5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

[Grace T.]

Men aren't allowed, by law, to enter the women's restroom.

Not true, at least not in California (there is no law on the books saying a man can't enter a woman's restroom), particularly a transgendered individual (there are multiple cases in California affirmatively establishing the legality of people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as). You don't know what you are talking about. The law in California is very clear on this point. Short of the person doing something illegal like attempting to leer at your daughter in a stall, you'd be the one breaking the law by asking them to leave and you'd be the one to get the book thrown at you for physical violence and civil rights violations. Don't like it? Move.

Fuck the law.

Remind me to laugh at you when they dismiss your "I didn't know any better" defense because of this comment but then.....

And you have no idea what I'm capable of.

I don't believe you for a second. I'll be waiting on pins and needles with the popcorn. By all means, report back.......

 

[Slobodan]

Not true, at least not in California (there is no law on the books saying a man can't enter a woman's restroom), particularly a transgendered individual (there are multiple cases in California affirmatively establishing the legality of people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as). You don't know what you are talking about. The law in California is very clear on this point. Short of the person doing something illegal like attempting to leer at your daughter in a stall, you'd be the one breaking the law by asking them to leave and you'd be the one to get the book thrown at you for physical violence and civil rights violations. Don't like it? Move.


Remind me to laugh at you when they dismiss your "I didn't know any better" defense because of this comment but then.....



I don't believe you for a second. I'll be waiting on pins and needles with the popcorn. By all means, report back.......

So that means, in California, there's no law that says a man can go in. If I pulled 100 random women in the Target parking lot, and asked them if they had a problem with a man walking in their restroom, we both know how that poll ends. Go ahead and cite the law for me, counselor.

Don't like me keeping male creeps out of the women's bathroom? Tough shit.

 

[Grace T.]

So that means, in California, there's no law that says a man can go in. If I pulled 100 random women in the Target parking lot, and asked them if they had a problem with a man walking in their restroom, we both know how that poll ends. Go ahead and cite the law for me, counselor.

Don't like me keeping male creeps out of the women's bathroom? Tough shit.

Errrr….targets in California are shifting towards gender neutral bathrooms

The problem I have Slobi is you’ve appointed yourself our big brother czar to determine who is and who isn’t a “male creep” and who deserves to have violence vetted out against them. Here’s a hint: your judgment from everything you’ve written here is clouded with bigotry. But thats why we have laws and civil societies. Your sons and daughters will surely be proud.

Tough shit? Again I’m not the one throwing the book at you, though I’d be more than happy to facilitate if the chance arose. As I said I’m here with the popcorn. Let’s see it.

 

[Karlton Athletic]

Don't like me keeping male creeps out of the women's bathroom? Tough shit.

Thank you for your service.

 

[crush]

Thank you for your service.

Was that satire or were you being serious Charleton?

 

[pewpew]

We need to remember that a dude in a dress is just a dude in a dress. And, like any dude, he sometimes needs to pee.

Then he better be walking into the Men's Restroom. Or the Family Restroom if it's open. Door #3 isn't an option.
I don't care what his feelings are, or what he likes to be called. If he walks like a dude, talks like a dude,
(his choice not to dress like a dude), he better be going in with all the other dudes.

 

[pewpew]

Let me ask you @Grace T. if you have boys and girls. I respect your choice not to answer if you choose. But it
would give us all a bit of perspective. I have both.
How would you feel if you were walking into the restroom at Target and right behind you is a man who claims
he's a woman but looks nothing like one? Are you cool with that, or are you going to say "Excuse me sir, you seem
to be in the wrong restroom."
Or your son/GK. How would you feel if he was a girl and a senior in high school and has been killing it the last 3 years,
except this year, a "boy" joins the Girls Varsity Soccer Team and takes his spot because he's faster, stronger, taller, etc.
Your DD now sees zero playing time, and all the colleges that were looking at her are now looking at giving the new
male GK a full ride. Thoughts?

 

[pewpew]

"We should be getting these people doctors that will help them cope and accept who they are". First of all, this is the same thing they said about gay people ten years ago...identical word for word....what changed? Second, the issue is there aren't any cures and there aren't any procedures that will help them accept. The evidence seems to point that this is a neurological condition, quite possibly autism related. And there isn't a cure for autism. Sometimes the answer to "what's to be done" is there are no good answers.

