7 vs 7 questions for SoCal League

I am sorry you had to deal this. I have dealt with it myself being called all kind of names and my daughter had to deal with it from some parents and kids when she was 3 in pre-school. We have been talking to them about this since they both hit 3 years old. This is not just in America but all over the world. How we deal with here is just different.


My definition of competition is both tied to fair and balanced matches and declaring a champion. SOCAL doesnt flight any team, the clubs and coaches can elect to place their team in any flight they want. SOCAL only brackets them after you chose the age/flight registration. Thats partially why we have the lopsided matches. No oversight on teams prior performance.


This feels a little like a cop out. The refs hands are not tied, the refs just refuse to act in my experience. On top of that the league refuses to take action even with video evidence. Saying the league doesnt have power is also untrue as they can easily suspend the coach/club or even do more but they CHOOSE to do nothing. The bigger scandal than Socal Elite and more so harm will happen when a team/parents/club decide to SoCal Soccer League to the cleaners for inaction and misdirection of referees. I suspect that isnt far away given the way these games are being refereed.


That isnt how you count hourly pay. You only get paid for the time you are on the clock. 2 games - 140 minutes (30 minutes 2x halves and 10 min half time) = $56.57 and hour, i rounded when i said 60 an hour. When you go to work you dont start your 8 hour day from the time you leave your door to the time you get back home to calculate your hourly pay. Similarly you cant count the time in between games. I worked as a referee for 4 years through college in SoCal. Refereeing youth and adult leagues. I did this at a much lower rate as it was 20 years ago and i was still making a couple grand a month with it being a side gig. Yes the shortage is real and maybe we need to pay more but while we have incompetence being allowed and supplied by the league who is going to pay more?


From March of this year our team has suffered 2x concussions, 5x intentional stamps on the face (which we have on tape with coach complementing his players on it) and numerous dangerous plays (not clumsy - i am discounting those completely) egged on by the teams coach and parents. These are just the physical injuries. The ones that are worse are the psychological ones from what the opposition coaches and parents yell. I do not define referee/league inaction as limited to physical injuries but psychological and physical. At this age the phycological damage can be far worse than any physical injury that the other player can inflict. Also i am not just saying this on behalf of my child/team but on behalf of those parets like some have mentioned fear their kid being benched, not fully aware of their options or the odd one out on the team that notices the issue but is in the minority to speak up.


Completely agree and we have done that. This doesnt solve the problem though when you are playing in a league and then tournaments where the same teams come up against you. You can chose to forfeit but that only benefits the guilty team. Action should and needs to be taken / forced to be taken by the league or tournament host in each of these cases. But if everyone refuses to document and take action the subsequent host can be provided with previous documentation of the problem.


This eventual sale profit was made illegal in EU for contracts signed by parents on behalf of minors. I described this in some detail earlier. Clubs can have the same profit/commitment structure in the US as well as seen by the Kimbraugh contract at 13. Just because clubs havent caught on or chose not that shouldnt be used as an excuse. At the end of the day i am not faulting the clubs as i have stated on multiple occasions for being capitalist but i am saying the League needs to be better at regulation on several fronts.


This is the first i have heard of the red card list but cannot seem to find it anywhere on the site. If you have a link that would be great. The question is it even being enforced. At least 1 out 4 referees dont even bother verify player cards let alone check coach/parent cards in 7vs7.
I've got good news and bad news for you if you decide to stick with club soccer (and given everything you've said you may not want to). Good news first. If your kids is passionate about it and willing to put in the work, as he advances in age and level it gets better. The parents begin to relax a bit and realize the scores just aren't that important. The coaches aren't under as much tremendous pressure to win. You get a better class of referee. That said, it's not going to be perfect (they threatened to jump my kid a few weeks back and he needed a security escort).

