What's going on Cal South and State Cup Semi's?

As an Anaheim Surf parent if you want me to mail you my daughters medal I will.

Send it to Calsouth, 1029 S Placentia Ave Fullerton, CA 92831.

My daughter almost didn't play this weekend, because of this thread, and are very happy we did, not because we won, but because my daughter got to play the best of the best, with integrity and passion.

Your daughter's team did get to play. Other, more worthy teams did not, because your daughter's team took their place. Those honest teams did not get the "once in a lifetime" opportunity your daughter got. If you wanted to teach your daughter about fair play, sportsmanship and honesty, you would not have let her play.

And now it sounds like you are moving your daughter elsewhere, leaving others to take the blame and clean up your mess while you enjoy a fresh start. If I were a DOC, I would not take your family into my program, because I would not want to pollute my club's good name.
 
Wow! What happened last night that there was so much activity on the forum! Thought coffee and the gym at 5 AM was enough stimuli to get me going. So, will this continue to be a stagnated war of attrition? Where the posters just go back and forth? And, then just fizzle because those who are talking now grow tired and walk away?
 
Daniel Miller said:
As an Anaheim Surf parent if you want me to mail you my daughters medal I will.

Send it to Calsouth, 1029 S Placentia Ave Fullerton, CA 92831.

My daughter almost didn't play this weekend, because of this thread, and are very happy we did, not because we won, but because my daughter got to play the best of the best, with integrity and passion.

Your daughter's team did get to play. Other, more worthy teams did not, because your daughter's team took their place. Those honest teams did not get the "once in a lifetime" opportunity your daughter got. If you wanted to teach your daughter about fair play, sportsmanship and honesty, you would not have let her play.

And now it sounds like you are moving your daughter elsewhere, leaving others to take the blame and clean up your mess while you enjoy a fresh start. If I were a DOC, I would not take your family into my program, because I would not want to pollute my club's good name.
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Sorry to offend you with my 10 year old playing soccer. I thought all the worth teams did play in State Cup. What teams didn't get to play? Also the address given is CalSouths address I don't think they want the medal as they are the ones that put it around my daughters neck.
 
Did the kid in question get to play this weekend or not?
If not and all of the documentation that thunderbolt mentions is accurate, then what the heck?
What about that poor kid who didn't get the thrill of competing with her teammates?
Was the decision "well, it looks like you have proof, but we don't really believe you. So how about we suspend the 10 year old kid and still let your team play?"

If this was my kids team and a kid who had proven she was legit was not allowed to play, then my kid wouldn't play as a show of support.
 
Letsgetmessi said:
Sorry to offend you with my 10 year old playing soccer. I thought all the worth teams did play in State Cup. What teams didn't get to play? Also the address given is CalSouths address I don't think they want the medal as they are the ones that put it around my daughters neck.
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Nice dodge.
1. I'm not offended that your "10-year old" plays soccer. You are only using the "10-year old" label to gain sympathy. It was not her decision to play or not play in the tournament. It was your decision, and you are not a 10-year old.

2. Sure, every team "got to play in State Cup," but that's not really the point, is it. It sounds like some of them were cheated of the opportunity to move on into later rounds. It sounds like your team used an overrage player in the first rounds of the State Cup tournament. This gave your team an illegal competitive advantage. If so, your team should have been disqualified, its wins cancelled, and other, more honest teams, should have been given the chance to move on. The teams that did not advance due to your perfidy were robbed. By you. And your daughter's medal is the proof.

3. Yeah, since you brought it up, Calsouth gave her the medal. The Tour de France gave 7 to Lance Armstrong. Those medals should never be worn.
 
Letsgetmessi said:
Sorry to offend you with my 10 year old playing soccer. I thought all the worth teams did play in State Cup. What teams didn't get to play? Also the address given is CalSouths address I don't think they want the medal as they are the ones that put it around my daughters neck.
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Letsgetmessi all of the kids didn't deserve this including AS. I feel especially bad for the LAGSB kids who went to sleep expecting to play only to wake up the day of the game out again.

I have had many good experiences with these people am saddened and hope that a plausible explanation will emerge, but I have yet to hear how BW and the team manager allegedly ended up with a new registration that contained a different birth date for a girl who played on their team last year.
 