I note your conditions seem to be a little different than slobi. For example, you have a problem with my cousin who is two decades post surgery and is there only to do her business and get out? Is your problem only with transgendered MTF who are cross dressing and/or have beards, or people who are seriously transitioning? Or is your threat of violence only with those who are acting like predators

I wasn't aware that ten years ago that they were saying that about gay people. Because the one's I've known, I have known for over 30 years.
And while I'll agree that gay people have been mistreated, it hasn't been, and never will be by me. Most gay people and their families will tell
you they were born gay. Sometimes it seems there are those out there that say they are because it's a trend. I've seen it. Straight. Gay. Back to straight.

While there are some trans people out there that you can't quite tell if they were FTM or MTF previously, it doesn't change the fact that they
are still the same sex they were originally assigned at birth. This is where they need help. This includes your cousin. When the dig up your cousin's bones in 100 years they'll say this is a biological male or female. Nothing about trans, pronouns, etc. I already covered this part.
If Sam wants to dress like Sally that's his business. But don't ask me to call you Sally when you clearly look like Sam. Again, Sam needs
serious mental health. Yes I have a problem with men "claiming they are female" and trying to use the women's restroom for the sole
purpose of predation. Or men who couldn't cut it in their given sport who now want to be called a female when they clearly aren't and are
now laying people out on the field or smashing their records that these females have worked so hard to earn. Ask Riley Gaines what she thinks about all this. I think we all know.
**Don't put words in my mouth either like you tried with @Slobodan too.**
There are sheep, sheep dogs, and wolves. We either react to the threat of danger or the act of criminal conduct. That would make us
sheep dogs. Our family and any other weak person are the sheep we must protect. We know who the wolves are. But sometimes it
takes a little more work to find them.

 

[dad4]

Then he better be walking into the Men's Restroom. Or the Family Restroom if it's open. Door #3 isn't an option.
I don't care what his feelings are, or what he likes to be called. If he walks like a dude, talks like a dude,
(his choice not to dress like a dude), he better be going in with all the other dudes.

If that's what you want, then the "I'm gonna commit a class A felony" talk needs to stop.

Fear of gay bashing is one of the reasons the dude in a dress might choose the women's room.

 

[Grace T.]

I wasn't aware that ten years ago that they were saying that about gay people. Because the one's I've known, I have known for over 30 years.
And while I'll agree that gay people have been mistreated, it hasn't been, and never will be by me. Most gay people and their families will tell
you they were born gay. Sometimes it seems there are those out there that say they are because it's a trend. I've seen it. Straight. Gay. Back to straight.

While there are some trans people out there that you can't quite tell if they were FTM or MTF previously, it doesn't change the fact that they
are still the same sex they were originally assigned at birth. This is where they need help. This includes your cousin. When the dig up your cousin's bones in 100 years they'll say this is a biological male or female. Nothing about trans, pronouns, etc. I already covered this part.
If Sam wants to dress like Sally that's his business. But don't ask me to call you Sally when you clearly look like Sam. Again, Sam needs
serious mental health. Yes I have a problem with men "claiming they are female" and trying to use the women's restroom for the sole
purpose of predation. Or men who couldn't cut it in their given sport who now want to be called a female when they clearly aren't and are
now laying people out on the field or smashing their records that these females have worked so hard to earn. Ask Riley Gaines what she thinks about all this. I think we all know.
**Don't put words in my mouth either like you tried with @Slobodan too.**
There are sheep, sheep dogs, and wolves. We either react to the threat of danger or the act of criminal conduct. That would make us
sheep dogs. Our family and any other weak person are the sheep we must protect. We know who the wolves are. But sometimes it
takes a little more work to find them.

The problem with claiming words being put into mouths is when you aren’t being exact and saying what you mean. The key words here are “for the sole purpose of predation”. I think we would all agree we would have an issue with a biological male entering the womens room to leer at young girls and we would all have a problem with gay men using the mens room to leer at young boys. But what about my cousin who is 20 years post transition and had never used the bathroom “for purposes of predation”? Have a problem with her using the women’s room? Physical violence ok on her to take her out of there? What bad guys are we taking about here?

