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depends - such is science. I mean, is the vaccine weirdly impacting women? what does the science say? better questions, what did the keepers of the science not tell you?
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Idiot.
How COVID-19 (and the Vaccine) Can Impact Your Fertility
Let’s cut to the chase: There’s no credible scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccine has a negative impact on fertility. What can impact your fertility, though, is getting COVID-19, which means there’s just one more reason to get vaccinated.
health.clevelandclinic.org
There is no secret decoder ring. Science is just hard. If you want easy, there are plenty of healing crystals and homeopathic remedies waiting for you.
The science community doesn’t circle the wagons so much as ignore you. They can run experiments and publish the results. But, at the end of the day, there isn’t much they can do if you prefer to believe the latest twitter conspiracy theory.
So, if you like, you can believe that masks do nothing, that bars and restaurants don’t spread covid, or that vaccines cause infertility.
You are also allowed to treat cancer by having a mystic realign your energy centers.
Again I'm not basing it on any conspiracy theories, I'm basing it on actual results, but thanks again for the mischaracterization. At least your consistent.
I'm 100% for vaccine by choice. My objection is as to mandates and restricting movement based upon vaccine results that are only preliminary. If we are going to mandate we need another level of review for FDA approvals and a public use for a certain time prior to mandating. The vaccine is effectively experimental until is proven safe by mass public use. If you choose to get vaccinated like I did based on FDA approval that's great, but to mandate it is not only poor health policy its wholly inappropriate.
Like I said masks, indoors in public places, annoying but big deal.
kickingandscreaming
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My concern is the increasing trend to separate ourselves physically and socially from those who believe differently. More than ever, we appear to be willing to demean and dismiss those who disagree with us on a single point. We have already seen the split of journalism based on ideological bias. If what is happening at the CDC and NIH is true - people are leaving due to "bad science" - it only increases the chances of more "bad science". Diversity of thought is not desired or promoted. I'd guess (we'll see) that many who have moved from the heavily "blue" states - NY, CA, etc. - are the more moderate ones, further reducing the diversity of thought. And, as much as we want to think science is above biases, the problem is there is no science without people and people have biases. The Atlantic article below had some interesting points about why left-wing authoritarianism was missed. The findings themselves are interesting, but I think more significantly in terms of the importance of the diversity of thought was the following.
"That psychologists have been slow to acknowledge the existence of left-wing authoritarians at all is “puzzling,” Costello and his colleagues write. But here, I would argue, is where the pronounced leftward orientation of researchers in social psychology comes in. “Academic psychology once had considerable political diversity, but has lost nearly all of it in the last 50 years,” according to a comprehensive 2014 review. Universities have long tilted to the left, but that tendency has deepened as education has become ever more highly correlated with political ideology. Whatever its origin, this political imbalance makes truth-seeking harder. Studies have repeatedly shown that investigators’ sociopolitical views influence the questions they ask. What’s more, ideologically concordant reviewers are more likely to rate abstracts and papers highly if the findings comport with their own beliefs, all else being equal."
The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left
Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.
www.theatlantic.com
You're trying so hard to be logical. but you fall short.
My concern is the increasing trend to separate ourselves physically and socially from those who believe differently. More than ever, we appear to be willing to demean and dismiss those who disagree with us on a single point. We have already seen the split of journalism based on ideological bias. If what is happening at the CDC and NIH is true - people are leaving due to "bad science" - it only increases the chances of more "bad science". Diversity of thought is not desired or promoted. I'd guess (we'll see) that many who have moved from the heavily "blue" states - NY, CA, etc. - are the more moderate ones, further reducing the diversity of thought. And, as much as we want to think science is above biases, the problem is there is no science without people and people have biases. The Atlantic article below had some interesting points about why left-wing authoritarianism was missed. The findings themselves are interesting, but I think more significantly in terms of the importance of the diversity of thought was the following.
"That psychologists have been slow to acknowledge the existence of left-wing authoritarians at all is “puzzling,” Costello and his colleagues write. But here, I would argue, is where the pronounced leftward orientation of researchers in social psychology comes in. “Academic psychology once had considerable political diversity, but has lost nearly all of it in the last 50 years,” according to a comprehensive 2014 review. Universities have long tilted to the left, but that tendency has deepened as education has become ever more highly correlated with political ideology. Whatever its origin, this political imbalance makes truth-seeking harder. Studies have repeatedly shown that investigators’ sociopolitical views influence the questions they ask. What’s more, ideologically concordant reviewers are more likely to rate abstracts and papers highly if the findings comport with their own beliefs, all else being equal."
The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left
Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.
"Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute"
To be fair the entire Trump administration played down the virus in the beginning -- they all lied. Mask hoarding was already happening when we just had 5 covid-19 cases: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/health/coronavirus-masks-hoarding.html
I personally think the biggest failing, and I have no ida where this lands, is why wasn't our national stockpile ready to go? If there was confidence around that, surely they could've been more transparent with the population.
Without getting into the politics of why that may have been, I think this is a valid complaint. We should have been better prepared, but in hindsight would having had more PPE changed things much? We know that the need for ventilators turned out to be misguided. Maybe if we had a stockpile of N95's that could have made a difference.
Before you protest too loudly defending your faith in the scientific process, read what you write:
If you want to dismiss the “sciency types” and “so-called experts“, that’s fine. But don’t complain too loudly when someone points out how it makes you sound.
You can ask reasonable questions about the strength of the impact on menstrual cycle timing, and whether this has other implications for women’s health. Or you can imply that the vaccine causes infertility and all the so-called experts are just lying to you. But the two responses are not the same.
Well, you guys all learned your BS form this cats that came over and infiltrated our country. Operation Paperclip. Tel A Vision was Operation Mockingbird. Now we have control the tables will be flipped. Jeffrey and Hunter got all the goods and they flipped because. Ghost in the Machine is real and all your Science is BS and full of lies and now has caused death & distuction. You, Husker, Espola and few others are on the wrong side of Science because you're a fraud too. You are no math teacher. Come clean with the group, fess up and go away.
Sure. As right leaning academics get squeezed out, the complaints will come from the right.
Similarly, when left wing academics got forced out in the 1950s, the complaints came mostly from the left.
That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
MSNBC hack (Katy Tur) admits that nobody trusts them and wonders out loud whether she is doing more harm than good. This is being honest Dad.
“People don’t trust us. They don’t believe us, and it makes me wonder if this job - as I’m currently doing it - is effective, but if it’s doing more harm than good.”
“People don’t trust us. They don’t believe us, and it makes me wonder if this job - as I’m currently doing it - is effective, but if it’s doing more harm than good.”
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SILVER ELITE
silly goose, good thing you arent a girl doctor - and there are many out there. Thank you for your male boomer response. Tell me again how what the long term studies show? take a peek at the latest science on vaccines and menstruation. You'll have to swim through the nonsense science of who/what can menstruate but you get the picture. Not only can fever as a result of covid cause infertility, but so can any fevers. You linky is quite dated by the way, science tends to move fast for some in the boomer world.Idiot.
How COVID-19 (and the Vaccine) Can Impact Your Fertility
Let’s cut to the chase: There’s no credible scientific evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccine has a negative impact on fertility. What can impact your fertility, though, is getting COVID-19, which means there’s just one more reason to get vaccinated.
I dunno, maybe menstruation is tied to reproduction. But thanks again for being a boomer - this one I will treasure. Besides, long term studies are long term studies but we've only been doing this for a few years. Increased blood flow for post menapausal women just normal right. Go boomer..
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SILVER ELITE
But both can be true - history demostrates it. It can be questioned and you can be lied to...has happened and will continue to happen.
One of the arguments being made here by a few people is the initial downplaying of masks broke down trust between the government entities and the general population. It seems having a stockpile of PPEs that would cover our medical/nursing staff would allow for more transparency and trust in future messaging. Instead it was a shit show out of the gate.
There were a variety of causes of the failure of the mask stockpile:
1. It was depleted during the H1N1 epidemic. Congress tried to save a penny and didn't replenish it. The Obama admin didn't prioritize replenishing it in their requests.
2. Even at full capacity, the strategic reserve was too small for the whole population anyway. PreCOVID planning always had those masks reserved for medical situations, the military, and the government, and not the population as a whole.
3. China engaged in an orchestrated and secretive buy of the available PPE prior to the world knowing exactly how contagious it was
We have a PPE stockpile.
The questions are things like did we keep it stocked, did we use it when we needed to, and do we have domestic PPE production.
I don't know why I bother since you just spin my words. I didn't say it impacted infertility, I asked a question. That is what a question mark means. We know it impacts the fertility process which begs the question how does it impact actually getting pregnant? We don't know yet because not enough time has passed. Since it impacts the fertility process in some women its reasonable to think it might impact actual fertility.
Right, this is what I'm saying
Obama and Trump admins absolutely should've replenished SNS; hard to justify 10+ years of neglect here. Though I think even having enough just for medical/nursing staff would've helped with transparency a bit. Obviously making sure we weren't dependent on other countries for supply chains would've helped significantly as well. Hope we're not sweeping all of this under the rug.