Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.

[dad4]

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President Trump’s Plan to Protect Children from Left-Wing Gender Insanity

President Trump today announced his plan to stop the chemical, physical, and emotional mutilation of our youth.

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At some point, the left will realize that it looks bad to be the only one in the room who doesn't know what a woman is.

I'll still vote for grandpa if Trump's on the ballot, but not everyone agrees with me.

 

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At some point, the left will realize that it looks bad to be the only one in the room who doesn't know what a woman is.

I'll still vote for grandpa if Trump's on the ballot, but not everyone agrees with me.

Yes, I don't agree but we can still agree to disagree. We both agree that we have way too many ACL in girls soccer and the sport is like Rugby. We disagree about Grandpa and that's ok.

 

[SurFutbol]

No, I can't because it is not perfectly acceptable for a 17 year old HS junior to play JV.

That happens far more frequently, so why do you and your friends keep fixating only on trans children? Also, every day there are hundreds of soccer games being played in which a 13 year old girl is playing varsity against 17 and 18 year olds. Why aren't you focused on that? And why is it ok for a 13 year old girl to play against an entire team of 18 year olds, but you lose your mind if a 13 year old plays against the alleged functional equivalent of one 18 year old?

So are you saying that you support an outright ban on HS juniors playing JV regardless of the sport or context, or do you think that CIF and schools should look at multiple factors to determine what is appropriate, such as what sport is at issue and whether it can be done safely, whether the school's main goal is development or winning JV games, the extent to which the player is likely to have a negative impact on the "sanctity" of JV sports, whether any of the kids even care, etc.? You know, like what ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and others already do?

 

[SurFutbol]

At some point, the left will realize that it looks bad to be the only one in the room who doesn't know what a woman is.

I'll still vote for grandpa if Trump's on the ballot, but not everyone agrees with me.

This is such a transphobic bs trope. Literally no one believes that trans girls are biological girls. If your problem is semantics, though, feel free to ask ECNL and others to rename their girls' leagues "biological and trans girls" leagues. Problem solved.

If you're also such a transphobic f**k that you refuse to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun, you are in luck that the English language is expansive enough to allow anyone with half a brain to avoid having to use them at all. Of course, that half a brain thing opens a whole new can of worms for you.

It is curious that you feel the need to tell people that you won't vote for Trump. This is psych 101 that you are trying to convince people (including yourself) that you aren't all bad despite taking what you know is a pretty abysmal position. This is just a variation on what is called "moral licensing by proxy". You are trying to rationalize your awful beliefs on an issue by vaguely associating yourself with someone who actually isn't a shitbag.

 

[SurFutbol]

Let's here from what the Orange Man has to say on this topic. If The Lion Mr. Trump pulls off the upset in 2024, this is how he will handle things. Oh boy and oh joy, here we go again!! Buckle up buttle cups, it's about to get real gnarly!

President Trump’s Plan to Protect Children from Left-Wing Gender Insanity

President Trump today announced his plan to stop the chemical, physical, and emotional mutilation of our youth.

rumble.com

I find it fascinating that no one here seems to believe that trans girls have ever been better than their own mediocre little princesses, yet they claim that trans children constitute an existential threat to the future of youth soccer due to their overwhelming physical dominance.

How about your daughter? Was she better or worse than all the trans girls in her age group? Did she ever get trans-handled, so to speak? And I don't mean in your irrational "rape in the bathroom" kind of way. What I mean is whether your daughter was so pathetic athletically that she could not compete against teams that had a trans player.

 

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OK, good point Surfutbol

 

[SurFutbol]

Transgender Instagram model allegedly murdered dad, stabbed sister after 'argument over a laptop': prosecutors

Nikki Secondino, a 22-year-old transgender Instagram model, was indicted in Brooklyn for allegedly bludgeoning and stabbing her father to death while also nearly killing her sister.

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Transgender Instagram model allegedly murdered dad, stabbed sister after 'argument over a laptop': prosecutors

Prosecutors said Nikki Secondino "snapped" (you think?)

Nikki spotted her daddy asleep on the couch and bashed his head in with a hammer. That's not all cops said, Nick I mean Nikki, told investigators she "grabbed my favorite German steel knife and stabbed the shit out of him," the complaint says, according to the Post.

