Vaccine

One of the arguments being made here by a few people is the initial downplaying of masks broke down trust between the government entities and the general population. It seems having a stockpile of PPEs that would cover our medical/nursing staff would allow for more transparency and trust in future messaging. Instead it was a shit show out of the gate.
I knew what angle you were coming from, because you say things in plain English...others not so much.
 
Right, this is what I'm saying :) Obama and Trump admins absolutely should've replenished SNS; hard to justify 10+ years of neglect here.

Though I think even having enough just for medical/nursing staff would've helped with transparency a bit. Obviously making sure we weren't dependent on other countries for supply chains would've helped significantly as well. Hope we're not sweeping all of this under the rug.
I suspect we are ignoring it, and that we can add :oops: Biden to your list of :) Obama and :mad: Trump.
 
To be fair the entire Trump administration played down the virus in the beginning -- they all lied. Mask hoarding was already happening when we just had 5 covid-19 cases: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/health/coronavirus-masks-hoarding.html

I personally think the biggest failing, and I have no ida where this lands, is why wasn't our national stockpile ready to go? If there was confidence around that, surely they could've been more transparent with the population.
Wrong. Just wait dude. Trump push therapeutic and he got mocked by folks like you saying he's stupid for want to inject bleach. Horse dewormer ring a bell? TDS is going strong I see. t can't do anything right, right? Oh boy, just wait.
 
I'm 100% for vaccine by choice.
I bet you $25,000 right now that you will 100% eat that statement with some crow. I am 100% a big fat no!!! Always have been and I will always say no to that. Disaapointed Watty but I pray for you to see the Light someday. Their trying to kill you, wtf up!
 
I don't know why I bother since you just spin my words. I didn't say it impacted infertility, I asked a question. That is what a question mark means. We know it impacts the fertility process which begs the question how does it impact actually getting pregnant? We don't know yet because not enough time has passed. Since it impacts the fertility process in some women its reasonable to think it might impact actual fertility.
Your stuck sitting on fence. I'm like a pit bull trying to get you and Dad is like a fake puppy lying his ass off everyday. I guess you feel safe up on your fence....lol
 
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You guys need to get your head out of the sand. Their normalizing men being a women as normal for a real reason. This never ever happen before until now. Lia is up for "NCAA Women of the Year." This guy in the AF thinks he knows about your health and how to eat right and he took a job a way from real women. You think he's the only man acting as women at high level? Just wait you guys. I will be gone for a few days after tonight so you can continue your ground hog day. I am shocked so many of you are blind. God bless you guys and I hope you start to wake asap. I will never be Pro Choice for the V only Pro life. Karma is coming very big for some. No ability to have kids because you don't want kids to be born. So no kids for you with that attitude. How could I sit on the fence when I know this jab has killed my friends and neighbors. I'm shocked!!!
 
So, you do understand where all the lack of trust comes from.

For what it's worth, I don't think I've ever denied that the initial response by our administration to covid-19 set the stage for how the general population responded. I think for me it's never been just Fauci's fault, and I've been able to discern why the Trump administration (including Fauci) took the approach they did (who knows if Trump was more worried about the election versus PPE hoarding). They all knew SNS wasn't going to meet our needs as a country, so they had to downplay everything to prevent hoarding as much as possible. A shit show out of the gates.
 
So, you do understand where all the lack of trust comes from.


I've been through the Birx book now. It basically confirms everything that the Scott Atlas book said happened:

-Trump (and Fauci for that matter) were in denial about what was heading their way. Birx saw it early on, and tried to get people to focus on it, but Trump and his advisors didn't want to believe it was going to happen and thought that like SARS1, it would be contained in Asia
-Birx lied to the admin about 15 days to slow the spread. She sold it that way knowing that 15 days wouldn't be enough, but told the admin it would be a way to get it under control. Trump ate it up because he was desperate to have the issue gone and not ruin his reelection chances. He got played. Birx, not Fauci, was the architect of the lockdowns.
-Birx had a cozy relationship with Pence going way back. Pence was her defensive lineman, giving her cover to enact a pro-restriction agenda. Pence was put in charge of the COVID task force. Pence basically deferred to her running it.
-The reason the lockdowns were structured the way they were was because it had to be sold to Trump that we weren't doing China or even Italy. For example, Birx settled on 10 people per gathering because that would stop superspreader events like weddings and funerals but her real number was zero, but she didn't think it would be palatable to the Trump admin.
-By summer, the jig was up and Trump realized he had been played. Trump sloshed around looking an advisor to help him understand it so brought in Scott Atlas. Scott Atlas' entrance on the seen is why we didn't have further lockdowns (at first informally and then joining the admin). He and Birx were instantly at war and Birx went around, with full cover from Pence, individually to the governors to try and get them to extend the restrictions. Atlas's main deficiency was he didn't know how the bureaucratic game was played, while Birx with years working in government was very adept at it.
-Birx worked to actively undermine the admin's position, entering into an alliance with Fauci and Redfield against Atlas (each pledging to resign if any one of them was fired or moved over). When instructed to change messaging from the admin, she'd often just rework it to hide whatever messaging she wanted included. She practically fesses up and is proud that she worked to undermine the Trump admin's decision from within because she disagreed with them.
 
