That’s a given...but how will we live is the bigger question.
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Indeed it is.
That is why for instance it is important to fight against nonsensical rules.
To fight against safety theater.
To fight for instance against masks. As I posted from the WHO, the National Institute of Health, the Euro CDC...all state they cannot actually show masks work.
Our politicians and experts are too quick to make up rules that do nothing to stop the spread of the virus but do hurt biz, education, etc.
I am not willingly going along with made up rules that infringe on my freedoms/rights.
To be honest, the time for that discussion has past. Most seniors have, by this point, been offered a vaccine.
Back the question was valid, we disagreed about how to protect seniors, not whether. Some believed that it was possible to draw a circle around seniors and keep them isolated from the virus in the community. Others believed that such a barrier is inherently leaky, and the best way to protect seniors was to reduce overall transmission.
We could look at the data to see whether anywhere managed to protect seniors without fighting the virus. It would show up on worldometer as states and countries with high cases and low deaths.
If multiple countries have high cases and low deaths, we should have done what they did.
If no one has high cases and low deaths, then the only (pre-vaccine) way to protect seniors was to fight cases.
The closest we have to "protect seniors" is Florida which took early steps to isolate nursing homes. Japan is also relatively close but they had mask mandates, curfew, lockdowns too (though less robust than Europe) and f'd the pooch when it comes to testing and vaccines. Some chose foolish policies with respect to seniors (including NY and Sweden). But pretty much everyone else was in the unsustainable lockdown boat with some exceptions (you know the ones).
That would seem to indicate that isolating nursing homes is a necessary, but not sufficient, step towards protecting seniors.
FL still had 1.6 deaths per 100 confirmed cases. Better than the US average of 1.8 deaths per 100 confirmed cases, but not by much.
This is not exactly a great case study for the virtues of “protect seniors” as our main line of defense. Is there anywhere it actually worked?
other than partially in Florida and Japan it hasn’t been tried anywhere. In Japan deaths are relatively low as well but it wasn’t a pure protect seniors approach and they did it despite screwinh up testing. Lockdowns though have been tried almost everywhere. They weren’t sustainable. The other question is what “worked means”....if it’s very low deaths in the western world pretty much only Australia nz achieved that.
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Look at the deaths per case in Florida. It’s just as bad as most of the country: 1.6 deaths per confirmed case.
There is a reason that no one tried to protect seniors by allowing millions of covid cases. It is impossible to do.
Not “impossible to do without extreme measures”. Not “impossible to do in a sustainable fashion”. Not “impossible to do without giving up my dinner parties”. Just impossible.
It can not be done. Cordons leak. If you have millions of comfirmed cases, you will have tens of thousands of deaths. There is no such thing as protecting seniors by allowing a respiratory epidemic to rage unchecked.
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Just as bad as rest of the country? So they did slightly better without torching the economy and kids like California? Better than ny that returned covid cases into nursing homes then tried to cover it up? Better right now than Michigan?
Ontario is entering a harder lockdown with people (even if vaccinated) allowed to leave their homes only for essential purposes, police empowered to stop anyone on street and to arrest if lack of cooperation, neighbors encouraged to inform on neighbors. I’m sure dad4 would heartily approve.
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Actually slightly worse than CA. But better than the national average. (Because the national average includes NY/NJ)
Considerably worse than places which actually enforced their mask and distance rules.
You can say “we’re allowing half a million seniors to die because people need jobs and we want to keep the economy open”. That is honest.
You can say “we’re allowing a half million seniors to die because we don’t want to have a police presence capable of enforcing our public health laws”. That is also honest.
But “protect seniors while allowing an uncontrolled respiratory pandemic” is just bull shit. You don’t get to say you are “protecting seniors“ at the same time you are allowing them to die.
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You're arguing against someone whose only yardstick is Covid. When has he even compared employment rates, business closures etc? If he looked at that he'd seem dramatic differences between states like California and Florida as opposed to the minor differences in Covid.
Anyone with the spine to criticize the faults on their own side deserves respect. Maher is spot on.