2017-2018 D1 Women's Soccer Talk!

[Bernie Sanders]

The rights to marry, start a family, join an extracurricular at a public school, use the damn restroom, etc. based on gender or sexuality.

I believe you need to look up the definition of civil rights.

So I assumed correctly?

The right to marry is not exclusive. We can come back to that.
Which extracurriculars are people being unfairly discriminated against, and who is not allowed to use the restroom?

We need to be specific in order to understand what this is about.
This "boycott will affect a lot of people. I just want to understand what we are talking about here.

 

[Bernie Sanders]

Came for the soccer talk, ended up getting bigotry and ignorance. Trumps America, ladies and gentlemen.

I am trying to understand your point of view, and have not said one hateful word.
Ive even been patient with your less than civil insinuations toward me.

I did not bring this up.
Im just providing an alternative view of the situation.

 

[chargerfan]

I am trying to understand your point of view, and have not said one hateful word.
Ive even been patient with your less than civil insinuations toward me.

I did not bring this up.
Im just providing an alternative view of the situation.

The hateful post I was referring to has thankfully been deleted. It wasn't yours.

 

[chargerfan]

The right to marry is not exclusive. We can come back to that.
Which extracurriculars are people being unfairly discriminated against, and who is not allowed to use the restroom?

We need to be specific in order to understand what this is about.
This "boycott will affect a lot of people. I just want to understand what we are talking about here.

It is not exclusive in the way the 1st amendment is not exclusive. The government has a compelling interest in not allowing children to marry, family members to marry, etc. In the absence of compelling govt interest, there is the right to marry. Are you suggesting the govt has an interest in disallowing gay marriage?

Any extracurricular in ky (and maybe other states now) can refuse to allow a student join based on "religious freedom". So you have a gay daughter in bfe,ky who isn't offered a spot on her soccer team at her public high school bc of her sexuality.

Who is not allowed to use the restroom? Any trans person who does not find it worth the embarrassment and probably harassment for using the restroom that coincides with their birth gender.

 

[Zerodenero]

No basic rights are being infringed. You can still stick your stick and platinum vajeen where you want. You can dress up as a girl or boy. You can even think you are a girl or a boy with or without a stick. You can even be queer if you choose. The point is that you can choose but I don't have to agree with it. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

It is clear that you are not alone.

Link:https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.c...layer-boycotting-team-over-these-jerseys/amp/

 

[Bernie Sanders]

It is not exclusive in the way the 1st amendment is not exclusive. The government has a compelling interest in not allowing children to marry, family members to marry, etc. In the absence of compelling govt interest, there is the right to marry. Are you suggesting the govt has an interest in disallowing gay marriage?

Any extracurricular in ky (and maybe other states now) can refuse to allow a student join based on "religious freedom". So you have a gay daughter in bfe,ky who isn't offered a spot on her soccer team at her public high school bc of her sexuality.

Who is not allowed to use the restroom? Any trans person who does not find it worth the embarrassment and probably harassment for using the restroom that coincides with their birth gender.

Gay marriage is legal in some states, and not legal in others, although I think the union is recognized in all 50. The "union" has equal protections under federal law.
I have a sister who is gay, and lives in the south, with her "partner", and is doing great.
Is there a public school in Kentucky that would not allow a female soccer player to play on a female soccer team because she's lesbian? If that is the case, I dont agree with it.
The restroom issue concerns not only the rights of the "trans", but the rights of others who wish to use the restroom of their designated gender.
Who's rights are more important?

This is a state and local issue that is best determined locally.
I dont want men in the bathroom with my daughters, but you may live in a town where everyone loves it
As a plumber, I understand plumbing, and how public restrooms are designed, not to embarrass, or empower people, but to accommodate a bodily function based on the plumbing "particulars" of the gender designated on the door.

 

[chargerfan]

Gay marriage is legal in some states, and not legal in others, although I think the union is recognized in all 50. The "union" has equal protections under federal law.
I have a sister who is gay, and lives in the south, with her "partner", and is doing great.
Is there a public school in Kentucky that would not allow a female soccer player to play on a female soccer team because she's lesbian? If that is the case, I dont agree with it.
The restroom issue concerns not only the rights of the "trans", but the rights of others who wish to use the restroom of their designated gender.
Who's rights are more important?

This is a state and local issue that is best determined locally.
I dont want men in the bathroom with my daughters, but you may live in a town where everyone loves it
As a plumber, I understand plumbing, and how public restrooms are designed, not to embarrass, or empower people, but to accommodate a bodily function based on the plumbing "particulars" of the gender designated on the door.

Who is not being able to use the restroom of their choice because of the trans community?

I am speaking of the embarrassment of a trans man who has to use the women's restroom under this law. I can tell you that every woman in there will tell him "wrong bathroom!", and when he doesn't exit, will either intervene further or call for security. Just because the guy needs to pee. And who knows what sort of comments would be made to a trans woman using the men's restroom. Especially at a bar or night club.

 

[chargerfan]

I think it's best to leave the soccer forum to soccer, and I didn't mean to help hijack this thread. But I do believe our daughters generation is much more enlightened, and it's inspiring to see them fight for true equality. We have strong, empowered young ladies off and on the field.

 

[chargerfan]

Gay marriage is legal in some states, and not legal in others, although I think the union is recognized in all 50. The "union" has equal protections under federal law.
I have a sister who is gay, and lives in the south, with her "partner", and is doing great.
Is there a public school in Kentucky that would not allow a female soccer player to play on a female soccer team because she's lesbian? If that is the case, I dont agree with it.
The restroom issue concerns not only the rights of the "trans", but the rights of others who wish to use the restroom of their designated gender.
Who's rights are more important?