Nikki at first tried to blame the attack on a fabricated pair of robbers during a home invasion but later admitted to being behind the bloody rampage. Just 40 minutes after police arrived at the scene, she told officers, "They took my fucking family. Two men broke into the kitchen. They left through the window in the kitchen. They stabbed my father and sister. They tied me up. They tried to rape me," court filings say.

In a 2020 interview on the "United We Rant" podcast, Nikki Secondino said she was born Nicholas Secondino but transitioned to being a woman in her late teens, adding that her dad was supportive (and all you do is stab him to death Nikki?), according to the Post. She was sent back to Rikers Island, where she remains held without bail. Please do NOT release Nikki. Sad story. Seems like a nice dad too, Super supportive and all she does is kill her old man. I feel sick.

Aaron Hernandez, Rae Carruth, Marcus Randle EL, Kevin Ware, Anthony Smith, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice. By your logic, I guess this means that heterosexual men should be barred from playing football?

So was your daughter so athletically challenged that she couldn't compete against the trans players who were her age or not?

 

[dad4]

This is such a transphobic bs trope. Literally no one believes that trans girls are biological girls. If your problem is semantics, though, feel free to ask ECNL and others to rename their girls' leagues "biological and trans girls" leagues. Problem solved.

If you're also such a transphobic f**k that you refuse to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun, you are in luck that the English language is expansive enough to allow anyone with half a brain to avoid having to use them at all. Of course, that half a brain thing opens a whole new can of worms for you.

It is curious that you feel the need to tell people that you won't vote for Trump. This is psych 101 that you are trying to convince people (including yourself) that you aren't all bad despite taking what you know is a pretty abysmal position. This is just a variation on what is called "moral licensing by proxy". You are trying to rationalize your awful beliefs on an issue by vaguely associating yourself with someone who actually isn't a shitbag.

I'd explain why the Democratic party has a problem here, but I'm not a biologist.

Maybe you can ask James Carville to explain it to you.

 

[Happened again]

Literally no one believes that trans girls are biological girls. I

You are a literal idiot- there is an entire business being driven by people who are creating the idea that a trans female can become a bio female. Are you part of that idiot train? What a disgusting thing for you to say - you certainly hate women.

 

[Maximus09]

That happens far more frequently, so why do you and your friends keep fixating only on trans children? Also, every day there are hundreds of soccer games being played in which a 13 year old girl is playing varsity against 17 and 18 year olds. Why aren't you focused on that? And why is it ok for a 13 year old girl to play against an entire team of 18 year olds, but you lose your mind if a 13 year old plays against the alleged functional equivalent of one 18 year old?

So are you saying that you support an outright ban on HS juniors playing JV regardless of the sport or context, or do you think that CIF and schools should look at multiple factors to determine what is appropriate, such as what sport is at issue and whether it can be done safely, whether the school's main goal is development or winning JV games, the extent to which the player is likely to have a negative impact on the "sanctity" of JV sports, whether any of the kids even care, etc.? You know, like what ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and others already do?

Because the topic of this thread is trans kids.

I don't think you care for an answer to your questions lol

 

[Maximus09]

You are absolutely right, so maybe you should ask your friends to stop comparing youth soccer to a race.

In soccer, players race for the ball.

 

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[dad4]

If you are going to refuse to consider the legitimate the interests of trans girls, …

I just don’t see entering XX events as a legitimate interest of any XY athlete.

A transgirl without hormone reduction has all the advantages of being a boy, and none of the disadvantages of being a girl. Even with hormone reduction, they retain the muscle nuclei, lung capacity, and bone structure of a boy.

I do believe that transgirls have a legitimate interest in entering boys events, and being allowed to play with their XY peers.

If anything, the better question is why transgirls don’t win boys events more often. There’s no real reason they shouldn’t.

 

[crush]

If anything, the better question is why transgirls don’t win boys events more often. There’s no real reason they shouldn’t.

That's why Lia "The Transgender Swimmer" that won 1st place in all female swim race is of grave concern for so many. And it's not because the 2nd place swimmer sucked and wasn't really good enough to win Gold at the Swim Meet up. This is 100% concern for 90% of us, regardless if you support Grampa or Nikki Haley. Have you heard about Felix the futbol player who was not playing much with the boys and is now Felicia? Just wait dad, this is only starting. Mike is now Michele, Robert is now Bobbi, Bret is now Britney and Bruce is Caitlyn. I like how Bruce decided to spell Caitlyn.