Let’s talk now about “mental health”. Do autistic kids have a “mental health” problem? What about adhd kids? And what kind of magical mental health treatment have you discovered, because one of the reasons for the drastic options is there are none better. So the medical journals are waiting on baited breathe for this new remedy you’ve discovered. Lay it out for us. How you cure them?

 

[Grace T.]

Let me ask you @Grace T. if you have boys and girls. I respect your choice not to answer if you choose. But it
would give us all a bit of perspective. I have both.
How would you feel if you were walking into the restroom at Target and right behind you is a man who claims
he's a woman but looks nothing like one? Are you cool with that, or are you going to say "Excuse me sir, you seem
to be in the wrong restroom."
Or your son/GK. How would you feel if he was a girl and a senior in high school and has been killing it the last 3 years,
except this year, a "boy" joins the Girls Varsity Soccer Team and takes his spot because he's faster, stronger, taller, etc.
Your DD now sees zero playing time, and all the colleges that were looking at her are now looking at giving the new
male GK a full ride. Thoughts?

Sons and nieces. I was also a higher level athlete myself but it was in eventing and I competed in the martial arts on a low level.

As to the restroom I told you my preferred rule: penis no penis with spaces for those undergoing issues that require privacy. I wouldn’t have the police there checking everyone’s junk going in tsa South Park style…should be on the honor system with violations for bad actors being used to accelerated any crimes committed. That, however, is no excuse for slobi (and possibly you) exercising violence contrary to the law and violating others civil rights as currently stated.

As to sports that can happen any time. In fact my kid did that to another kid a few years back. As the parent of a gk I’ve seen kids tormented by teammates and just looking at the line of complaints in the gk forum. My kid himself has been through hell and back to the point I’ve written nothing would give me greater satisfaction for giving it up. There is nothing fair about that process which is full of abuse. So no I won’t crack out the tissue there. The lack of empathy for gks if anything has hardened me to cry me a river. There’s nothing “fair” about it

 

[crush]

Hey Slobo and Pew Pew, you're talking about someone like this dude going into the girl's bathroom, where our dear daughters are in, right?

Video Link: https://1a-1791.com/video/s8/2/n/l/H/E/nlHEt.caa.mp4?b=1&u=ummtf

 

[Slobodan]

Errrr….targets in California are shifting towards gender neutral bathrooms

The problem I have Slobi is you’ve appointed yourself our big brother czar to determine who is and who isn’t a “male creep” and who deserves to have violence vetted out against them. Here’s a hint: your judgment from everything you’ve written here is clouded with bigotry. But thats why we have laws and civil societies. Your sons and daughters will surely be proud.

Tough shit? Again I’m not the one throwing the book at you, though I’d be more than happy to facilitate if the chance arose. As I said I’m here with the popcorn. Let’s see it.

Go ahead and cite the law for me. Where is it? Is that twice now I've called bullshit on you and won? Yes, amazing we now have to have businesses build another bathroom for these clowns. Hundreds of years we were able to have 2... but NOOOOO. "I'm special." GTFOH.

Anyone can be the big brother czar and do the job. Anyone with common sense and a backbone. SHAME on you for supporting pedophiles.

 

[Karlton Athletic]

Hundreds of years we were able to have 2... but NOOOOO. "I'm special." GTFOH.

 

[Grace T.]

Go ahead and cite the law for me. Where is it? Is that twice now I've called bullshit on you and won? Yes, amazing we now have to have businesses build another bathroom for these clowns. Hundreds of years we were able to have 2... but NOOOOO. "I'm special." GTFOH.

Anyone can be the big brother czar and do the job. Anyone with common sense and a backbone. SHAME on you for supporting pedophiles.

1. You are a bigot equating all trans people to pedophiles. Disgusting. Shame on you
2. I can’t prove the non existence of a law. It doesn’t exist. There isn’t one requiring men to use the men’s room in California. Google it
3. You aren’t a guy with a backbone and I don’t believe for a moment you’d have the guts to do it. If you did you wouldn’t hide behind anonymity.