The bad news is in the immediate future it's going to get worse. It's not a rare technique to see more unskilled teams lash out at more skilled teams as a way to keep the score level. There are systems of play, such as the Mexican style, that rely on physicality. There's a certain school of ref, called the "let 'em play" school, that doesn't believe the game should be overly disrupted for fouls that are trifling and they consider soccer a naturally physical game. The refs are overworked and don't want to find themselves in the middle of things with more paperwork when they are struggling just to go from game to game. The leagues are worried about lawsuits, and are reluctant to take action against their customers (which are the clubs, not the players) unless something is really egregious (again more paperwork, for which they don't have the staff, because they'll always be another side to the story that fights the ruling). Your kid will be called the N word, especially in southern California, again not frequently but also not rarely, sometimes from surprising directions (such as people of color and not just white people)...they'll say it in a way the ref doesn't overhear or in a way so the ref doesn't stop the game for a card. Many of the refs don't have the skill to manage a contentious game, which can quickly accelerate from minor fouls, to increasingly harder ones, to fights between players and even parents (yes there are now zero policy rules but it hasn't stopped it completely). The boys are going to get more mass, and their fuses shorter when the testosterone starts flowing. And the bad coaches are everywhere and if your kid is a skilled player that makes a difference in the game, they can be targeted...moreover the boys get more clever about the types of dirty play they can get away with or how to inflict maximum pain as they get smarter.

Worth it? Certainly not to me. Have been trying to get my player to quit for years. From the list of your many complaints (some of which is just impatience, or railing against certain difficult realities that you are just beginning to see as a newb, but this one in particular I regard as pretty legit), it may not be the right thing for you, and as others have pointed out, there are better options.
 
Again as I mentioned in the same post your gripe is more with US Soccer/US Club Soccer that with SOCAL, because it is their directives that are leading the leagues to hide/not post the scores. As I said I just quickly glanced at NORCAL and AZ and their's is the same.

For first year brackets their are no prior performances to go by. The only solution would be to have sort of massive pre-season tournament and base the flighting on that. I know for subsequent seasons the league (at least the used to ) use previous seasons results for the following season bracketing--I think you could petition to be re-bracketed if Im not mistaken
First of thanks for taking the time to help me break through this newb phase (you and everyone else here). I have checked with US Soccer actually there is no directive to hide scores. It seems to have become practice of of laziness and greater profits for the leagues.

I agree on the first year performances lack of info but the SOCAL league doesnt do anything for subsequent years either in the 7v7. it is still a free for all and you can register anywhere you want irrelevant of past performance. It would make sense for them to use previous season results but with them getting away with no repercussion for doing zilch why should they.

I was not quoting pay rates for IRS or fiscal purposes.... I am just simply saying when a current (or perspective) referee and the say to themselves"Is it worth it?" I promise you this is what they look at

Here's and example... Happens all the time in my assn. Someone drops and the assignor says I have an AR position that pays $45. Its just a single game that's available. Well our assn mandates we arrive 30 min before that game to inspect the field and allow for adequate time for check in etc. 60 min game, 10 min HT. So that's 1:40 for single game. That's the time I have to be there. So in reality its about $27.

My point is its not always as enticing as it seems.
this makes sense and i get it. at the same time if you want to make a profession it is possible and can net at least 2x the national income average.i averaged 60 to 70 hours a month in college refereeing games for 2k a month. only working 1 evening a week and weekends. The same amount of time now would net someone 3.5k to 4k a month as a side hustle. Whether or not that is valuable and worth it is a personal choice.

I will wee if I can attach the list, but for future. https://www.socalsoccerleague.org/, Resources, and its the frst on the list. This is just coaches and spectators.

BTW I agree enforcement is a mess. Problem is that the leagues allow photos and digital cards, and cards are no longer pulled by refers for RC offenses. And you can write in names day of the game. I would personally like to see game sheets frozen at midnight the night before a game.
Fines are pretty heavy if someone skirts a card but I am sure with lack of a better oversight system. We (refs) are supposed to keep a copy of all match rpeorts and I guess they can always retroactively enforce a fina and suspension.