 

[SurFutbol]

You are a literal idiot- there is an entire business being driven by people who are creating the idea that a trans female can become a bio female. Are you part of that idiot train? What a disgusting thing for you to say - you certainly hate women.

Is that what your crazy alt nutter media is feeding you? Are you losing your mind that a hoard of trans people are going to have "sex changes", rape your children, and then take over the world? You obviously have no idea what gender affirming surgery is and isn't. Gender affirming surgery can help someone become closer physically to their gender identity, but it obviously doesn't make you the other gender biologically. Although you obviously don't want to live in reality, the truth is that those who choose to undergo gender affirming procedures go through a rigorous process that involves significant counseling and discussion about what these procedures do and don't. One of the things that is almost always discussed - although anyone with a brain instead of a transphobic pos bias like you - is that although the procedures can change a person physically to be more in line with their actual gender identity, there are significant limits that do not make the the other sex biologically. The only literal idiot here is you. I hate to break this to you, but all the hysteria you see at NewsMax and OANN is b.s.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with a trans child playing kiddie sports.

 

[Soccer Dad & Ref]

Let's here from what the Orange Man has to say on this topic. If The Lion Mr. Trump pulls off the upset in 2024, this is how he will handle things. Oh boy and oh joy, here we go again!! Buckle up buttle cups, it's about to get real gnarly!

President Trump’s Plan to Protect Children from Left-Wing Gender Insanity

President Trump today announced his plan to stop the chemical, physical, and emotional mutilation of our youth.

rumble.com

Piece of sh*t. That is how Nazis got their start. F'ing fascist

 

[dad4]

I think we got here through a combination of misogyny and anti-gay bias.

The macho types in charge of sports are likely to see girls sports as unimportant, but also to see gay athletes as inherently weaker.

From that perspective, putting a XY trans athlete in the women’s division makes sense. But it only makes sense if you see the trans XY athlete as inherently inferior to a cis XY athlete, and you also see the girls’ league as inherently inferior to the boys’ league.

 

[SurFutbol]

I just don’t see entering XX events as a legitimate interest of any XY athlete.

A transgirl without hormone reduction has all the advantages of being a boy, and none of the disadvantages of being a girl. Even with hormone reduction, they retain the muscle nuclei, lung capacity, and bone structure of a boy.

I do believe that transgirls have a legitimate interest in entering boys events, and being allowed to play with their XY peers.

If anything, the better question is why transgirls don’t win boys events more often. There’s no real reason they shouldn’t.

I think what you meant to say is that a trans girl without hormone reduction has all the biological advantages of being a boy, but none of the biological disadvantages of being a girl. You completely ignore, however, that trans girls have all the other disadvantages of being trans.

No matter how much all of you try to completely ignore the legitimate interests of trans children, they exist and are the reason all of you keep whining like babies that leagues like CIF and ECNL allow them to participate. They don't give two f**ks about your whiny concerns that your little princess might lose a soccer game because maybe some transgender child has slightly higher lung capacity and "muscle nuclei" than if she had been born a biological female (but still has less of both than many of her teammates), because they realize this is inconsequential to more important societal considerations.

Keep on whining. No trans child is going to rape your daughter in the bathroom. She'll never see a trans girls' pee pee in a group shower. She'll never get hurt because of trans' girl's "physical advantages." Given that neither you nor anyone else has admitted that your daughter's can't compete athletically against trans girls, it also seems pretty clear that no trans girl will ever have a meaningful impact on the result of a game in which she plays. But she might actually learn some valuable lessons in inclusivity and, unlike her transphobic daddy, that trans children aren't scary and children's games are just children's games no matter how much her dad's self-esteem depends on her winning trophies. Allowing trans participation is likely to cause children like your daughter to learn some perspective in life. Is this what you're really afraid of? That she won't hate trans people like you? That she will put kiddie sports in a more appropriate context in society? Are you really just terrified that this will be what causes her to call b.s. on a transphobic god that you hold dear?

 

[SurFutbol]

I think we got here through a combination of misogyny and anti-gay bias.