 

[pewpew]

The problem with claiming words being put into mouths is when you aren’t being exact and saying what you mean. The key words here are “for the sole purpose of predation”. I think we would all agree we would have an issue with a biological male entering the womens room to leer at young girls and we would all have a problem with gay men using the mens room to leer at young boys. But what about my cousin who is 20 years post transition and had never used the bathroom “for purposes of predation”? Have a problem with her using the women’s room? Physical violence ok on her to take her out of there? What bad guys are we taking about here?

Let’s talk now about “mental health”. Do autistic kids have a “mental health” problem? What about adhd kids? And what kind of magical mental health treatment have you discovered, because one of the reasons for the drastic options is there are none better. So the medical journals are waiting on baited breathe for this new remedy you’ve discovered. Lay it out for us. How you cure them?

Does your cousin look like a male or a female? It's one thing when they look like the sex they are "trying to imitate." It's another when they clearly aren't. Who said anything about physical violence?! I'm not laying hands on anyone that isn't trying to harm me or mine. But if I see someone clearly stepping out of bounds, my first course of action is to notify management at said location, followed by LE if needed. Now if someone is in the process
of committing a crime, and someone needs help from them and I get involved, I'm hoping there are enough witnesses and the Good Samaritan Law to help protect me. So you can stop with the whole "physical violence BS."

I think autistic kids have a disability, not a mental health problem. And although it seems some kids develop if, I know of one family where all three
of their kids were diagnosed with it within a year or two...well before anyone could say they have "mental health" problems.
I don't have any experience with ADHD. I did say earlier I don't have a solution for everything, you obviously weren't paying attention judging by
your childish "the medical journals are waiting on baited breathe for this new remedy you've discovered" comment.

We are both GK parents and you know that. Yet you failed to answer the scenario in which your son is actually a girl and gets replaced by a bigger,
stronger, and faster male who identifies as a female. What would you do? How would you feel? If your daughter was in 11th grade and on Stanford's radar to be a GK to add to their roster and it was stolen by a biological male who wants to be a female, unless you're Megan Rapinoe I'm pretty sure
you'd be enraged.

If all you have is a son and nieces, you really can't speak from experience what it feels like to have a daughter get screwed over the way females
are getting burned in our current society. (Just like people who try to give parenting advice that don't have kids.)

 

[pewpew]

If that's what you want, then the "I'm gonna commit a class A felony" talk needs to stop.

Fear of gay bashing is one of the reasons the dude in a dress might choose the women's room.

Gay bashing?! Please. I have relatives that are gay. I've never gay bashed anyone. But keep trying.
Although one of my gay relatives is also very liberal, so there is that. His brother is also gay and
very conservative and takes him to task every time there is an argument over politics. It's quite
entertaining actually.

For example, the liberal one talks about the injustice in Palestine and how we should be supporting them.
His brother, "You do realize what they'd do to both of us in Palestine if we went there right?"
Crickets....

 

[Grace T.]

Does your cousin look like a male or a female? It's one thing when they look like the sex they are "trying to imitate." It's another when they clearly aren't. Who said anything about physical violence?! I'm not laying hands on anyone that isn't trying to harm me or mine. But if I see someone clearly stepping out of bounds, my first course of action is to notify management at said location, followed by LE if needed. Now if someone is in the process
of committing a crime, and someone needs help from them and I get involved, I'm hoping there are enough witnesses and the Good Samaritan Law to help protect me. So you can stop with the whole "physical violence BS."

I think autistic kids have a disability, not a mental health problem. And although it seems some kids develop if, I know of one family where all three
of their kids were diagnosed with it within a year or two...well before anyone could say they have "mental health" problems.
I don't have any experience with ADHD. I did say earlier I don't have a solution for everything, you obviously weren't paying attention judging by
your childish "the medical journals are waiting on baited breathe for this new remedy you've discovered" comment.

We are both GK parents and you know that. Yet you failed to answer the scenario in which your son is actually a girl and gets replaced by a bigger,
stronger, and faster male who identifies as a female. What would you do? How would you feel? If your daughter was in 11th grade and on Stanford's radar to be a GK to add to their roster and it was stolen by a biological male who wants to be a female, unless you're Megan Rapinoe I'm pretty sure
you'd be enraged.

If all you have is a son and nieces, you really can't speak from experience what it feels like to have a daughter get screwed over the way females
are getting burned in our current society. (Just like people who try to give parenting advice that don't have kids.)

