Academy vs. ECNL

So, listening to you means "not a gamble"? Come on MAP, even you cannot be that arrogant and conceited! It is all a gamble. Your advice is not the only way for parents to help their DD's become successful on and off the pitch. Based upon your DD's accomplishments, it is one way...but it is not the only way.

Hey advice would be to f%$k every coach possible (e.g., rec, club. odp, ynt, college, etc.) for player recommendations and to increase DD's starts/playing time. I would not call her way a gamble. It is more like prostitution.
 
Hey advice would be to f%$k every coach possible (e.g., rec, club. odp, ynt, college, etc.) for player recommendations and to increase DD's starts/playing time. I would not call her way a gamble. It is more like prostitution.

Please keep your disrespectful view of women and potential libel to yourself.
There is no place for that discussion here and I have reported this to Dom.
How dare you say something like that- shame on you and its disgusting you have a daughter and think that is ok to talk like that.
 
I am also going to say one more thing.
There are people here like MAP, NOGOAL, Espola, Abdul etc, Pugalita that have been ENORMOUS help to those of us who needed help navigating this. Their opinions matter to a lot of us.
I don't know what personal issues people have with one another but I can tell you that we need all of you to keep talking, keep posting, keep helping us navigate.
 
I don't think that anyone would be troubled much if ENCL announced: (1) no showcase fees; (2) no referee fees; (3) making clubs commit to scholarships (at least more than the rather opaque system we have now); (4) required licensing for coaches with assistance to pay for it; (5) access to scholarships for traveling expenses; (6) a day or two more of training for teams; and (7) added technical standards.

Roster issues for dual age group teams and no high school soccer are the major complaints with GDA. Not sure if US Soccer pushing for these issues really amounts to a "power play," even if you disagree with them. Perhaps misguided, but there is some thought put into it. Interesting thing I read on the GDA Powerpoint, HS soccer is still permitted until 2017-2018 without limitation and it is allowed until the 2021-2022 seasons, you just cannot play with the club GDA team during that portion of the HS season (which is otherwise generally dark for clubs now). As for rosters, I see that being a real issue unless the clubs keep rosters close to the 16 player minimum. Bubble players (development players) can also play in at least 6 GDA games while playing on other teams and eventually be promoted to full time GDA during season if it works out. I'm guessing that there will be a lot of people shooting to be a developmental player so they can get the best of both worlds until things start shaking out.

There also seems to be a tension between US Soccer's desire to push girl's soccer development and ENCL's goal of getting girls into college. There are 330+ D1 soccer teams which of course doesn't include all the D2/D3 and other teams. That is pretty low bar to shoot for when you are trying to develop a bigger pool of world class players. So as others have suggested, GDA won't be the only game in town if you want to play in college. It will probably be one of several.

I don't think that anyone would be troubled much if ENCL announced: (1) no showcase fees; (2) no referee fees; (3) making clubs commit to scholarships (at least more than the rather opaque system we have now); (4) required licensing for coaches with assistance to pay for it; (5) access to scholarships for traveling expenses; (6) a day or two more of training for teams; and (7) added technical standards.

Roster issues for dual age group teams and no high school soccer are the major complaints with GDA. Not sure if US Soccer pushing for these issues really amounts to a "power play," even if you disagree with them. Perhaps misguided, but there is some thought put into it. Interesting thing I read on the GDA Powerpoint, HS soccer is still permitted until 2017-2018 without limitation and it is allowed until the 2021-2022 seasons, you just cannot play with the club GDA team during that portion of the HS season (which is otherwise generally dark for clubs now). As for rosters, I see that being a real issue unless the clubs keep rosters close to the 16 player minimum. Bubble players (development players) can also play in at least 6 GDA games while playing on other teams and eventually be promoted to full time GDA during season if it works out. I'm guessing that there will be a lot of people shooting to be a developmental player so they can get the best of both worlds until things start shaking out.

There also seems to be a tension between US Soccer's desire to push girl's soccer development and ENCL's goal of getting girls into college. There are 330+ D1 soccer teams which of course doesn't include all the D2/D3 and other teams. That is pretty low bar to shoot for when you are trying to develop a bigger pool of world class players. So as others have suggested, GDA won't be the only game in town if you want to play in college. It will probably be one of several.

I agree. I am not against the GDA. I simply don't agree with it's implementation. However, if they are willing to make tweaks that include the issues that would have hindered my players situation then great for the girls!!
 
So, listening to you means "not a gamble"? Come on MAP, even you cannot be that arrogant and conceited! It is all a gamble. Your advice is not the only way for parents to help their DD's become successful on and off the pitch. Based upon your DD's accomplishments, it is one way...but it is not the only way.

Hey I agree Cali. There are many roads that lead to Rome. I'm not conceited and honestly I was simply trying to pay forward the help that I got navigating the process. No worries. I'll stick to the college soccer thread since that interests me a lot more these days. My only comment to you is getting your player committed is only the beginning. If she actually cares about playing then there is quite a bit more advice out there that hopefully you or her get somewhere. Even though the ACC is having a less than dominant year it is still quite a task to get on the pitch.

Good luck to your daughter.
 