Two year delta to the day from Q. Q is only talking about Leadership with the [D]. Common D peasants get a pass if you capitulate. If you take the side of the [D] leadership then you choose wrong.

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I've been through the Birx book now. It basically confirms everything that the Scott Atlas book said happened:

-Trump (and Fauci for that matter) were in denial about what was heading their way. Birx saw it early on, and tried to get people to focus on it, but Trump and his advisors didn't want to believe it was going to happen and thought that like SARS1, it would be contained in Asia
-Birx lied to the admin about 15 days to slow the spread. She sold it that way knowing that 15 days wouldn't be enough, but told the admin it would be a way to get it under control. Trump ate it up because he was desperate to have the issue gone and not ruin his reelection chances. He got played. Birx, not Fauci, was the architect of the lockdowns.
-Birx had a cozy relationship with Pence going way back. Pence was her defensive lineman, giving her cover to enact a pro-restriction agenda. Pence was put in charge of the COVID task force. Pence basically deferred to her running it.
-The reason the lockdowns were structured the way they were was because it had to be sold to Trump that we weren't doing China or even Italy. For example, Birx settled on 10 people per gathering because that would stop superspreader events like weddings and funerals but her real number was zero, but she didn't think it would be palatable to the Trump admin.
-By summer, the jig was up and Trump realized he had been played. Trump sloshed around looking an advisor to help him understand it so brought in Scott Atlas. Scott Atlas' entrance on the seen is why we didn't have further lockdowns (at first informally and then joining the admin). He and Birx were instantly at war and Birx went around, with full cover from Pence, individually to the governors to try and get them to extend the restrictions. Atlas's main deficiency was he didn't know how the bureaucratic game was played, while Birx with years working in government was very adept at it.
-Birx worked to actively undermine the admin's position, entering into an alliance with Fauci and Redfield against Atlas (each pledging to resign if any one of them was fired or moved over). When instructed to change messaging from the admin, she'd often just rework it to hide whatever messaging she wanted included. She practically fesses up and is proud that she worked to undermine the Trump admin's decision from within because she disagreed with them.
Scott is my buddy. You have the Trump thing wrong but someone has to fill in for you guys. The military had two choices, coup or get t in office in 2016. It was Generals who asked Mr. Trump ((Cyrus from Isaiah 45)). Your all watching moving and it's almost over. Soon all of you will have your eyes opened, ears cleared of all the BS wax that was shoved down your head all these years. Dr. Scott is amazing and I love him so much.
 
For what it's worth, I don't think I've ever denied that the initial response by our administration to covid-19 set the stage for how the general population responded. I think for me it's never been just Fauci's fault, and I've been able to discern why the Trump administration (including Fauci) took the approach they did (who knows if Trump was more worried about the election versus PPE hoarding). They all knew SNS wasn't going to meet our needs as a country, so they had to downplay everything to prevent hoarding as much as possible. A shit show out of the gates.

The Birx and Atlas books both agree that from the get go Fauci was as clueless as Trump. He had convinced himself it wouldn't be a problem and the Chinese would contain itself. It's why he opposed initially the Navarro travel ban. The early stuff was all Birx.

The books also confirm that early on Trump was in denial and basically got played by the health care wonks into doing stuff he wouldn't want to do. He didn't realize until summer that he had gotten played. He downplayed it because he didn't want to realize that his election chances were probably going to go up in a puff of smoke and that the stock market would crash and the US sent into a recession (one which was avoided only by the massive spending package Congress enacted).
 