1. Then you are in different boat re physical violence than what slobi has written. You’ve made clear you aren’t harming someone that isn’t harming you and yours and that’s very different
2. But no one made you the “passing” police. If anything that soft bias makes it more likely kids will rush to transition before they are adults so they can “pass”. You are creating negative incentives that have real consequences for kids since I’m assuming you don’t think kids should make such permanent life altering decisions before they are ready
3. If autism and adhd aren’t a mental illness then neither are most trans people ( I say most because I’m open to the idea that some may not be true trans people but subjects of social contagion). Again there is ample evidence that the condition is neurological in origin and quite possibly has an autism link. Your prior remarks were therefore, I’ll assume, made in ignorance rather than out of bigotry because I’d like to believe the better of you and I think you are a fair actor.
4. Like autism there is no cure. There is no counseling or drugs that have been shown to work. There is no known treatment. The only thing that has been shown to remove the discomfort in some (but quite clearly also not all) is transition. Sometimes being an adult is recongnizing there are no solutions.
5. Again, my son did the very same thing to another boy. It happens. Sports situation esp among gks are sucky. There’s nothing fair about it. The only distinction is you don’t think the hypothetical trans individual is justified in being there while what happened with my son is presumably just “fair” competition. So it’s impossible to answer that question without establishing what is fair and what is not fair
6. In youth sports I’ve said previously if we aren’t screening for testosterone and hgh, I don’t think youth athletes should be segregated. The reason is simple: we don’t want to encourage them to transition early before they are ready to make such a heavy decision. Here the general incentives are prevailing over any one person. If the sport tests on the collegiate level, however they wouldn’t under my system be able to take that scholarship if there is a separate division to play in
7”females screwed over in society”. Hello I see that with my nieces every day and I’ve lived it myself. If anything it’s offensive to be mansplained this. Walk a mile in my heels buddy. You just did it by mansplaining.
8. That said, appeals to emotion are weak. Facts don’t care about your feelings. So it doesn’t matter how I “feel” about a situation, only whether it is normative right or wrong. And vigilante justice against people just going to the bathroom because they are minding their own business yet not sufficiently passing for the consideration of some is wrong. That’s my problem: with the bigotry. You’ve clarified you wouldn’t go beating on those people…that’s enough…I appreciate the distinction and clarification and put you in a different boat from others threatening violence.

 

[Grace T.]

Gay bashing?! Please. I have relatives that are gay. I've never gay bashed anyone. But keep trying.
Although one of my gay relatives is also very liberal, so there is that. His brother is also gay and
very conservative and takes him to task every time there is an argument over politics. It's quite
entertaining actually.

For example, the liberal one talks about the injustice in Palestine and how we should be supporting them.
His brother, "You do realize what they'd do to both of us in Palestine if we went there right?"
Crickets....

The fear of gay bashing is if you were to force a teen mtf youth to use the men’s restroom how would the other boys treat him if he walked into the men’s room wearing a dress and makeup? You really think they’d just let it pass without snearing? My kid in an international tournie got into a fist fight with his teammate Latino roomates because he wanted to go to bed at midnight prior to an 8 am field call and they wanted to keep playing PlayStation. So do you seriously think I’d believe if tomorrow he transitioned and started to wear a dress he’d be safe in the bathroom with those same kids. He’ll I’ve seen similar kids call black kids on the field the n word…they gonna treat the trans kid any better? That’s a fantasy….so if you don’t want to have them in the girls locker room yeah shell out the money for private accommodations

The other day was reading about a case where a person in a medical waiting room threw a fit because a blind person came in with a seeing eye dog. The person who threw the fit and tried to force the blind person to leave has ptsd around dogs. Sometimes people are inconvenienced for accommodations.

 

[pewpew]

1. You’ve made clear you aren’t harming someone that isn’t harming you and yours and that’s very different

Or harming anyone else for that matter. If I see some thug trying to roll some old lady for her purse as she's walking down the street you can bet I'm getting involved. Trans person walking into the wrong bathroom is just another facet of being someone who looks out for others. We've talked about active shooters at work before and at home with my family. It sucks that I'm the type that will rush to help others just because that's who I am, yet I'd probably end up taking a bullet for someone I work with that really doesn't deserve it. Much like my family doesn't deserve to be left without a husband/father because I took a bullet while saving a co-worker. Yeah there's some I would, others, not so much.