This is a state and local issue that is best determined locally.
I dont want men in the bathroom with my daughters, but you may live in a town where everyone loves it
As a plumber, I understand plumbing, and how public restrooms are designed, not to embarrass, or empower people, but to accommodate a bodily function based on the plumbing "particulars" of the gender designated on the door.

And I hate to tell you, but I'm sure your daughter has shared a public restroom with several trans women in her life. I truly think the focus of your concern should be the high percentage of women sexually assaulted in college by cisgender males. They are the the true threats to our daughters and that's where mine concern lies.

Sorry, this is it! Back to college soccer!

 

[Bernie Sanders]

And I hate to tell you, but I'm sure your daughter has shared a public restroom with several trans women in her life. I truly think the focus of your concern should be the high percentage of women sexually assaulted in college by cisgender males. They are the the true threats to our daughters and that's where mine concern lies.

Sorry, this is it! Back to college soccer!

If nobody knows, who cares? (as far as trannys using the rest room)
Simple.
I dont believe cis-gendered men should be allowed in the women's room either.


You understand there are two legitimate sides to this.
I certainly do.

This is why we should keep that political discussion on capitol hill, and not in NCAA sports.
Just like this thread.

 

[Bernie Sanders]

I think it's best to leave the soccer forum to soccer, and I didn't mean to help hijack this thread. But I do believe our daughters generation is much more enlightened, and it's inspiring to see them fight for true equality. We have strong, empowered young ladies off and on the field.

We all have our opinions on social norms and what should or should not be considered acceptable public policy.
I dont agree with you on some things, but do agree on others.

This does not make either of us hateful, bigoted, or ignorant.
It just means we aren't the same person.
Diversity in a nutshell.

 

[Justafan]

You California people are f-ing retarded when it comes to social issues. 80% of the country laughs there asses off at your stupidity.

California is to the United States as the United States is to the world. Think about who hates California the most and who hates the United States the most. It's no coincidence that both are much more religiously conservative than California and the United States.

 

[Justafan]

This is a state and local issue that is best determined locally.

As a plumber,

That is correct, and California can choose not to do business with those states. Likewise, Jalean Hinkle can choose not to participate with the USWNT. Not a problem on either side for me.

A plumber really?

 

[chargerfan]

We all have our opinions on social norms and what should or should not be considered acceptable public policy.
I dont agree with you on some things, but do agree on others.

This does not make either of us hateful, bigoted, or ignorant.
It just means we aren't the same person.
Diversity in a nutshell.

Of course it doesn't make me hateful, bigoted, or ignorant, as I have not expressed an opinion contrary to the belief that lgbtq community should be treated with dignity and equality in all matters. That would be you.

 

[chargerfan]

If nobody knows, who cares? (as far as trannys using the rest room)
Simple.
I dont believe cis-gendered men should be allowed in the women's room either.


You understand there are two legitimate sides to this.
I certainly do.

This is why we should keep that political discussion on capitol hill, and not in NCAA sports.
Just like this thread.

It is 2017. How about we not use the word, "tranny"?

 

[Justafan]

Let the kids play their games, and take the political game to capitol hill.
We dont need any political group using sports as a weapon against their poilitical adversaries.

btw, I didnt bring this up.
I just disagree with the tactic.

First off, any public institution from California that makes the college cup, or other meaningfull championship for that matter, will get a waiver.

Bernie you are a very reasonable person and I respect that you stick to the arguments, but I disagree with your take.

Too many people say they are for the 1st amendment until they disagree with the message. Everybody says they are ok with people's right to protest UNTIL the protest disrupts their lives in some way (lots of people, left and right, hated the protests at LAX). If protests never bothered anybody, they would not be protests.

 

[Justafan]

Are there any "creatively discriminating" laws in California?

The anti smoking laws are WAY over the top for my taste and I am not a smoker. In fact I left an employer because the boss smoked inside the office. But there are way too many restrictions regarding where a smoker can light up just because someone may catch a whiff of the exhale.

 

[chargerfan]

The anti smoking laws are WAY over the top for my taste and I am not a smoker. In fact I left an employer because the boss smoked inside the office. But there are way too many restrictions regarding where a smoker can light up just because someone may catch a whiff of the exhale.

But at least the government has an interest here, which is curbing illnesses and diseases caused by second hand smoke. These anti LGBT laws are nothing but bigotry codified.

 

[MakeAPlay]

Again, retarded. Not one legislature gives a shit about women's college soccer. Now I am laughing.

You are pretty stupid but then again you live in Arizona aka America's a$$hole.

 

[Bernie Sanders]

Of course it doesn't make me hateful, bigoted, or ignorant, as I have not expressed an opinion contrary to the belief that lgbtq community should be treated with dignity and equality in all matters. That would be you.

I see what you did there.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, though we disagree.
There are many "communities" within our country, and just because you pick one, doesnt make those you disagree with, bigots.

 

[chargerfan]

I see what you did there.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, though we disagree.
There are many "communities" within our country, and just because you pick one, doesnt make those you disagree with, bigots.

No, I saw what you did by making it a matter of political differences, rather than bigotry. Yes, if you are in favor of unequal treatment of an oppressed minority community, you are a bigot, full stop. You may be a nice enough guy, but you appear to hold some bigoted opinions.