The Birx and Atlas books both agree that from the get go Fauci was as clueless as Trump. He had convinced himself it wouldn't be a problem and the Chinese would contain itself. It's why he opposed initially the Navarro travel ban. The early stuff was all Birx.

The books also confirm that early on Trump was in denial and basically got played by the health care wonks into doing stuff he wouldn't want to do. He didn't realize until summer that he had gotten played. He downplayed it because he didn't want to realize that his election chances were probably going to go up in a puff of smoke and that the stock market would crash and the US sent into a recession (one which was avoided only by the massive spending package Congress enacted).
Brix is going to jail
 
Not sure i told you guys all this but back like three years ago I had a dream that America was crying and saying sorry to Trump the Chump. You all have TDS. It's classic to see how you guys are now blaming t again. Don;t fall for it you guys. Were never going back and ALL OF THIS IS ABOUT SOMETHING MUCG BIGGER THAN TRUMP. Please, trust me on this and get your house in order because someone is coming to take over and He has help with him. When darkness comes you will be in despair and be told by the liars you all to listen to that the world is going to be destroyed. It's call the, "The Scare Event."
 
No, because she did everything with the full backing and at least the implicit knowledge of Pence, at least that's what she alleges. Pence, among other issues, has been remarkably silent about all this and his role in it.
p.s. remarkably unmentioned in her book is her resignation. Her thanksgiving gathering with her extended family, which she at first tried to explain away with work being done at the house, and then cited the prolonged isolation of various generations of her family (as if others weren't suffering from extreme loneliness) at a time when she was campaigning for the governors to implement new restrictions as winter approached.
 
No, because she did everything with the full backing and at least the implicit knowledge of Pence, at least that's what she alleges. Pence, among other issues, has been remarkably silent about all this and his role in it.
This was all planned. I didn't say Brix would be the only one arrested. She is covering her ass and blaming the same guy(s) always blame. Trust me Grace t, I know the scoop on this and you know it. I'm here to help all of you. I'm just an unschooled and a dumb dumb that you will understand later that I'm not so dumb after all and actually very connected. I love you. Do not panic and fret you guys. Help is on the way. Have you seen the pics of the tunnels off the coast of LA? These are monsters were dealing with.
 
p.s. remarkably unmentioned in her book is her resignation. Her thanksgiving gathering with her extended family, which she at first tried to explain away with work being done at the house, and then cited the prolonged isolation of various generations of her family (as if others weren't suffering from extreme loneliness) at a time when she was campaigning for the governors to implement new restrictions as winter approached.
She didn't have a choice just like Bill Gates is giving all his riches away. WTF does that Grace? Who walks into a Computer store and drops off his sins for the last 30 years? The Hunter will be the Hunted-Q
 
silly goose, good thing you arent a girl doctor - and there are many out there. Thank you for your male boomer response. Tell me again how what the long term studies show? take a peek at the latest science on vaccines and menstruation. You'll have to swim through the nonsense science of who/what can menstruate but you get the picture. Not only can fever as a result of covid cause infertility, but so can any fevers. You linky is quite dated by the way, science tends to move fast for some in the boomer world.

I dunno, maybe menstruation is tied to reproduction. But thanks again for being a boomer - this one I will treasure. Besides, long term studies are long term studies but we've only been doing this for a few years. Increased blood flow for post menapausal women just normal right. Go boomer..
You didn't read the linked article?
 
For those of you keeping track, the latest line of thinking to emerge from the elite expert class is that what we are experiencing in the GNP is not a recession, but rather a transitory slowdown that will bring inflation under control and won't have the impact that recession normally does.

What amazes me about the Iraq War, the 2008 crisis, and COVID is that they don't understand once they unleash these forces, they take on a life of their own, and who knows where it all lands. It's like a little boy releasing a ton of marbles in the air and thinking they will all land gently inside of the circle, instead of banging against each other into god knows what direction.

The one thing I'll never understand about the COVID reaction or these other crisis is the hubris: the belief that somehow we finally know enough that we can actually control things. As if our thousands of years of experience within civilization has melted away because we finally have met some level of perfection.
 
Here is the expert you all are relying on. They lie when they talk. Dr. Fraud will be gone and now Dr. Levine will take over? I mean you guys, please listen to this stuff. This is your Doc. God helps us all.
"Men who have sex with men are most likely be getting the Monkeypox." Dr Levine.
 
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