2. I’m assuming you don’t think kids should make such permanent life altering decisions before they are ready

And yet we have people telling kids in elementary school that it's ok. We should be talking to them and getting it in their heads that although they might feel like they should be a girl, they were born a boy. And no amount of surgery will change that. They will never get pregnant, or menstruate, or breast-feed, etc. And any girl who wants to be a boy, will never be able to get another female pregnant, etc.

3. If autism and adhd aren’t a mental illness then neither are most trans people ( I say most because I’m open to the idea that some may not be true trans people but subjects of social contagion). Again there is ample evidence that the condition is neurological in origin and quite possibly has an autism link. Your prior remarks were therefore, I’ll assume, made in ignorance rather than out of bigotry because I’d like to believe the better of you and I think you are a fair actor.

It seems very popular these days to be trans. I don't think autism and/or adhd are a mental illness either, but rather a disability. Whereas a biological male thinks if they whack off their crank, it'll make them female and they'll be able to get pregnant.
Assumption=ignorance.

4. Like autism there is no cure. There is no counseling or drugs that have been shown to work. There is no known treatment. The only thing that has been shown to remove the discomfort in some (but quite clearly also not all) is transition. Sometimes being an adult is recongnizing there are no solutions.

Sometimes being an adult, means they should be able to tell their kids.."This is how you were born. You may not like it. But it's the cards you were dealt. The sooner you come to accept it, the better off you'll be. No amount of drugs or surgeries will change what you truly are inside."
Instead, many out there say.."Ok Sam, let's cut that thing off and start calling you Samantha instead. All your problems will be solved."

5. Again, my son did the very same thing to another boy. It happens. Sports situation esp among gks are sucky. There’s nothing fair about it. The only distinction is you don’t think the hypothetical trans individual is justified in being there while what happened with my son is presumably just “fair” competition. So it’s impossible to answer that question without establishing what is fair and what is not fair

It's not impossible to answer, you just refuse to. Twice now. Why is it so difficult to put yourself in that situation and give an answer to how you'd feel.
My "assumption" is you know that you'd be pissed off. But given your stance on the subject matter, you can't cross the line and admit it.

6. In youth sports I’ve said previously if we aren’t screening for testosterone and hgh, I don’t think youth athletes should be segregated. The reason is simple: we don’t want to encourage them to transition early before they are ready to make such a heavy decision. Here the general incentives are prevailing over any one person. If the sport tests on the collegiate level, however they wouldn’t under my system be able to take that scholarship if there is a separate division to play in

One of my nephew's is a Freshman in HS. He's the biggest kid on his football team. Let's make all sports co-ed since that's how you want it.
Would you really want your 5'2" daughter playing any contact sport against a 5'11" boy who also probably outweighs her by at least 60lbs?!
Or competing against her for a scholarship based on the results of the "shot put" alone?! "Whichever one of you sends it the farthest is getting a full ride to the college of your choice. Second place..here's a participation ribbon for you. Still want everything co-ed?

7”females screwed over in society”. Hello I see that with my nieces every day and I’ve lived it myself. If anything it’s offensive to be mansplained this. Walk a mile in my heels buddy. You just did it by mansplaining.

Yet you seem to be ok with females getting screwed. A great many others too. Riley Gaines isn't. My wife and my DD certainly aren't.
I don't need to walk in your heels. I see it thru their eyes/experience. Mansplaining? That's laughable.

8. That said, appeals to emotion are weak. Facts don’t care about your feelings. So it doesn’t matter how I “feel” about a situation, only whether it is normative right or wrong. And vigilante justice against people just going to the bathroom because they are minding their own business yet not sufficiently passing for the consideration of some is wrong. That’s my problem: with the bigotry. You’ve clarified you wouldn’t go beating on those people…that’s enough…I appreciate the distinction and clarification and put you in a different boat from others threatening violence.

The lines between normative right/wrong have become so blurred these days because so many people (Liberals) are ready to cancel you if you don't go along with their BS agenda.