5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

Slobodan said:
What do you suggest that's a better alternative? If you're a FTM, go use the men's bathroom. You aren't fooling anybody but good luck getting that one stall. That's why you need a stall... because you're not a male. And my daughter isn't in that bathroom anyway. You want to lift your leg in the boy's urinal, have at it, because I'll be in there with my son.

Are we supposed to just be okay with Hulk Hogan walking into the women's bathroom because he's wearing a skirt and carrying a purse? I'm talking about a grown ass man, that's clearly a man, pretending to be a woman. And I guess all of you miss the part about being given the opportunity to walk out peacefully. Sorry... FTM rarely fool anybody. You're just a female wearing flannel and a short haircut.
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What you fail to acknowledge, maybe because you've been sheltered from it, is that not all transgenders look like a man in a skirt, or a woman with a buzzcut.
 
Slobodan said:
What do you suggest that's a better alternative? If you're a FTM, go use the men's bathroom. You aren't fooling anybody but good luck getting that one stall. That's why you need a stall... because you're not a male. And my daughter isn't in that bathroom anyway. You want to lift your leg in the boy's urinal, have at it, because I'll be in there with my son.

Are we supposed to just be okay with Hulk Hogan walking into the women's bathroom because he's wearing a skirt and carrying a purse? I'm talking about a grown ass man, that's clearly a man, pretending to be a woman. And I guess all of you miss the part about being given the opportunity to walk out peacefully. Sorry... FTM rarely fool anybody. You're just a female wearing flannel and a short haircut.
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Tell watty were talking about someone like Laurel going into our daughter's restroom. Olympic women's champ!!

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watfly said:
What you fail to acknowledge, maybe because you've been sheltered from it, is that not all transgenders look like a man in a skirt, or a woman with a buzzcut.
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That's true and if they look like a girl, they will sneak in, and no one will notice and me and Slobo won't demand she/He/they to get the fuck out of the girl's bathroom when our daughters ar in there. Come on dude. Did someone enter your body & mind today?

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Slobodan said:
You vomited that already. You're the one that implied I planned to target some sub 18-year old boy in lipstick. That's your imagination.

Aggravated condition? LMAO! Good luck with that in court. Dirty players receive their just desserts everyday. That's how it should be.

I'll repeat myself again for you: If a man walks into a female bathroom, whether my daughter is in there or not, he's going to be given 1 chance to immediately walk out under HIS own power. If he chooses not to, he's leaving against his will or he'll leave when he regains consciousness. Men don't belong in the women's restroom. If you can't grasp that, the problem is you... not me or millions of other men & women that would do the same thing.
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Again you used the word target. Not me.

I wrote in the first thread we have a cousin in the family who is mtf and has been post surgical now for decades. Transitioned when very young. Very passable but you can still see it if you take a moment to examine. Nicest person. A horse vet and comes to a lot of the cousins soccer games so is at Del Mar, silverlakes and Galway with some frequency. I would give you most assurances that she will not leave the rest room if you demand it of her. I wouldn’t be shocked if you two have already crossed. And I would give you the most sincere assurances if you were to try anything that my former Ausa elder brother would do his darndest to not only make sure the book is thrown at you but to financially ruin you (btw you’ve provided a long line of evidence already as to your true motivations).

Have seen quite a lot in these forums. But targeting a minor and threatening to beat up people in the restroom peacefully going about their business is quite something. You aren’t one of the good guys here.
 
Grace T. said:
Again you used the word target. Not me.

I wrote in the first thread we have a cousin in the family who is mtf and has been post surgical now for decades. Transitioned when very young. Very passable but you can still see it if you take a moment to examine. Nicest person. A horse vet and comes to a lot of the cousins soccer games so is at Del Mar, silverlakes and Galway with some frequency. I would give you most assurances that she will not leave the rest room if you demand it of her. I wouldn’t be shocked if you two have already crossed. And I would give you the most sincere assurances if you were to try anything that my former Ausa elder brother would do his darndest to not only make sure the book is thrown at you but to financially ruin you (btw you’ve provided a long line of evidence already as to your true motivations).

Have seen quite a lot in these forums. But targeting a minor and threatening to beat up people in the restroom peacefully going about their business is quite something. You aren’t one of the good guys here.
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I'm not talking about post surgical or requiring exams. I'm talking about pedophiles and sicko men that suddenly get an all access pass to everything because society has lost its collective mind and say anyone can use any bathroom or gym they feel suitable that day. Because in 2024 you're evil if you say men don't menstruate or get pregnant. 5 years ago, and 5 years from now, society is going to think those words were only uttered by absolute morons.

Keep lying about the targeting. You typing novel after novel doesn't make something true. But you go ahead and quote me where I said I'd be targeting a minor. I guess you're now okay with men just walking into the bathroom and locker rooms while you're in there, right?
 
Grace T. said:
Have seen quite a lot in these forums. But targeting a minor and threatening to beat up people in the restroom peacefully going about their business is quite something. You aren’t one of the good guys here.
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Peaceful my ass. How peaceful was it for this girl Grace? Man, your off the rocker today and so is Watty.

