5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

dad4 said:
So, what do you say is true? Who is saying what, when, which league, and how often?

I've told you what I see and hear. Very little, usually under the breath. And carded often enough to catch kids who make a habit of it. Much like the low level game I reffed this morning. That was yellow just for a taunt.

What do you see and hear? Specifics. If it is one game in ten, say so. If it is every game, say that. Don't forget to name the league, region, and level.
Time to put up or shut up. If this is actually happening in a significant way, let's hear about it.
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The point is you went from it doesn’t happen to “very little”. If it’s very little that also excludes the times you didn’t hear it. “Carded often enough” means sometimes it’s not carded. But it happens enough that both you and random have heard it even in the socialist utopia of NorCal. You’re left with either use the hammer or “I don’t care…let me tell you why it isn’t a big deal”. If it’s the latter that’s wrong. And I told you that’s where you would wind up.
 
And again.

Here's what you said.

dad4 said:
The hammer already exists. Try using that term on the pitch in NorCal. We’ve got no problem at all showing a red card and watching the dad walk his kid to the car.

At that point, the dad has two choices. He can teach his kid not to pick fights, or he can find another league.

It works, and it's better than your solution. You suspect that some boys are going to mistreat someone. Instead of dealing with the misbehavior if and when it happens or finding a better behaved group of boys, you choose to stomp all over the rights of a completely unrelated group of girls.
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When called on it, you tried to change the terms. Doesn't work in debate, doesn't work here, and doesn't make you seem anything other than either intentionally or unintentionally wrong.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
And again.

Here's what you said.



When called on it, you tried to change the terms. Doesn't work in debate, doesn't work here, and doesn't make you seem anything other than either intentionally or unintentionally wrong.
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You want tape. Ok.

"The hammer already exists. Try using that term on the pitch in NorCal. We’ve got no problem at all showing a red card and watching the dad walk his kid to the car."

All of that is still true. We do issue red cards for slurs. We do not mind sending a dad back to the car after his son is ejected. All true.

Now, does the foul mouthed kid get his red card in game #1 or game #4? I never promised. Depends on his luck.

So, I ask again. What are you hearing, how many teams, and in which league?
 
Grace T. said:
1. I told you my preferred solution is separate teams where feasible.
2. None of the solutions here are perfect. I just pointed out the issue with dad4s in that it requires overriding free speech and massive bullying control including on the way people want to raise their kids
3. My objection is when people’s preferred solution is when picking which flawed solution to use the one they go to is let’s screw the trans kid. You should care about the safety and opportunity to play of ALL kids and if you don’t that might just mean something else is motivating you
4. I didn’t mean slobis actual kids. In fact I doubt very much his kids support his bigotry. But in this hypothetical world where a bigot like slobi had kids that mirrored his views dad 4s solution would require their reeducation or expulsion which I object to
5. In fairness slobi did say his wife and kids support his views but I agree we have no way of knowing if that actually true
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"Now, you can say well they are mentally ill, and we shouldn't be forced to buy into their delusions, and they deserve what they get, but then the reality is you are just refusing to provide a place the player feels safe playing in. You are saying you don't care."

Um... so we're supposed to ignore the safety of 15 real females on the team for your one boy pretending to be? Got it.

"I didn’t mean slobis actual kids. In fact I doubt very much his kids support his bigotry. But in this hypothetical world where a bigot like slobi had kids that mirrored his views dad 4s solution would require their reeducation or expulsion which I object to"

So calling boys "boys" and girls "girls" makes me a bigot? Or does bigotry stem from not protecting real females from physically superior males when they sign up to play in a female league?
 
Grace T. said:
Again I didn’t mean his actual kids but his hypothetical ones (we don’t even know if he has kids plural). Reason why is because under dad4’s “force everyone to be nice” solution it requires taking certain parenting choices away from people, and my objection is no….people (even slobi) should be free to raise their kids how they want…I’m a free speech absolutist. But point taken if you find it distracting.
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Please respect my offspring. They aren't "kids". Their pronouns are "Windex" and "gorgonzola".
 
Slobodan said:
"Now, you can say well they are mentally ill, and we shouldn't be forced to buy into their delusions, and they deserve what they get, but then the reality is you are just refusing to provide a place the player feels safe playing in. You are saying you don't care."

Um... so we're supposed to ignore the safety of 15 real females on the team for your one boy pretending to be? Got it.
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Nope. The first question is are you already ignoring safety by not having weight limitations, age and ped screenings in your sport…do we care or is this a pretext. The second question is ok if it’s not safe to have that mtf play on the girls team is there somewhere else safe you have for them to play on where there’s a level playing field and you don’t subject them to the slobis of the world. The third question is if a youth if involves balancing the relative harms and incentives. As I said I care about ALL the youth. ALL the athletes. The difference between us is you are prepared to throw one group under the bus because you don’t like them because you are a bigot.
 
Slobodan said:
Please respect my offspring. They aren't "kids". Their pronouns are "Windex" and "gorgonzola".
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Your hypothetical offspring identify as window cleaner and cheese? Ok. After all it’s a hypothetical world where everywhere is San Francisco and bullying has magically disappeared. Or do your actual offspring so identify? In which case…do they know?
 
dad4 said:
You want me to believe that when San Juan plays Mustang, it's a constant stream of f bombs and racial slurs.