And quickly to your point about checkin and cards. Part of the problem is that clubs schedule games so close together and the referees are in such a bind to stay on time (oftem because later they have to get to another field) that I am not surprised some do not check in the correct way.
Thanks for this....i checked all the sections except resources on the site....lol!

Personally i like the digital cards and no reason they cant be the norm. Get the ref to use his phone to pull the cards themselves from GS to verify. fill in the game sheet online and not have the coaches/managers do the work that the league and ref should be doing. I would be happy to pay the refs even double per game if i didnt have to get cash to them every game especially trying to go get change everytime. I have honestly given refs significantly more if they accept zelle/venmo/cashapp and saved me the hassle of getting change for the next game! Ideally include the ref fees in the league registration like a tournament.

The 7v7 refs here dont keep copies of game cards as they fill out a single sheet and hand it to the home team. Only reason i have copies is i have started taking pictures of the sheet if we are an away team. We have even had game sheets hand written becuase the ref dropped and stepped on the sheets tearing them.....he couldnt even bend over to pick up the torn pieces. Not sure how you can retroactively fine/suspend when the refs dont even care to write in the player numbers that score the goals. Half or more of sheets have tally marks for scores rather than player number and time.

The league games are not scheduled by the clubs but the league and in the 7v7 brackets in my experience the refs are always running late and dont care and that is purely down to their age and mobility and cannot move any faster.
 
First of thanks for taking the time to help me break through this newb phase (you and everyone else here). I have checked with US Soccer actually there is no directive to hide scores. It seems to have become practice of of laziness and greater profits for the leagues.

You are still blinded by newbie rage. It only takes moments to show that what you're saying is completely wrong on its face. Here are the documents on the US Soccer page that may be of interest, if you're actually interested in understanding instead of raging. Take a beat, read a bit more, and realize that your opinions aren't just counter to what SoCal League is doing, but what US Soccer has been recommending for all youth leagues for almost 10 years now.

Here's the directory on US Soccer's page: https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/bylaws-policies-and-documents/

I've attached some relevant docs pulled from there that may be helpful. Here are some key screenshots:

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Look at the one called Player-Development-Model-Oct-2013.pdf on their site, the PDF is too large to attach here.

Downplaying results / Hiding scores has absolutely zero to do with laziness for the league, or saving $8 on trophies. You continuing to repeat it cements the reality that you have no clue - and apparently little desire to find one.
 

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On a related note - I'd be interested in what the SoCal League's opinions would be about what you're doing with zapier.com to rebuild the scores table for U7 and sharing it widely to bypass the intention of the league. You can have your coach ask, or you (more realistically) should keep it on the down low rather than sharing how a team manager is breaking, if not league policies, the clear intent of the league's development goals for U7 teams.
 
Again as I mentioned in the same post your gripe is more with US Soccer/US Club Soccer that with SOCAL, because it is their directives that are leading the leagues to hide/not post the scores. As I said I just quickly glanced at NORCAL and AZ and their's is the same.

Thanks for this, I hadn't realized that NorCal had gone down a similar path - it looks like they are hiding U8 and below, and start to show results publicly at U9.
 
The league games are not scheduled by the clubs but the league and in the 7v7 brackets in my experience the refs are always running late and dont care and that is purely down to their age and mobility and cannot move any faster.

No problem at all I have learned tons on this board.

Just a couple quick notes, I actually personally enjoy the digital player cards too, I was just more referring to the aspect of teams being able to skirt red cards. Even in the past when we used to keep cards for a red card offense, photo of cards were still accepted so there was nothing stopping from the player the next game using a photo of their card instead of their physical card.

You are partially right on the fact that the league schedules games. The league only takes it up to the point of scheduling opponents on a given date. There used to be an arithmetic formula that they used to have in the handbook which related to each club having to afford X amount of field space for whatever given number of teams that they had. If I’m not mistaken, I think now they have to make a certain number of Saturdays and Sundays available.

