Vaccine

dad4 said:
One million fewer people died.
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That is pure conjecture.

You like to pull out those big numbers here and there to bolster your argument of the day. But you are simply picking a number out of thin air.

Outside of nobody ever leaving their houses and being totally isolated, the virus was going to rip through society no matter what. The restrictions put in place didnt stop the virus. They just harmed biz, education, caused severe inflation, etc, etc.
 
At the end of the day its not about the effectiveness of masks, vaccines or lockdowns it was the dishonesty of how effective they were, but even more so the arbitrary nature in which the mandates were applied and who they were applied to. As well, the "do as I say and not as I do" did nothing to help inspire confidence or compliance in the mandates.
 
watfly said:
At the end of the day its not about the effectiveness of masks, vaccines or lockdowns it was the dishonesty of how effective they were, but even more so the arbitrary nature in which the mandates were applied and who they were applied to. As well, the "do as I say and not as I do" did nothing to help inspire confidence or compliance in the mandates.
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Yup. I have dear friends & family members who obeyed their earthly master ((boss and or health pros)) and took the jabs in order to keep their jobs or to have access to all the fun. My circle of friends tell me that most of them were under severe duress & threat of losing everything they worked hard for. Most of the friends are men. They took the jab for their family in order to keep their job and keep their house and not rock the boat. I asked four pals this week a question bro. Would you take the jab now based on the facts you know now and everyone said based on what they know today, no way they take the Original Jab. All of them stopped after the first one when they were forced to wear mask again, even after being jabbed. However, that was not what they did. We will have another threat this summer. It's all planned.
 
dad4 said:
Yep.

Lost year of education for a generation. Millions of people lost their jobs. One million fewer people died. One million fewer children were orphaned. Ten million families avoided crippling medical bills.

Count all of it. Both sides. Not just one.
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Source?
 
Multi Sport said:
Source?
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Think through it. We had almost a million people die from covid, even though most infections happened after the vaccine was available.

What would have happened if all of those infections had happened at a time when we had no vaccines, and our best medical intervention was ventilators?

If we’re going to play “what if” with how nice it would have been to wear no masks and have everything open the past two years, then we also need to play “what if” with how many people would have gotten hurt in the process.
 
dad4 said:
Think through it. We had almost a million people die from covid, even though most infections happened after the vaccine was available.

What would have happened if all of those infections had happened at a time when we had no vaccines, and our best medical intervention was ventilators?

If we’re going to play “what if” with how nice it would have been to wear no masks and have everything open the past two years, then we also need to play “what if” with how many people would have gotten hurt in the process.
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Think through it? I have. With family and friends who are in the medical field.

The monetary incentive to count deaths as CV19 deaths by hospitals is something to think through.
 
crush said:
Another side effect was that some dads and moms got fired for not obeying the recommendations from the higher ups, who were not elected to anything but forced a divisive shot on the world and if you didn't comply, you got fired. The kids now have parents with no chance to earn a living unless they take the jab. I know many who said no. The one's who preach like you dad were selected to do a job that paid them to follow the rules and then preach misinformation about the mask, jabs and boosters. You will see how wrong you have been.
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Glad I could do my part. If you only want the benefits of society without the responsibilities, too bad.
 
dad4 said:
Think through it. We had almost a million people die from covid, even though most infections happened after the vaccine was available.

What would have happened if all of those infections had happened at a time when we had no vaccines, and our best medical intervention was ventilators?

If we’re going to play “what if” with how nice it would have been to wear no masks and have everything open the past two years, then we also need to play “what if” with how many people would have gotten hurt in the process.
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If only medicine was this black and white
 
dad4 said:
Think through it. We had almost a million people die from covid, even though most infections happened after the vaccine was available.

What would have happened if all of those infections had happened at a time when we had no vaccines, and our best medical intervention was ventilators?

If we’re going to play “what if” with how nice it would have been to wear no masks and have everything open the past two years, then we also need to play “what if” with how many people would have gotten hurt in the process.
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...so, no source then...just more playing very loose with the Truth.
 
GoldenGate said:
Glad I could do my part. If you only want the benefits of society without the responsibilities, too bad.
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you are such a crack up. To actually think that anyone would think that you are in a position of responsibility is just the best. It's worth it just to read your words to see how you've convinced yourself that people believe. Just the best. Thank you, thank you.
 
what-happened said:
you are such a crack up. To actually think that anyone would think that you are in a position of responsibility is just the best. It's worth it just to read your words to see how you've convinced yourself that people believe. Just the best. Thank you, thank you.
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Get used to things you don't like. I get to fire anti-vaxxers/maskers for the sport of it and trans women can race against other women in NCAA and Olympic swim meets.
 
watfly said:
Didn't realize Hot Dog on a Stick had a strict vaxx policy.
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Best hot dog vendor ever in my life was down in Baja Cali over in Ensenada. These dogs were wrapped in bacon and then his grandma's homemade beans and salsa. The best dogs ever and my mouth has water in it thinking about them dogs bro. I would then chase down each dog with Corona and lime. I would go almost every month to surf, drink beers and eat hot dogs.

San Miguel
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Great times have fun and surfing and drinking. I had this place all to myself for about one hour. It still was the most epic day of surfing in my life. It was here where I thought I could be pro.

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Desert Hound said:
Tell you what...you head down to the mall and get a hot dog from him. I bet you he happily gives you a hat after that.
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How's AZ doing with the Covid-19 death rate? Still trailing Mississippi? Or is it now the absolute worst, most abysmal state in our country with respect to keeping its citizens alive?
 
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