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a northern Virginia school system, saying the district failed to adequately investigate and tried to cover up her sexual assault by a male student in a high school bathroom.

The details of the 2021 assault — the attacker was wearing a skirt in a women’s bathroom — made it a flashpoint in the national debate over allowing transgender students to use bathrooms, play sports and go by names and gender pronouns that reflect their gender identity.
 
Slobodan said:
So I'll ask again. What do you suggest?
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It’s very simple. You have such strong moral objections bench your daughter, if you can get others to join you forfeit, and if your team or club supports you take the sanctions

If you have your objections in the bathroom leave and find another one.

Slobodan said:
I'm not talking about post surgical or requiring exams. I'm talking about pedophiles and sicko men that suddenly get an all access pass to everything because society has lost its collective mind and say anyone can use any bathroom or gym they feel suitable that day. Because in 2024 you're evil if you say men don't menstruate or get pregnant. 5 years ago, and 5 years from now, society is going to think those words were only uttered by absolute morons.

Keep lying about the targeting. You typing novel after novel doesn't make something true. But you go ahead and quote me where I said I'd be targeting a minor. I guess you're now okay with men just walking into the bathroom and locker rooms while you're in there, right?
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The written record is clear. You said the word “target”. I get the authoritarian tendencies (it’s why you’re on the same side as dad4) but you won’t gaslight me into thinking you didn’t say it. I’m not Winston. You’ve been given plenty of opportunities to clarify but you haven’t because you can’t.

As to the bathroom/locker room I’ve already been clear in my position. It should be penis/no penis with private accommodations for those undergoing issues, particularly minors.

There’s already a remedy for someone who’d do something against your dd which is illegal and you have a right to self defense and a limited defense of others. But you can’t take the law in you hands and act as a violent enforcer. You can’t violate someone’s civil rights and this is SoCal. Don’t like it, you can always move.
 
Grace T. said:
It’s very simple. You have such strong moral objections bench your daughter, if you can get others to join you forfeit, and if your team or club supports you take the sanctions

If you have your objections in the bathroom leave and find another one.


The written record is clear. You said the word “target”. I get the authoritarian tendencies (it’s why you’re on the same side as dad4) but you won’t gaslight me into thinking you didn’t say it. I’m not Winston. You’ve been given plenty of opportunities to clarify but you haven’t because you can’t.

As to the bathroom/locker room I’ve already been clear in my position. It should be penis/no penis with private accommodations for those undergoing issues, particularly minors.

There’s already a remedy for someone who’d do something against your dd which is illegal and you have a right to self defense and a limited defense of others. But you can’t take the law in you hands and act as a violent enforcer. You can’t violate someone’s civil rights and this is SoCal. Don’t like it, you can always move.
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You and Karlton the Charleton are whackos. I am now targeting you both to strong debate.
 
Grace T. said:
1. Observable differences: from an observable study it would be sufficient to conclude men are generally taller than women.
2. Your second point about blinding is a valid critique. That doesn’t mean the study doesn’t purport to show what it shows…just that it’s a valid critique which should justifiably influence the confidence in the conclusion (it also doesn’t make it zero because of the below)
3. The ability to blind is limited. Why? Well that’s why I started with my first question about whether you accept that there are observable differences in male and female brains. Because you have to have a baseline to conduct the analysis and any one familiar with neurophysiology (heck I could do it) will be able to tell the difference between a male and female brain instantly. So controlling for that is a problem. The differences are just that vast.
4. How do we know the male female differences are conclusive? That easy they’ve run them through ai and had the ai do it. The studies in the last 4 years on the subject have been fascinating
5. So how do we control for it? Well the studies have been run in excess of 20 times and have run a variety of measures including hormonal, neuropathways, structure sizes, neurological responses. It’s enough to comfortably determine something is going on here.
6. Why then don’t they use ai to do the comparison? It’s simple. Something happened in 2018 that the lgbtq community began objecting to these trans studies. Why? Well part of the concern is around the concern that researchers became uncomfortable with the male female studies because of the ramifications. So why were they able to run it through ai? Because the sample size is larger so it’s easier to get participants.
7. Sample size is actually a much more valid critique of the studies since short of ai (which itself might be influenced by the programmer and would be to be programmed “dumb” to not prejudge) there is no way to completely control for the blind issue, which as you know is a common problem in observational studies, such as if we were to conduct a study comparing the heights of men and women
8. That’s why the autism link is so fascinating (but it’s also subject to the critique that the diagnosis of autism and whether someone is on the spectrum is more of an art than a science). But that’s just a statistical number that indicates there is a correlation (but not necessarily causation) because the incidence of reported autism runs higher in the trans pop
9. So if your point is “it hasn’t been proved” you are entirely correct. But if your point is there is no proof that there is a neurological connection then that’s just hooey. There’s enough proof now to say there more likely than not is such a connection though we cant exactly say for sure what that connection is.
10. Were back to you are willing to excuse the methodolgy when you agree with the conclusion but not when you don’t. Which is your usual dreck.
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Failure to blind always means the study doesn’t show what it tried to show. That's why you blind: to make sure you don't accidentally measure your researchers instead of the thing you care about.

