Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.
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GLangevinito
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They can't compete? Well, let's apply SurFutbol's logic here - oh well, then they are not good enough and should play at a rec level.
Like it or not, someone is disadvantaged in this scenario. You would prefer it to be the natural born girl. I would prefer it to be the natural born boy who is choosing to transition.
You left out that you are also punishing the natural born girl who is transitioning since people are moving both ways. Key words: You are focused in on the people "who are transitioning" but I have yet to hear a good reason why....what's the rational? I agree there are winners and losers and it's all quite arbitrary who you assign to win or lose. My main point is for youth sports we don't care because we don't care about the overt cheaters, and I don't want to set up a system like in Utah where cis girls are targeted on suspicion of being transgendered. Until you police the cheaters (and I have yet to hear one of you say, yes absolutely let's police it, I'd be willing to have my DD drug tested), I really don't see anything to the fairness argument. Unless you are prepared to let the FTM remain in the female category for as long as they like, I really don't see anything to the biology argument. Unless you are prepared to catch the genetic abnormal, I don't see anything to the genetics argument. And unless you are prepared to advocate for height and weight limitations, I don't see anything to the safety argument here.
For the higher levels such as college I get the argument that there's no perfect solution here. But that leads you a conclusion you aren't going to like: separate leagues for both the trans and nonbinaries. If so, those scholarships got to come from somewhere.
Soccer Dad & Ref
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Dude, go to the Off Topic with your crazy
Jose has returned
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Why can't a 18 year old identify as a 14 year old and play at that age group?
My son has a friend and former teammate whose back was broken when he was 6/7. Severely impacted his height but the kid was one of the great soccer players skill wise that I've seen. He was overlooked by the academy and tier 2 teams because of his height (he was a foot shorter than my son around age 13...around the 15th percentile of height). Why should that kid at age 12 play with the super tall and practically man like kid and have to compete against that the supertall kid for an academy slot?
The 18 year old identifying as a 14 year old thing you know is a canard. The trans thing is a condition which if you want to set up some standards to ensure it's not just a guy declaring himself as a gal I think that's fine. But don't tell me there's fairness if forcing my son's friend at age 12 to play in the same league as some kid who is prematurely practically an adult. On a shoulder to shoulder challenge you get the same result as crush's kid squeeking and knocked on that video he showed.
Based on my kids’ friends, quite a few kids are trans, but very few actually go on puberty suppressants, hormone replacement, or surgery. Their transition is purely social.
In other words, most FTM trans athletes are still ordinary XX athletes, and most MTF trans athletes are still ordinary XY athletes. They can be included alongside their respective XX and XY peers. Or, for FTM, they might choose to play a lower level just to be with the guys.
You can talk about making a special set of rules for the few who are further into transition, but then you’re creating a sports reason to have a medical procedure. That’s not a good idea.
Are you trying to say that if players are shorter than the rest of the team they should play down in age?
Ridiculous nonsense. Are we going to define teams based on height. Like the being the minimum height to ride on a roller coaster?
Also (just for fun) biological boys shouldnt be allowed to play on biological girls teams.
The reverse incentive is true. If you in college cut off mtf who have gone through boy puberty you are creating a sports reason to transition early. Not a good idea either. But hey we found some common ground: not a good idea to incentivize kids to go into medical procedures early
Yes absolutely if we care about fairness. It no secret that two of the main factors in picking kids for higher level team at young ages is how close are they to the age line and how tall are they. If you really care about a level playing field group by weight height and development. If your tall 11 year old goes from being a superstar to an above average player playing with the 13 year olds so be it.
Ps the kids who are playing on false papers are effectively playing down a year to get a competitive advantage
GLangevinito
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Yes, both the born male who went through puberty as a male who now has female testosterone levels and the born female who went through puberty as a female and now has male testosterone levels have athletic advantages over born females who have female testosterone levels. Both FTM and MTF individuals should both compete against males.
Your fervent desire for inclusivity will eventually kill female sporting opportunities.
Ok Mr. Normal Dad & Ref.......lol!
Well, we need to be fair to EVERYONE Carlsbad. Look man, the "men" see more they can grab if some of them can say they want to be female. Just saying the magic words, "I am female" gives that man every right to now compete on female only leagues and use the females locker room and bathroom and ain't no one can take that right from this group of humans.
I don't have a fervent desire for inclusivity. You just simply refuse to listen. I think accommodations should be extended but there's a balancing act. On the youth level, this means barring the creation of a girl's academy system geared at creating the USWNT and pro athletes, include them (since you aren't doing anything to exclude the cheaters....I have YET to hear 21 threads later a single one of you on this topic say yes we should go after the cheaters....the closest anyone has come is dad4 who said he was antidoping but hasn't said he's really prepared to do anything about it). There's no justifiable reason to exclude them (not one of you has yet to articulate one that is consistent with your positions on the rest of fairness).
On the college level, I actually agree with you that the testosterone test is the best one to be applied. But that doesn't necessarily mean excluded athletes for either direction. The science is evolving on this particular issue and I'm open to the argument that yes the standards need to be more rigorous than they are now to avoid leahs. But if you can't set some standard short of exclusion, then the answer is separate leagues, and to provide scholarship opportunities taken from the other categories. I have yet to hear anyone say "yeah let's do that" either.
More states need to make sports gambling legal. Once this happens biological boys wont be able to play on biological womens teams anymore.
As others have said theres going to be a day when a top mens team decides to call themselves women + run the league + bet on themselves for every game.
100% agree.
The rules committee will come up with some rule that says only 3 Transgenders allowed per roster and only 2 can be on the game day roster of 18. Fairness is important bro. You can start one of them and save the other for a special time during the match.
Paranoid. Also moronic.
Even assuming for the sake of argument that a team of men said they were transgender so they could beat a women's team, any legal sports gambling odds would reflect this, moron. Worse, it is a million times more likely that they would bet against themselves and play to lose you idiot or at least not cover the spread since that it easily controllable and far easier to make money than having to actually beat the spread, you idiot. But your paranoid theory also ignores that, once again, the problem is not trans people, it is transphobic shitbags like you who are doing the cheating and abusing. Yet again, you want to punish trans people for the abysmal behavior of transphobes.
No one is following you on the “let’s find the cheaters” bandwagon, because you haven’t shown that there are cheaters to find. You might as well be saying “let’s go unicorn hunting”.
I know a couple (it was really the guy) that went looking for a Unicorn to join their family. My pal loved the hunting part but in the process he lost his wife to another. A Wolf in Unicorn clothing can ruin a marriage.