The league will then set the opponents, for example, team Aversus team B Saturday, October 7. It’s then up to the Home team team A to set the time and location. Which is why you will often say, for example a coach that has multiple teams have three consecutive games all on the same field on a given day.
 
You are partially right on the fact that the league schedules games. The league only takes it up to the point of scheduling opponents on a given date. There used to be an arithmetic formula that they used to have in the handbook which related to each club having to afford X amount of field space for whatever given number of teams that they had. If I’m not mistaken, I think now they have to make a certain number of Saturdays and Sundays available.

The league will then set the opponents, for example, team Aversus team B Saturday, October 7. It’s then up to the Home team team A to set the time and location. Which is why you will often say, for example a coach that has multiple teams have three consecutive games all on the same field on a given day.

Yep - that's similar in all leagues we've been involved with. The league puts out a draft of the schedule listing which teams are playing which teams on what date - but with no time or place. The home team (typically the team manager), then needs to match those games to available field space given to them by their club (who obtains the field permits and availability info from the city or other body) at a specific time, to finalize the actual schedule. It usually works well for ~80% of the games, but there are always stragglers where it's necessary to go back and forth with the away team for weeks to find a date/time that works. The league then sets deadlines for when all games must be completed, and can apply pressure to teams that are not communicating properly to get the games scheduled/completed.
 
Could not agree more however if the referees are not reporting the issues and for the most part let the parents and coaches slide how is this ever oging to be corrected? I hope that if my kids continues to play as he get older we do see the improvement every one here mentions. That still shouldnt stop us from creating these standards to better safeguard the youngest brackets that appear to be shafted right now. And if that means reducing the number of games called "competitive" and making them recreational then so be it. To birds one stone.
Zero tolerance for ref abuse would be ideal, and it is doable, but......
Every so often, this or that league adopts a "zero tolerance" policy for ref abuse - and they always say something to the effect of "we really mean it." They tell the refs to throw people out upon the first instance of complaining. However, most old-timer refs wear it as a badge of honor that the abuse doesn't phase them, and they actually enjoy talking after the game about the crazy parents/coaches and their nonsense criticism. From my experience, it seems like part of the enjoyment for them. Then, the newby refs can be unsure of themselves when considering the fairly dramatic action of throwing someone out of their kids' soccer match. Especially when it's not clear which parent is the first one to shout or whether you actually heard what they said, etc. So it doesn't seem like it has worked so far. I'm unaware of any leagues who are currently enforcing a "zero tolerance" policy, despite the fact that all of them have instituted one in years past.
 
You are missing the fact that i have said from the start that a significant number of these games should even be deemed competitive and as such do not require a referee.
Then just schedule games with your kid and his school friends on the weekends. If your kid is great, and needs stiffer competition, invite the kids from the grade above him. That way you can control for the aspects of the crazy parents, the kids who can't stop with the tripping, etc. We did that when things were shut down for COVID and it was a blast.
 
How would you address an opposition coach in a U7 game yelling at half time loud enough that your boys can hear what he is saying:

"Sit your a$$ down and wake tf up. if you look at your parents or start crying you will never play for any club again. i promise you that soccer will be the last thing you will want to do. go out there make sure you hurt the other team. make sure they know you are there. kick, punch slide do whatever you need to i dont care!"

Yes we wrote to the league via the club. this was just 1 of the many incidents from that game. the ref refused to act on anything. the players did end up punching our boys in the backs/neck and trying to slide them out of the game. The ref refused to write anything up and just asked the boys to be substituted till eventually he called the game early. The ref was not a kid or young individual, he was at least 50 years old so inexperience wasnt an excuse either.

SoCal Soccer didnt respond with anything. this happened the second time we played the same team/coach and the league still didnt do anything. not saying that this has happens every game but the league does absolutely nothing for the 7v7 from the looks of it and their code of conduct etc is as Grace puts it very eloquently puffery!