More generally, why would you have any confidence that the researchers will fully and honestly report what they find?

Suppose they found out something which was unpopular. Maybe the brain images of trans people looked neither male nor female, but different in some way. Or perhaps the trans images looked female for those who were on estrogen, but male for those not yet on testosterone suppressants. Do you really think that that little detail would make it to the final draft? Of course not. They'd exclude early transitioners from the study entirely, and redo it.

Short summary is that any study on trans people runs through a political filter.
 
Grace T. said:
It’s very simple. You have such strong moral objections bench your daughter, if you can get others to join you forfeit, and if your team or club supports you take the sanctions

If you have your objections in the bathroom leave and find another one.


The written record is clear. You said the word “target”. I get the authoritarian tendencies (it’s why you’re on the same side as dad4) but you won’t gaslight me into thinking you didn’t say it. I’m not Winston. You’ve been given plenty of opportunities to clarify but you haven’t because you can’t.

As to the bathroom/locker room I’ve already been clear in my position. It should be penis/no penis with private accommodations for those undergoing issues, particularly minors.

There’s already a remedy for someone who’d do something against your dd which is illegal and you have a right to self defense and a limited defense of others. But you can’t take the law in you hands and act as a violent enforcer. You can’t violate someone’s civil rights and this is SoCal. Don’t like it, you can always move.
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You get authoritarian tendencies? And I'm not usually on the same side of Dad4. I challenged you to provide the quote and you failed. Period.

You read what I wrote. There is me and millions of others that won't stand by and watch men put little girls in harm's way because it's the "tolerant" thing to do. Go by choice or go by force. Isn't that was "ladies" are all about? Having choices? Little girls don't have that choice.
 
dad4 said:
Failure to blind always means the study doesn’t show what it tried to show. That's why you blind: to make sure you don't accidentally measure your researchers instead of the thing you care about.

More generally, why would you have any confidence that the researchers will fully and honestly report what they find?

Suppose they found out something which was unpopular. Maybe the brain images of trans people looked neither male nor female, but different in some way. Or perhaps the trans images looked female for those who were on estrogen, but male for those not yet on testosterone suppressants. Do you really think that that little detail would make it to the final draft? Of course not. They'd exclude early transitioners from the study entirely, and redo it.

Short summary is that any study on trans people runs through a political filter.
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So there is bias in "scientific" studies? Who would of thought!
 
dad4 said:
Failure to blind always means the study doesn’t show what it tried to show. That's why you blind: to make sure you don't accidentally measure your researchers instead of the thing you care about.

More generally, why would you have any confidence that the researchers will fully and honestly report what they find?

Suppose they found out something which was unpopular. Maybe the brain images of trans people looked neither male nor female, but different in some way. Or perhaps the trans images looked female for those who were on estrogen, but male for those not yet on testosterone suppressants. Do you really think that that little detail would make it to the final draft? Of course not. They'd exclude early transitioners from the study entirely, and redo it.

Short summary is that any study on trans people runs through a political filter.
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Agree it needs to be run by a political filter. But in this case the filter runs contra. Indeed because since about 2010 the left has been afraid of what the womens brains studies might show, and it’s been a red line to explore racial differences. Indeed this line of study has been pretty much shut down since 2018 because the left doesn’t want to see it: it undermines the notion that gender is a spectrum.

So where do things stand? I think you are right that these studies don’t “prove it”. I also, however, think these studies as well as the recent ones on autism correlation are enough to determine there is a neurological component here, even if we aren’t sure what that component is (we only have suspects).

I seem to recall making these points about bias in studies to you and you saying no we needed to trust the science? Hmmm? I wonder why that is?????

Again I am so very very happy to see you hoisted by your own petard
 
Slobodan said:
You get authoritarian tendencies? And I'm not usually on the same side of Dad4. I challenged you to provide the quote and you failed. Period.

You read what I wrote. There is me and millions of others that won't stand by and watch men put little girls in harm's way because it's the "tolerant" thing to do. Go by choice or go by force. Isn't that was "ladies" are all about? Having choices? Little girls don't have that choice.
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Want the quote: “go by choice or go by force”. Period.

It’s not because it’s “the tolerant thing to do”. It’s because it’s the law. Don’t like it, change the law or move some place that agrees with you. But you aren’t some superhero that gets to use physical violence to exercise what you think should be the law. And there aren’t millions because thousand of trans people use the bathroom every day without incident. Again if this is more than poor little tough guy bluster, let’s see it and report back to us. I have the popcorn ready.
 
Falconets head coach, Chris Danjuma heaped plaudits on his players for a job well done after they sealed a place in the second round at the 2024 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup. Are my eyes playing tricks on me this morning?

“We have a lot of talents that we want the world to see and this is an opportunity to see those talents because 90% of them are from the local league, they are not professionals coming from anywhere in Europe.”



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