Bull crap. Been there. That's not what you hear.

I just reffed a game where the center gave a yellow for simple taunting. No swearing. No slur. Just a taunt. But it was a lopsided game and he didn't want retaliation, so he came down hard. The other AR and I both agreed it was the right call.

That's normal around here. Not sure where you're finding games full of racial slurs, unless you're embellishing the truth to make your point
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My kids had me around youth (club) soccer for 15 years... including San Juan and Mustang. Not once have I heard a racial slur.

Now, in high school, I was a white goalkeeper playing with 80% Mexicans kids. "pinche blanco" was thrown around like give-and-goes.
 
dad4 said:
You want tape. Ok.

"The hammer already exists. Try using that term on the pitch in NorCal. We’ve got no problem at all showing a red card and watching the dad walk his kid to the car."

All of that is still true. We do issue red cards for slurs. We do not mind sending a dad back to the car after his son is ejected. All true.

Now, does the foul mouthed kid get his red card in game #1 or game #4? I never promised. Depends on his luck.

So, I ask again. What are you hearing, how many teams, and in which league?
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“I never promised. Depends on his luck”

We’ve now hit the “let me tell you why this is a good thing” part of the negotiation.
 
Grace T. said:
Nope. The first question is are you already ignoring safety by not having weight limitations, age and ped screenings in your sport…do we care or is this a pretext. The second question is ok if it’s not safe to have that mtf play on the girls team is there somewhere else safe you have for them to play on where there’s a level playing field and you don’t subject them to the slobis of the world. The third question is if a youth if involves balancing the relative harms and incentives. As I said I care about ALL the youth. ALL the athletes. The difference between us is you are prepared to throw one group under the bus because you don’t like them because you are a bigot.
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Huh? My God you ramble. If you cared about ALL the athletes, you wouldn't let boys play in a girl's league. If girls want to play against boys, they can play co-ed or tryout for a boy's team. The only bus here is the one I'm sure every man you've ever dated took to get away from you.
 
Slobodan said:
"Now, you can say well they are mentally ill, and we shouldn't be forced to buy into their delusions, and they deserve what they get, but then the reality is you are just refusing to provide a place the player feels safe playing in. You are saying you don't care."

Um... so we're supposed to ignore the safety of 15 real females on the team for your one boy pretending to be? Got it.

"I didn’t mean slobis actual kids. In fact I doubt very much his kids support his bigotry. But in this hypothetical world where a bigot like slobi had kids that mirrored his views dad 4s solution would require their reeducation or expulsion which I object to"

So calling boys "boys" and girls "girls" makes me a bigot? Or does bigotry stem from not protecting real females from physically superior males when they sign up to play in a female league?
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You used a slur to begin this conversation. You continued to use it despite being called out on it. You then said you could “target” a youth on the field instead of forfeit. You then said you reserved the right to ask a trans person minding their business to leave and if they didn’t you’d beat them up. Your bigotry is self evident.
 
Grace T. said:
Your hypothetical offspring identify as window cleaner and cheese? Ok. After all it’s a hypothetical world where everywhere is San Francisco and bullying has magically disappeared. Or do your actual offspring so identify? In which case…do they know?
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My girls know there isn't a single person that gives a rat's ass what their pronouns are. I hope they never beg for that much attention.

San Francisco has become a cesspool because of the ongoing leadership, or lack thereof, and won't change until sanity becomes chic again.
 
Slobodan said:
Huh? My God you ramble. If you cared about ALL the athletes, you wouldn't let boys play in a girl's league. If girls want to play against boys, they can play co-ed or tryout for a boy's team. The only bus here is the one I'm sure every man you've ever dated took to get away from you.
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At least they were real men…….

Again let’s see it tough guy. Report back.
 
Slobodan said:
My girls know there isn't a single person that gives a rat's ass what their pronouns are. I hope they never beg for that much attention.

San Francisco has become a cesspool because of the ongoing leadership, or lack thereof, and won't change until sanity becomes chic again.
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As stated dad4s solution would necessitate their “reeducation” away from your influence, which I oppose on the grounds you have the right to parent how you want, no matter how bigoted you may be.
 
Grace T. said:
You used a slur to begin this conversation. You continued to use it despite being called out on it. You then said you could “target” a youth on the field instead of forfeit. You then said you reserved the right to ask a trans person minding their business to leave and if they didn’t you’d beat them up. Your bigotry is self evident.
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You really can't quote someone correctly, can you? I never said I would target a child. I never said I would beat up a tranny. Since you've been sitting here waiting for me to show up, I'll wait a little longer. I DARE you to go find that quote and put it right here. I'll wait.

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Slobodan said:
You really can't quote someone correctly, can you? I never said I would target a child. I never said I would beat up a tranny. Since you've been sitting here waiting for me to show up, I'll wait a little longer. I DARE you to go find that quote and put it right here. I'll wait.

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You used the word “target”. It’s there. You can’t gaslight me otherwise. I’m not Winston.
 
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