Maybe we are dealing with it incorrectly or missing some key elements but from our experience in general it is that bad.
Just get it on video and send it to the league. Otherwise, it's just your word against theirs. If nothing happens, post it to Youtube. There are lots of channels there that will post clips of insane parents, incompetent refs and violent fouls. It will get the league's attention, even if it ultimately gets taken down.
 
5x intentional stamps on the face (which we have on tape with coach complementing his players on it) and numerous dangerous plays (not clumsy - i am discounting those completely) egged on by the teams coach and parents.
Post the video - it would be a public service
 
Just for the record, the English FA's youth guide (see Youth Football Guide download) doesn't suggest a competitive league until the U13/U14 level, and even then, it's optional. The younger ages are allowed occasional trophy events.

Youth football - Play & Participate | England Football
This! If I were king of US soccer, this is how I would do it at the younger ages. Get groups of kids together, enough to make at least 2 teams, preferably more, and have them practice together as a unit with multiple coaches and then you can break them up into teams for scrimmages. Nothing but that and futsal until about u14.
 
Just get it on video and send it to the league. Otherwise, it's just your word against theirs. If nothing happens, post it to Youtube. There are lots of channels there that will post clips of insane parents, incompetent refs and violent fouls. It will get the league's attention, even if it ultimately gets taken down.
It's on video and submitted to the League via our club with no action by the league. Posting online potentially prevents legal action if needed.
 
It's on video and submitted to the League via our club with no action by the league. Posting online potentially prevents legal action if needed.
If what you are saying is actually on video, and the league did nothing, then it needs to be posted here and on Youtube immediately to protect everyone from the culprits. If you're exaggerating or interpreting things that are actually debatable, then you could be exposing yourself to litigation by posting. In 1,000+ youth soccer games I've witnessed in my time as a parent, coach, ref, board member, I've never seen anything as bad as you describe. The place I've seen conduct like that is on Youtube videos, so I know it happens, but it's very uncommon.
 
You are still blinded by newbie rage. It only takes moments to show that what you're saying is completely wrong on its face. Here are the documents on the US Soccer page that may be of interest, if you're actually interested in understanding instead of raging. Take a beat, read a bit more, and realize that your opinions aren't just counter to what SoCal League is doing, but what US Soccer has been recommending for all youth leagues for almost 10 years now.
I appreciate the reference and have read these. It is possible i missed the directive from US Soccer on competitive play to be removed and diminished and/or played in a closed scoring system. I do see the Development Initiatives on coaching and development but did not come across anything that references my points.

Downplaying results / Hiding scores has absolutely zero to do with laziness for the league, or saving $8 on trophies. You continuing to repeat it cements the reality that you have no clue - and apparently little desire to find one.
My stance on laziness isnt solely based on the hidden scores and $8 trophies. It is the entire setup of the 7v7 system which i have justified on a few occasions in this thread. The only cost the SoCal Soccer League incurs for this is the use of the GS platform, approximately $8 per team per matchday, and a minimum wage employee initially setting up the brackets and. After that from what i have learnt here is updating a Red Card list weekly on their site. Outside of that there appears to be 0 expense and/or effort put in to the 7v7 bracket. This has been my experience in its totality. While i have gained a lot of valuable insight into youth soccer in the US and a lot of my assumptions/expectation curbed and a few changed based on the time everyone has put in to discuss this topic and educate me and hopefully some others, it doesnt change some of the things that are mismanaged / misrepresented / unaddressed by SoCal Soccer League and maybe US Soccer.

On a related note - I'd be interested in what the SoCal League's opinions would be about what you're doing with zapier.com to rebuild the scores table for U7 and sharing it widely to bypass the intention of the league. You can have your coach ask, or you (more realistically) should keep it on the down low rather than sharing how a team manager is breaking, if not league policies, the clear intent of the league's development goals for U7 teams.
I fail to see how any rule or intent is being broken and so does legal counsel. I appreciate your thought behind this but from a legal standing the only entity breaking any practice is SoCal Soccer League.
 
