Or maybe he is just rationalizing a fear of needles.
 
dad4 said:
CFR of 2% is bad. Think of it as an airplane: 250 people got on an airplane. 5 of them. But that’s a 98% survival rate, so it’s all ok.
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That's incredibly misleading. 250 get on a plane. 25 get sick. Odds are no one dies, but it depends on the age distribution. Hopefully 250 sick people aren't allowed on a plane.
 
dad4 said:
Don’t blame your 98% garbage number on me.
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I'm not. You posted the number of MI. deaths at 17k+ which I fact checked along with the MI. number of cases, 820K. The survival rate just is what it is

dad4 said:
Watfly had the right way to count risk. CFR or IFR.

CFR of 2% is bad. Think of it as an airplane: 250 people got on an airplane. 5 of them. But that’s a 98% survival rate, so it’s all ok.
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No, it's not okay. It just means that 5 mask didn't work. I knew you would circle back to the efficacy of mask and social distancing policies.

dad4 said:
”survival rate” just means you don’t want to talk about the half a million Americans who died from covid.
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Lol! That was your deal from the get go Mr. P-value. Your hysteria was case driven, not death driven.

dad4 said:
Probably should be using IFR anyway.
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Why? How does that change your false narrative?
 
watfly said:
That's incredibly misleading. 250 get on a plane. 25 get sick. Odds are no one dies, but it depends on the age distribution. Hopefully 250 sick people aren't allowed on a plane.
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Dad4 is stepping all over his religious beliefs in the infallibility of mask and social distancing.
 
watfly said:
I think the vast majority of citizens have moved on, the government is fooling itself if it thinks citizens are still listening to the governments' directions. Other than the most fearful, everyone else is capable of making cost/benefit decisions and can see the folly of the government mandates at this stage of the pandemic. Even the majority of the compromised understand that its there own personal behaviors that put them at the greatest risk.
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Businesses are setting policy based off government directions. People’s right to access those businesses or be employed at those businesses is solely dependent on complying with those directives. Masks, distancing and other measures are still in full force all around the world. Nothing partisan about it, just science.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Businesses are setting policy based off government directions. People’s right to access those businesses or be employed at those businesses is solely dependent on complying with those directives. Masks, distancing and other measures are still in full force all around the world. Nothing partisan about it, just science.
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Nothing like continuing to ride a dead horse. While I'm a fan of science, I'm a bigger fan of reality.
 
"However, the South American nation is primarily using the CoronaVac vaccine, made by Chinese pharma giant Sinovac, which a University of Chile study found was only 3 per cent effective after the first dose, rising to 56.5 per cent two weeks after the second."

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why nations relying on China's Covid jabs are at risk of more waves

Experts told MailOnline the spiralling crisis in Chile should send a warning to the rest of the world that Chinese-made jabs are too weak to halt the spread of the virus, even with a successful rollout.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Desert Hound said:
"However, the South American nation is primarily using the CoronaVac vaccine, made by Chinese pharma giant Sinovac, which a University of Chile study found was only 3 per cent effective after the first dose, rising to 56.5 per cent two weeks after the second."

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why nations relying on China's Covid jabs are at risk of more waves

Experts told MailOnline the spiralling crisis in Chile should send a warning to the rest of the world that Chinese-made jabs are too weak to halt the spread of the virus, even with a successful rollout.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Solves that mystery. Further points to why, unless you are going to exclude certain vaccines and make people revaccinate with Pfizer or moderna, vaccine passports will be of limited utility worldwide. China also quadruple f d the world by not being transparent about its vaccine data...first covering up the outbreak itself, then covertly buying up the Ppe, then shutting its own internal travel but letting people leave internationally and now this.
 
Fda is calling a pause in Johnson and Johnson vaccine after blood clot issue in 6 women out of some millions of doses. The pause is to do a reeval after which my guess will be they’ll say “all good” with some new protocols. But the damage will have been done by then. 40% of the marines have refused the vaccine. Just when we are reaching the end of those who absolutely want it the vaccine and getting to the more hesitant this is very bad messaging.
 
Grace T. said:
Fda is calling a pause in Johnson and Johnson vaccine after blood clot issue in 6 women out of some millions of doses. The pause is to do a reeval after which my guess will be they’ll say “all good” with some new protocols. But the damage will have been done by then. 40% of the marines have refused the vaccine. Just when we are reaching the end of those who absolutely want it the vaccine and getting to the more hesitant this is very bad messaging.
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The EUA protects big pharma from lawsuits.
 
"In the race to save lives from the novel coronavirus, the United States and Britain are winning. A stunning 47 percent of UK residents and 36 percent of US residents have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. Compare that with the European Union, where only 15 percent of the population has gotten at least one jab. "

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"Looking back, French President Emannuel Macron admits, “We didn’t shoot for the stars. That should be a lesson. We were wrong to lack ambition, to lack the madness . . . to say: ‘It’s possible, let’s do it.’ ”



nypost.com

Europe’s vax disaster shows Trump, UK’s BoJo got biggest COVID challenge right

In the race to save lives from the novel coronavirus, the United States and Britain are winning. A stunning 47 percent of UK residents and 36 percent of US residents have received at least one dose…
nypost.com nypost.com
 
I think it is concerning that Big Tech on their own are silencing certain voices based on certain topics/politics, etc.

It really isn't a good trend.

"I attended a public-policy roundtable hosted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis last month. The point was to discuss the state’s Covid policies in the months ahead. That 600,000 Americans have died with Covid-19 is evidence that the lockdowns over the past year, including significant restrictions on the lives of children, haven’t worked. Florida reopened in May and declined to shut down again. Yet age-adjusted mortality is lower in Florida than in locked-down California, and Florida’s public schools are almost all open, while California’s aren’t.

My fellow panelists—Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, Martin Kulldorff of Harvard and Scott Atlas of Stanford—and I discussed a variety of topics. One was the wisdom of requiring children to wear masks. The press asked questions, and a video of the event was posted on YouTube by local media, including Tampa’s WTSP.

But last week YouTube removed a recording of this routine policy discussion from its website. The company claimed my fellow panel members and I were trafficking in misinformation. The company said it removed the video “because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19.”

Yet the panelists are all experts, and all spoke against requiring children to wear masks. I can’t speak for my counterparts, but my reasoning was a cost-benefit analysis. The benefits of masking children are small to none; the costs are much higher."

www.wsj.com

Opinion | Masks for Children, Muzzles for Covid-19 News

In the guise of combating ‘misinformation,’ YouTube again censors scientific debate over pandemic policy.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
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