The macho types in charge of sports are likely to see girls sports as unimportant, but also to see gay athletes as inherently weaker.

From that perspective, putting a XY trans athlete in the women’s division makes sense. But it only makes sense if you see the trans XY athlete as inherently inferior to a cis XY athlete, and you also see the girls’ league as inherently inferior to the boys’ league.

Wow, that is some serious mental gymnastics to rationalize the irrational. I think you forgot the part about how winning and lo

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Keep these coming. This is exactly why it is important to allow trans girls to play with other girls. The next generation needs to learn that trans people are not dangerous and deserve dignity and respect, and that it is really their unemployed, uneducated transphobic shitbag daddies who deserve the derision of their children.

 

[Grace T.]

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I think we got here through a combination of misogyny and anti-gay bias.

The macho types in charge of sports are likely to see girls sports as unimportant, but also to see gay athletes as inherently weaker.

From that perspective, putting a XY trans athlete in the women’s division makes sense. But it only makes sense if you see the trans XY athlete as inherently inferior to a cis XY athlete, and you also see the girls’ league as inherently inferior to the boys’ league.

a. What do you mean by "inferior". If in development, at least as far as youth soccer is concerned, girl's leagues are inferior to the boy's league because of the way we structured it (not inherently). The boys have a pro academy system from which (in conjunction with Europe) the national teams are drawn. The girls do not. That's why these forums are always filled with people complaining about how the ECNL competition is diluted and such and such teams don't deserve to be in ECNL. Don't come crying to me about that: our fellow forum posters are the ones always complaining.
b. If by "inferior" you mean lower performing, well that's an inherent part of your argument why women's leagues need to protected. They aren't as good as the men. The Quakes u15 team recently beat the chinese national women's adult team. Women's soccer is just lesser performing than the US, which explains attendance and revenues figures for women's sports. So why have separate leagues if women are lesser in sports? Because women deserve to participate in sports as well and would otherwise be pushed out by the men.
c. "But it only makes sense if you see the trans xy athlete as inherently inferior to the cis xy athlete". They'll have a range of distribution just like any one else, so the odds are that the trans athlete (who because of body image likely doesn't view themselves as macho and hasn't put time into weight lifting) will have a higher bell curve than the xx athletes but any trans athlete might fall inferior to the top performing xx athletes.
d. Conversely, the issue with trans xy v cis xy isn't just that the trans xy athlete isn't likely in the weight room trying to bulk up (because they don't want people like you to make fun of their appearance, as you have suggested on these boards that they are "obvious"). But, if you put the trans xy on testosterone blockers and female hormones, at that point they are biologically inferior to the cis xy athlete and their bell curve is shifted. In the very same way you argue that a trans xy athlete is not balanced to an xx athlete, a trans athlete either chemically or surgically altered is not balanced to an xy athlete. So there is nothing "fair" about leaving them to compete with a cis xy athlete. You are left with three choices: a. put them somewhere where someone is disadvantaged, b. separate competition, or c. try to scientifically create a balance (and the jury is still out on whether c. is achievable). The bell curve of the xy athlete on an alteration is inherently inferior to that of a cis male, the same way an xx athlete is, but perhaps not in degree
e. equating gay people with trans people is the absolute height of anti-gay bigotry. I'm personally offended.

 

[Grace T.]

I just don’t see entering XX events as a legitimate interest of any XY athlete.

A transgirl without hormone reduction has all the advantages of being a boy, and none of the disadvantages of being a girl. Even with hormone reduction, they retain the muscle nuclei, lung capacity, and bone structure of a boy.

I do believe that transgirls have a legitimate interest in entering boys events, and being allowed to play with their XY peers.

If anything, the better question is why transgirls don’t win boys events more often. There’s no real reason they shouldn’t.

This is unscientific nonsense Mr. The Science. "they retain the muscle nuclei, lung capacity, and bone structure of a boy". They don't. There is some reduction in their overall performance, and in part it depends when they started. It's not 100% which is where the science and the debate really is: when, if ever, does it balance out to the xx. But we also know that there's a reduction vis-a-vis the cis xy. "There's no real reason they shouldn't". Yes, there is....it depends on the amount of testosterone reduction there is. The problem from a scientific point of view is that their bell curve is neither equivalent to the cis xx female or the cis xy male.