I appreciate the reference and have read these. It is possible i missed the directive from US Soccer on competitive play to be removed and diminished and/or played in a closed scoring system. I do see the Development Initiatives on coaching and development but did not come across anything that references my points.


My stance on laziness isnt solely based on the hidden scores and $8 trophies. It is the entire setup of the 7v7 system which i have justified on a few occasions in this thread. The only cost the SoCal Soccer League incurs for this is the use of the GS platform, approximately $8 per team per matchday, and a minimum wage employee initially setting up the brackets and. After that from what i have learnt here is updating a Red Card list weekly on their site. Outside of that there appears to be 0 expense and/or effort put in to the 7v7 bracket. This has been my experience in its totality. While i have gained a lot of valuable insight into youth soccer in the US and a lot of my assumptions/expectation curbed and a few changed based on the time everyone has put in to discuss this topic and educate me and hopefully some others, it doesnt change some of the things that are mismanaged / misrepresented / unaddressed by SoCal Soccer League and maybe US Soccer.


I fail to see how any rule or intent is being broken and so does legal counsel. I appreciate your thought behind this but from a legal standing the only entity breaking any practice is SoCal Soccer League.
Wait....so am I to gather from your legal statements that you are either suing or in the process of suing SoCal League? For a first year 7v7 soccer game??? Presumably it's because some injury resulted from the game in question, and not just because you think they are false advertising?????

I think the main concern Random was raising outside any legal context is political: that the league would be unhappy going around the restrictions has set up in light of the directives from US Soccer. Potentially they would have to answer to US Soccer why are you allowing parents to do that. That potentially has them taking an issue with your club. Which (unless you are the director of said club and it is yours) will make them not to happy with you and your player. So unless you have the backing of your club (not just the team because otherwise now it's just the coach you put on the hot seat), not exactly the wisests of moves politically, again separate from all the legalities.
 
I appreciate the reference and have read these. It is possible i missed the directive from US Soccer on competitive play to be removed and diminished and/or played in a closed scoring system. I do see the Development Initiatives on coaching and development but did not come across anything that references my points.

Then you either can't read, or can't understand the meaning of what you're reading. The intent of US Soccer is to minimize the focus on winning at all costs attitudes for the youngers, and focus instead on individual player development and maturation. If you can't see the direct and obvious actions that are being taken to attempt to implement that directive - you are either intentionally or unintentionally blind. I'm assuming the former, but it sounds like you're trying to convince everyone of the latter. Either way it's both tedious and ineffective.

I fail to see how any rule or intent is being broken and so does legal counsel. I appreciate your thought behind this but from a legal standing the only entity breaking any practice is SoCal Soccer League.

If you believe that the link to this thread isn't likely already in the hands of someone below, you are naive.


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"Hey Michelle - which U7 team was bitching about a 5 year old stomping on other kids, and sent us that useless video with legal threats? Check out what the guy is saying now online. Apparently he's contacted GotSport directly to get a PIN to recreate the full standings table for U7 and share it widely. Anyone talked to their DOC lately about expectations for the youngers?"
 
Then you either can't read, or can't understand the meaning of what you're reading. The intent of US Soccer is to minimize the focus on winning at all costs attitudes for the youngers, and focus instead on individual player development and maturation. If you can't see the direct and obvious actions that are being taken to attempt to implement that directive - you are either intentionally or unintentionally blind. I'm assuming the former, but it sounds like you're trying to convince everyone of the latter. Either way it's both tedious and ineffective.
You have apparently regressed back to name calling but thats fine. Since you are so good at comprehension please elaborate where it states to remove competition all together? Where does it state member organizations should engage in false marketing practices? Where does it state member organizations should charge for services and have the members do the work after paying? where does it state the league should provide incompetent supervision and lack of oversight? i can go on but lets start with this.

