5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

Veritas said:
This is the result of the Obama administration... Just look at the proportionality sky rocket after 2010...Numbers do not lie...



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I think kicking and screaming's explanation makes more sense. Just normal confused kids who were offered an identity when they needed guidance.

Putting estrogen mimics in their baby bottles didn't help, either. If it was that, we'll see numbers slip over the next few years. BP-A was banned in 2012.
 
dad4 said:
I think kicking and screaming's explanation makes more sense. Just normal confused kids who were offered an identity when they needed guidance.

Putting estrogen mimics in their baby bottles didn't help, either. If it was that, we'll see numbers slip over the next few years. BP-A was banned in 2012.
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Actually the other change was the advisory board overseeing treatment of trans individuals was captured by radical progressives. It used to be that you would be considered "trans" only if you underwent medical procedures. You could only change your documents, have some protections using the opposite restroom, and play in the opposite sports teams if you underwent medical procedures (which required multiple psych screenings) and were issued a medical card.

During the Obama admin, radical progressives (claiming the "Obama moment") captured that board and buried the guardrails. In some states like California, for example, they brought up the "X" gender option and made it easier to change your documents or even obtain hormones (used to be difficult which is where I got my intro to this issue...doing legal aid). They also made it easier for youngers to transition and get access to hormone blockers. So previously, trans individuals consisted of mostly gay-oriented individuals who knew from a very early age something was medically wrong with them. This change opened the door to others to be considered "trans" (called "self-ID" in the community) including this new idea that gender isn't binary (which is an anathema to the previous medical trans people). Besides non-binaries, it swept in a lot of what JD Vance calls "autogynopheliacs"-- what we used to call cross dressers or transvestites -- who have a fetish about fantasizing about becoming women and get a sexual kick out of it but who don't have an interest in medically transitioning (it removes the thrill) or maybe are miscounseled to go for a transition. So the LGBTQ community somewhat did this to themselves by allowing the radical progressives to capture the agenda. I've been reading some of the work of a columnist/podcaster called Brianna Wu who's been talking about this. She's on twitter if anyone is genuinely interested.

As I've written there is a bargain to be made here (it might even be the biological one which some of you want, but I don't think you'll like it in sports...the equality principle would be on the chopping block and it would relegate women's sports to a permanent lesser position). But it's never going to happen as long as progressives are enamored with gender is fluid and force everyone to use pronouns and some on the right would be o.k. with beating up the trans individuals and would never use a reverse pronoun even as a courtesy. There's no peace there, and given how closely the country is divided, no victory for either extreme. You see this too in the reaction to Wu's twitter: she gets it from both the left and right calling to literally hang her.
 
From what I read from neutral sites, Banda is legally a women, didn't have any type of meds or surgery, but has a much higher level of Testosterone. The level was legal for the Olympics, but not CAF limits. Everyone has levels of Testosterone. Women usually between 15 and 70, men between 300 and 1000.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
If you think it through, you’ll realize there’s no such thing as a “trans kid”. Just typical confused kids trying to make sense of the world and their place in it. They are having “trans” offered up as a solution and as an identity - one that is celebrated and gets special treatment. Any time you hear “trans kid”, you need to think, “misguided adult”. And, “misguided” is the most generous word that can be used to describe the adults.
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I don't doubt this is true for many cases, but I can vouch for the fact, that its not true in all cases. We need guardrails and medical protocols to sort out the difference.
 
watfly said:
Vouch for the fact that there are genuine transgenders that are not influenced by adults, outside factors or that it's just a phase.
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My couz. She's an earlieish transitioner (20s as soon as had the cash), never has regretted it, never was a fetisher, thinks gender is binary, Republican friend of Caitlyn
 
Veritas said:
No doubt this is a man. Or this has got to be one of the manliest woman I have ever seen referring to Banda... Geez... Banda and Chawinga both men imo. Chawinga below. Both leading the league in scoring... Very unfair to biological women
Veritas said:
No doubt this is a man. Or this has got to be one of the manliest woman I have ever seen referring to Banda... Geez... Banda and Chawinga both men imo. Chawinga below. Both leading the league in scoring... Very unfair to biological wom
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Temwa and her sister Tabitha Chawinga are very masculine ladies. You can find the story where Temwa was asked to strip during a game and prove she was a lady here: https://www.businessinsider.com/elite-soccer-star-tabitha-chawinga-made-strip-prove-female-2021-8.

I'm thinking it's a condition that runs in their family but what do I know.
 
Grace T. said:
My couz. She's an earlieish transitioner (20s as soon as had the cash), never has regretted it, never was a fetisher, thinks gender is binary, Republican friend of Caitlyn
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"Caitlyn" is Bruce not wanting to go to a men's prison for vehicular manslaughter.

Then again, Bruce became a woman to date another dude that became a woman. That makes the Kardashian family seem sane.
 
Slobodan said:
"Caitlyn" is Bruce not wanting to go to a men's prison for vehicular manslaughter.

