Bruddah IZ
DA
What was the Roosevelt's recovery rate? Is virus transmission bad?
Bad News Thread
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Bruddah IZ
DA
Assuming that they meet the definition of a vaccine you mean?
Bruddah IZ
DA
You mean because the mRNA is telling the cell to produce the spike protein in the hopes that it will produce an innate response and anti-bodies for Corona that already has several variants?
Bruddah IZ
DA
Pandemics and virus's aren't going anywhere no matter what we do. It's a good thing your immune system is designed to deal with virus's. Your immune system is tired of you thinking that a single virus is going to take down the entire human race in the absence of some type of government intervention. Your DNA is trying to think of a way to prove that it can take care of you just like has against SARs-1 and all the other virus that you've dealt with during the last 12,00 pandemics since 1978. The problem is that you don't have a background in anything but stats.
I know this is the ‘Bad News’ thread... but anyone hear a lot about ‘Super Spreader’ events recently?
Seriously, aside from reporting on possible or potential spread, this aspect of the COVID threat seems to have been minimized.
I don’t know if it is masks, social distancing, indoor vs outdoor activities, etc., but some universally adopted practices do seem to be making an impact on these types of events.
Seriously, aside from reporting on possible or potential spread, this aspect of the COVID threat seems to have been minimized.
I don’t know if it is masks, social distancing, indoor vs outdoor activities, etc., but some universally adopted practices do seem to be making an impact on these types of events.
Excellent point! My feeling is that we’ve vaccinated a very large pet of the most vulnerable (65+).
All he does is lie and the worse kinds of lies because he uses numbers to lie and when his numbers look like shit, he moves the goal post
Creepy Doc Billy Says He Knows When the World’s Coronavirus Crisis Will Be Over – Not This Year.
The Microsoft founder said the health crisis has been an “incredible tragedy,” but one bright spot has been the arrival of vaccines. “By the end of 2022 we should be basically completely back to normal,” Gates said in an interview
A picture is worth something and this little boy knows WTF is going on. "Get that crap away from me." Look at his eyes. This is insane!!!
The Microsoft founder said the health crisis has been an “incredible tragedy,” but one bright spot has been the arrival of vaccines. “By the end of 2022 we should be basically completely back to normal,” Gates said in an interview
A picture is worth something and this little boy knows WTF is going on. "Get that crap away from me." Look at his eyes. This is insane!!!
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Desert Hound
DA
80% or so of all deaths are in the 65 and older group. So yes when they are vaccinated this thing is effectively over.
Bruddah IZ
DA
He's having the goal post stump grinded down as I type this.All he does is lie and the worse kinds of lies because he uses numbers to lie and when his numbers look like shit, he moves the goal post
Bruddah IZ
DA
Speaking of Bozo's.
Bozo with poison needles is not good Brudda man, not good at all. TGIF!!! Make it a great day
To all my socal pals, the weather beginning tomorrow will be amazing and perfect the next 7 days, so go get the sun and all the Vitamin D you can fill up on. DNA Light Rays ((DLR)) is looking to share the love and the light. Trust me. Also, stop eating meat for 7 days. Fruits, Veggies and some Nuts. Water and more water. Trust me. Also, journal down all your misdeeds ((sins)) and confess to you know who. If their is a special one you betrayed or did naughty ((lie)), confess and get healed. Put all relationships on da line. Expose and purge all the toxic shit you took on over all the years and I swear you will lose weight, feel better and probably keep going on The Crush Crash Course Confession Class. True joy & happiness can only come from forgiveness and forgiving others We could have a real discussion if both sides were willing to accept the results of the research that has been done so far.
Masks work. Vaccines work. Bars and restaurants spread covid. Multi family households spread covid. Outdoor activities are far safer than indoor. Shool shutdowns are very bad for learning. Some variants are partially vaccine resistant, but we don't know how much. Unemployment is far higher in CA, lower in FL and NZ. The vast majority of negative outcomes are among the elderly.
Those are the starting points for a decent discussion. And not one of them is the least bit controversial among the people who study these things.
Masks work. Vaccines work. Bars and restaurants spread covid. Multi family households spread covid. Outdoor activities are far safer than indoor. Shool shutdowns are very bad for learning. Some variants are partially vaccine resistant, but we don't know how much. Unemployment is far higher in CA, lower in FL and NZ. The vast majority of negative outcomes are among the elderly.
Those are the starting points for a decent discussion. And not one of them is the least bit controversial among the people who study these things.
texanincali
SILVER ELITE
This is the issue though. Both sides can find research that seems to confirm their points of view. There are mask research findings that cite what you quote in here and there are others that say masks do relatively nothing. Vaccines seem to be good, yet there are 40% of people that won't be taking them until further information and data is available. About the only thing people will agree on is social distancing and outdoor gatherings are better than close contact and indoor gatherings.
What I am interested in seeing is if masks become mandated, or if those who support masks so diligently are willing to keep wearing them when Covid is basically gone (if that ever occurs). Masks have been the calling card of those who will use them as THE reason that flu has virtually been wiped out. If that is truly the case, and we have the ability to save tens of thousands of lives each year, will people continue to wear masks? It also begs the question of our doctors as to why masks haven't been used in the past to prevent flu transmission. Either they have asleep at the wheel for decades and could have prevented the millions of flu deaths, or masks really aren't the reason flu is gone. Will be interesting to see this play out.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Agreed. My primary concern is that the transmission rate is very different between different population groups and where the rate is highest, the lowest proportion of people are getting vaccinated.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
You say "masks", but you actually include social distancing and all the associated problems it causes economically and emotionally. Then you compare it to a vaccine. I can't take your argument seriously. As I have stated many times, I wear a mask when I am going to be around people, but it's a virus. People wear low-value masks and don't always wear them - including our leaders. If that's not part of the equation, you aren't living in the real world. You don't have to wear a vaccine properly and socially distance for a vaccine to work. Enjoy using math to mislead people.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Again, all the behaviors that have changed in our country and "masks" get all the credit. Cult @dad4 adds another follower.
You've forgotten the vaccine comparison came when we didn't know if any vaccine would reach 70%.
The 70% estimate is from the real world. It is 70%, as used in the real world.
Errors in fit, behavior adaptations, and so on are real concerns, but they are already baked into the 70% estimate.
Grace's point about in home transmission makes a bigger difference. The vaccine gets its full power in that setting, but masks and distance get nothing.
In some sense, it means any vaccine reduction should get counted twice. In a chain of 2 transmissions, one at home and one outside, the vaccine reduces both. So a 70% effective vaccine reduces the chain to 9% of what it would have been. (.3*.3).
Similarly, a behavior change reduction should get counted once. A 70% effective behavior change reduces the chain to 30% what it would have been.(.3*1)
In effect, a 70% effective mask is similar to a 45% effective vaccine. Not as good as J&J, but not zero, either.
Cultist Dad4 gives distance and closures some of the credit for the mild flu season. I don't think we would want to repeat those, even to get rid of the flu.
-Buzz