If you believe that the link to this thread isn't likely already in the hands of someone below, you are naive.
I dont have a problem with anyone having a link to the thread. I am hoping to effect change.

Wait....so am I to gather from your legal statements that you are either suing or in the process of suing SoCal League? For a first year 7v7 soccer game??? Presumably it's because some injury resulted from the game in question, and not just because you think they are false advertising?????
I retain the right to go to the District Attorneys office and have them take the case on. I am not looking to profit of this and/or sue the League in any capacity but will do what it takes to protect the rights and safety of the children on the team(s)

I think the main concern Random was raising outside any legal context is political: that the league would be unhappy going around the restrictions has set up in light of the directives from US Soccer. Potentially they would have to answer to US Soccer why are you allowing parents to do that. That potentially has them taking an issue with your club. Which (unless you are the director of said club and it is yours) will make them not to happy with you and your player. So unless you have the backing of your club (not just the team because otherwise now it's just the coach you put on the hot seat), not exactly the wisests of moves politically, again separate from all the legalities.
The information i have shared is freely available. My If the League has to respond to US Soccer about there incompetence and or laziness in setting up the correct structures that is on them. Maybe they will take heed of the issues that they have and incorporate positive change. It is not mine or the clubs responsibility to look out for the "happiness" of the League Management but it is our responsibility to look out for the safety and rights of our players and staff.
 
I am a new parent in US Club Soccer world. I grew up overseas and the systems were very different to what we see here. I have several questions and was hoping for some honest unbiased feedback:

SoCal league appears to be the only relatively functional system in our area right now. The others as seen from multiple threads have died of or are basically splinter organizations. However, SoCal Soccer League seems to have no oversight and/or systems in place to register teams accurately. Currently, they have both a U8 and U7 league for Fall. In the U8 brackets they have over 150 teams registered with more than 40% of them being U7/U6 teams.

(a) Why are they allowing teams that are the wrong age group to register? This appears to be an automatic rejection that can be plugged in to GotSport but they dont use it?
(b) Is there some valid reasoning to this?

The 7 vs 7 brackets are also now closed in looking at results (granted you can still retrieve them with a little common sense from gotsport) and the League is not going to recognize winners / runners up or acknowledge the performance of any team.

(c) Considering we pay the league fees, managers/coaches enter the scores, we print the teams sheets for the referee, pay the referee fees for each game, provide corner flags etc - what does the League do? Isnt this equivalent to us hiring and paying someone to do a job only for them to come over and watch you do the job your self? The entire 7 vs 7 section are glorified friendlies with with majority of the teams wrongly bracketed and/or even allowed to play club instead of having them play in a recreational league.

(d) Given that so many teams are wrongly registered in each age bracket and flight what kind of oversight is there on an organization like this to prevent abuse of children and parents from clubs and the league just milking them for their money? Looking at all the scores in many of the U8 and U9 brackets there only appears to 1 maybe 2 out of every 9/10 teams that actually should be in club soccer.

(e) Lastly, but most importantly given that SoCal Soccer never has any representatives at games and dont want to listen to feedback from Coaches / Managers who watches out for teams flagrantly violating the league rules especially those related around other coaches screaming and berating their own players?

Any feedback or insight in the world of club soccer at this age, league, systems etc is much appreciated!
Great questions and great responses from the folks. We have a big mess on our hands with youth soccer in SoCal. This is the Mecca they say. The best of the best is produced right here. About 2% of the paying customers seem happy though. I tried to speak up about many things in the past and they fell on deaf ears. We need a system like they have in Europe. I like what Spain does. This is a big money grab and big cash cow for some. There is no order of leagues, just the "my league is better than your league." No promotion or regulation in any league, just like MLS. I wish you guys all the best. I have a friend from Chile who has a dd who can flat out play the game the right way. I think she will be heading over to Spain next year and play on one the top academies.

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