Then again, Bruce became a woman to date another dude that became a woman. That makes the Kardashian family seem sane.
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I don’t know about that. Aren’t you guys really fussy about that thing? I mean it’s the one piece of your body that soccer players seem to cover up in a wall but ball to the face…dudes good with that?? One of you guys would really have no problem cutting it off to go to a woman’s prison for something that isn’t a life sentence??? From the same people that used to tell me as a teen that if they didn’t use it the thing is so fragile it will explode?????? There was a recent snl skit with Arianna grande that was hilarious “Yes, Keenan”.
 
Grace T. said:
I don’t know about that. Aren’t you guys really fussy about that thing? I mean it’s the one piece of your body that soccer players seem to cover up in a wall but ball to the face…dudes good with that?? One of you guys would really have no problem cutting it off to go to a woman’s prison for something that isn’t a life sentence??? From the same people that used to tell me as a teen that if they didn’t use it the thing is so fragile it will explode?????? There was a recent snl skit with Arianna grande that was hilarious “Yes, Keenan”.
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I wouldn't cut it off for a women's prison but what the Hell else could possibly be the reason? Unless he's just gay and can't come to grips with it. He spent 60 years being a man with children. Now he puts on a dress and has sex with another man in a dress. Freud would have kicked his ass off the couch and said, "don't worry about the payment."
 
watfly said:
Vouch for the fact that there are genuine transgenders that are not influenced by adults, outside factors or that it's just a phase.
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From the ultimate source - the internet: A transgender person is someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth.

I believe it is a fact that people believe they are transgender. The determination is wholly internal to the individual. Neither one of us can prove or disprove the effect of outside factors. I'd argue there are always outside factors that push in both directions. We don't know if it's a phase until it goes on for a significant period, and I am sure there are people who have believed they have been transgender for many years.
 
socalkdg said:
From what I read from neutral sites, Banda is legally a women, didn't have any type of meds or surgery, but has a much higher level of Testosterone. The level was legal for the Olympics, but not CAF limits. Everyone has levels of Testosterone. Women usually between 15 and 70, men between 300 and 1000.
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All true. She is legally a woman, and has naturally high testosterone levels due to her natural Y chromosome.

If she were XX, she'd have had a verified cheek swab test done years ago, just to make everyone shut up about it.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
From the ultimate source - the internet: A transgender person is someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth.

I believe it is a fact that people believe they are transgender. The determination is wholly internal to the individual. Neither one of us can prove or disprove the effect of outside factors. I'd argue there are always outside factors that push in both directions. We don't know if it's a phase until it goes on for a significant period, and I am sure there are people who have believed they have been transgender for many years.
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We all have different life experiences. Based on my experience I know this isnt entirely true. Maybe some day you will meet a transgender that will dispel your theory, or maybe not. People used to say a similar thing about gays.

All that having been said, "a person born in the wrong body" for lack of a better term, is incredibly rare and should be treated as such. Transitioning should be the remedy of last resort after everything else has been tried. Instead of the default treatment for anyone that is questioning their gender, which seems like is happening in some cases. Im certainly not an expert, but it seems to me that an appropriate period of social transitioning should occur before medical transition.
 
watfly said:
We all have different life experiences. Based on my experience I know this isnt entirely true. Maybe some day you will meet a transgender that will dispel your theory, or maybe not. People used to say a similar thing about gays.

All that having been said, "a person born in the wrong body" for lack of a better term, is incredibly rare and should be treated as such. Transitioning should be the remedy of last resort after everything else has been tried. Instead of the default treatment for anyone that is questioning their gender, which seems like is happening in some cases. Im certainly not an expert, but it seems to me that an appropriate period of social transitioning should occur before medical transition.
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This used to be the requirement. As I wrote above it changed circa 2010-12 when the board overseeing the standards of care got captured by progressives. They implemented numerous reforms including removing many guardrails and it marked a shift in the cw over ideas like gender is binary, nonbinary and gender fluid, medical id v self id (including those fka transvestites), transition should be rare, and youth transitions should be restricted.
 
watfly said:
We all have different life experiences. Based on my experience I know this isnt entirely true. Maybe some day you will meet a transgender that will dispel your theory, or maybe not. People used to say a similar thing about gays.

All that having been said, "a person born in the wrong body" for lack of a better term, is incredibly rare and should be treated as such. Transitioning should be the remedy of last resort after everything else has been tried. Instead of the default treatment for anyone that is questioning their gender, which seems like is happening in some cases. Im certainly not an expert, but it seems to me that an appropriate period of social transitioning should occur before medical transition.
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My “theory” is that way too many children that, at one time, identify as “trans”, later decide otherwise. So, any chemical or surgical transitioning of children should be illegal. These are irreversible procedures that should not be performed on minors. That’s why I say there are no “trans” kids. If they still feel that way at 18, the decision is theirs.
 
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