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I am also going to say one more thing.
There are people here like MAP, NOGOAL, Espola, Abdul etc, Pugalita that have been ENORMOUS help to those of us who needed help navigating this. Their opinions matter to a lot of us.
I don't know what personal issues people have with one another but I can tell you that we need all of you to keep talking, keep posting, keep helping us navigate.
Agreed...I also recall "Mongo" sharing very good, info. And while i agree with only 50%, ah, make that 30% of Zoro shared experience.....the university statistics info he shares definitely Of value for those in the recruiting/college selection process.

Point is, keep on keeping on.
 
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Hey advice would be to f%$k every coach possible (e.g., rec, club. odp, ynt, college, etc.) for player recommendations and to increase DD's starts/playing time. I would not call her way a gamble. It is more like prostitution.
How is this guy still on these boards? Can't somebody ban him?
 
Hey advice would be to f%$k every coach possible (e.g., rec, club. odp, ynt, college, etc.) for player recommendations and to increase DD's starts/playing time. I would not call her way a gamble. It is more like prostitution.
This is your second offense, your next one will get you a Time Out for 2 weeks. All IPs associated with your username will be blocked from this site.
 
How is this guy still on these boards? Can't somebody ban him?

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Hey I agree Cali. There are many roads that lead to Rome. I'm not conceited and honestly I was simply trying to pay forward the help that I got navigating the process. No worries. I'll stick to the college soccer thread since that interests me a lot more these days. My only comment to you is getting your player committed is only the beginning. If she actually cares about playing then there is quite a bit more advice out there that hopefully you or her get somewhere. Even though the ACC is having a less than dominant year it is still quite a task to get on the pitch.

Good luck to your daughter.

Although I disagree with most MAP points of view, I like his arguments and people can read all opinions and decide for themselves. The problem with this DA thread is that we have already discussed all possible angles many times over. I think that moving forward, and until DA starts or the DA teams begin to be formed, the more interesting discussion is what ECNL is going to do in SoCal. For example, there is a very interesting thread going on in a Florida forum about this. It seems that ECNL is expanding massively in Florida, probably with the intention of kicking out existing weak ECNL clubs that took on DA. Any insight on what will happen in SoCal?
 
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Although I disagree with most MAP points of view, I like his arguments and people can read all opinions and decide for themselves. The problem with this DA thread is that we have already discussed all possible angles many times over. I think that moving forward, and until DA starts or the DA teams begin to be formed, the more interesting discussion is what ECNL is going to do in SoCal. For example, there is a very interesting thread going on in a Florida forum about this. It seems that ECNL is expanding massively in Florida, probably with the intention of kicking out existing weak ECNL clubs that took on DA. Any insight on what will happen in SoCal?
The bigger question is what clubs will ECNL add that isn't already ECNL or DA affiliated in SoCal?
 
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The bigger question is what clubs will ECNL add that isn't already ECNL or DA affiliated in SoCal?
Yes, that is part of what I meant. Is ECNL going to take in new clubs in SoCal? Will some ECNL clubs be kicked out? Will some DA clubs only become ECNL as well? I think all this will be very interesting.
 
Yes, that is part of what I meant. Is ECNL going to take in new clubs in SoCal? Will some ECNL clubs be kicked out? Will some DA clubs only become ECNL as well? I think all this will be very interesting.

This is the type of thing that directly affects a lot of us. It's completely confusing because the ECNL seasons ends in May. The DA doesn't start until fall. I am sure many people who are elite will already know sometime soon they will be on the 03/04 DA but what about the rest of us minions?:)
Where do we try out? When?
No one is saying a word .
Many people are choosing clubs based on who has DA AND ECNL.
 
This is the type of thing that directly affects a lot of us. It's completely confusing because the ECNL seasons ends in May. The DA doesn't start until fall. I am sure many people who are elite will already know sometime soon they will be on the 03/04 DA but what about the rest of us minions?:)
Where do we try out? When?
No one is saying a word .
Many people are choosing clubs based on who has DA AND ECNL.

You are assuming that the DA programs know how it will work. While the GDA will not affect my dd (she is not at that level), I am interested in how players will get to those teams. The programs that have both GDA and ECNL will likely promote from within and recruit like crazy. Those that have GDA but no ECNL will obviously promote from within and recruit too. However, LA Premier and Pats do not have "elite" girls teams at this time, but with GDA now, they will find new customers.

ECNL adding more teams in So Cal to try and combat GDA will be an interesting thing to watch develop (if true).

Last point, I strongly encourage MAP, NG, Pulguita, Mbeach, etc. to continue posting with their knowledge and experiences. It helps me for sure.
 
This is the type of thing that directly affects a lot of us. It's completely confusing because the ECNL seasons ends in May. The DA doesn't start until fall. I am sure many people who are elite will already know sometime soon they will be on the 03/04 DA but what about the rest of us minions?:)
Where do we try out? When?
No one is saying a word .
Many people are choosing clubs based on who has DA AND ECNL.
Some of us minions may wait and ride this next year out on an ECNL team until the clubs get there act together and there is an idea of what your getting into. Playing time and developement are still our focus. As my DD will just be starting HS next year. Better to sign with the Devil you know then the Devil noone knows.
 
I am going to take a wait and see approach with GDA. My DD was on a B team for her first 5 years of Club. She was able to develop a love for the game and her skill without the overt pressure of winning. Moved to a top team when the time came that she wanted to compete at a higher level. ECNL was and is still good for her. Things worked out well for her. Taking the same approach with my younger. And my dd isn't a fan of HS. Just my experience.
 
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