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bottom line for everyone. RULES ARE RULES. At work, driving, HOA if you have them. If you know the rule and stay within the rules no matter how unfair they might be then you will be fine. If there is any doubt about the rules error on the side of caution. ......BTW if you have more birth certificates than Jason Bourne people will certainly question your status as a player
 
jose said:
bottom line for everyone. RULES ARE RULES. At work, driving, HOA if you have them. If you know the rule and stay within the rules no matter how unfair they might be then you will be fine. If there is any doubt about the rules error on the side of caution. ......BTW if you have more birth certificates than Jason Bourne people will certainly question your status as a player
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Or a citizen of the USA.
 
My son aged out of u19s last season, I was a team manager for 10 years, I knew the rules and I knew the paperwork required for each player in order to play. I was always very careful because I knew if screwed up the paperwork kids didn't get to play. I also learned early on; coaches should never handle the paperwork because if they did it always got screwed up. The reason for all the paperwork is to keep cheaters from cheating on soccer games involving 10 year old girls.

I don't know what happened here but if the paperwork was wrong or questionable then player should be ineligible and any games she played in should have been forfeited. Even if the intention wasn't to cheat every manager knows the rules and should be prepared with the proper paperwork at the field on game day. If CalSouth is unwilling to apply the rules as written then shame on them, in fact why bother with rules at all?

If the AS parents feel like their daughters are being unfairly treated they should be mad at their coach and manager for not being on top of their paperwork.

From reading these posts it sounds to me like the coach is a bit shady and willing to work the system for his own advantage. Unfortunately when an adult manipulates things for their advantage there is a good chance that somebody's kids get screwed over, and that is what really gets people pissed off.
 
RedHawk said:
I think the question remains.....They did provide an embossed BC etc. but has it been authenticated as a valid BC for a birth year of 2006'.
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Per Cal South's own investigator they deemed it fake as well. Only those at the meeting and without the investigator present apparently accepted as authentic.
 
timbuck said:
Did the kid in question get to play this weekend or not?
If not and all of the documentation that thunderbolt mentions is accurate, then what the heck?
What about that poor kid who didn't get the thrill of competing with her teammates?
Was the decision "well, it looks like you have proof, but we don't really believe you. So how about we suspend the 10 year old kid and still let your team play?"

If this was my kids team and a kid who had proven she was legit was not allowed to play, then my kid wouldn't play as a show of support.
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Instead of "Not playing as a way to show support" are girls decided to show support for their teammate by playing and WINNING!!! They are NOT cheaters! Allegations were proven FALSE, that's why we were allowed to play. These girls are just extremely talented and have a great coach.
 
I'm curious as to whether the girl in question played after the initial investigation? I've read that she was suspended for the semi-final and final. Is this the case? If she was cleared with 100% certainty, then why didn't she play? Can someone in the know provide any info on this?
 
2hearts said:
Instead of "Not playing as a way to show support" are girls decided to show support for their teammate by playing and WINNING!!! They are NOT cheaters! Allegations were proven FALSE, that's why we were allowed to play. These girls are just extremely talented and have a great coach.
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"Allegations proven false?" That's a stretch; even your lawyer doesn't say that. And if the allegations were proved false, then why didn't the girl play?

"Kids decided to show support by playing and winning?" Wow, can somebody say "rationalization?"

2hearts: I think you're a liar. Kids learn by example.
 
espola said:
If this is true then it appears we can add another trophy to Surf's cabinet - a coach imprisoned for having sexual relations with underage girl he was coaching, a coach kicked off ODP staff for recruiting at practice, and now a team that got away with an illegal player at State Cup. I feel I might have forgotten something, though.
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Yes he was let go from ODP a while ago. I did hear that.

This is all so pathetic... why would he be allowed to coach young girls soccer??
 
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Daniel Miller said:
"Allegations proven false?" That's a stretch; even your lawyer doesn't say that. And if the allegations were proved false, then why didn't the girl play?

"Kids decided to show support by playing and winning?" Wow, can somebody say "rationalization?"

2hearts: I think you're a liar. Kids learn by example.
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Thank you for your OPINION of me. But I am a parent just like you and I am going off of the information that I was given. Our team proved that the player in question was born in 2006 and that is why the decision was reversed. Had she not been able to prove her DOB we would still be DQ'd. Think what you want but I can assure you that the girls that won State Cup and accepted the trophy ARE NOT CHEATERS and deserve recognition for their hard work.
 
2hearts said:
Thank you for your OPINION of me. But I am a parent just like you and I am going off of the information that I was given. Our team proved that the player in question was born in 2006 and that is why the decision was reversed. Had she not been able to prove her DOB we would still be DQ'd. Think what you want but I can assure you that the girls that won State Cup and accepted the trophy ARE NOT CHEATERS and deserve recognition for their hard work.
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Did she play in the final 2 games?
 
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