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I’m not arguing anything about this first impeachment other than espola was wrong in his characterization.

I do have an opinion and think the second was wrong. He didn’t order the mob to seize the capitol. He told them to go home. There’s nothing in his words that would suggest an order towards violent insurrection as opposed to loud but peaceful protest. I think you could impeach him for delaying calls to shut down the thing once it turned violent but then you’d have to hoist Pelosi and the capitol police for being woefully unprepared and poorly executing the response (in some cases with police welcoming in the protestors into the capitol). if he ordered or told pence to overrule the election I think you could do it for that too but you’d need pence to testify. Finally Idont Think you can impeach him after the fact…once he left office it was done. Also just becausecertain behavior isn’t impeachable doesn’t mean it’s not awful.

you’ve gone over to your buddies and gone full troll haven’t you? How far you’ve fallen from the thoughtful, mild mannered yet fearful guy from 2020. Covid really did a number on you.

Telling the truth is not trolling, unless you feel triggered by the truth.
 
A lot of us have daughters.

Have guys who want to be women and compete against women is just wrong.

Look at the "champ" and how far ahead he was of the women he was competing against.

There is a reason long ago they created womens divisions. To have men now compete in them is a disgrace.

This is an example of an anti-women policy that the left promote that I mentioned earlier. You can't undo puberty and you certainly can't undo it in a year. She was competing as a man just a year before. To compete post puberty at a minimum the athlete should have to go through a longer conversion treatment period. One year is just absurd. With all the rules there are in regards to doping it doesn't make sense.

I understand if you believe they shouldn't compete at all. However, one of my son's best friends is transgendered (she to he) so I'm a little more sympathetic and think you have to evaluate these issues on a case by case basis.
 
I just think it’s hilarious that mr insist upon the details got the details wrong.

How many "details" did you get wrong here?

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He didn’t order the mob to seize the capitol. He told them to go home. There’s nothing in his words that would suggest an order towards violent insurrection as opposed to loud but peaceful protest. I think you could impeach him for delaying calls to shut down the thing once it turned violent but then you’d have to hoist Pelosi and the capitol police for being woefully unprepared and poorly executing the response (in some cases with police welcoming in the protestors into the capitol). if he ordered or told pence to overrule the election I think you could do it for that too but you’d need pence to testify. Finally Idont Think you can impeach him after the fact…once he left office it was done. Also just becausecertain behavior isn’t impeachable doesn’t mean it’s not awful.
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How many "details" did you get wrong here?

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He didn’t order the mob to seize the capitol. He told them to go home. There’s nothing in his words that would suggest an order towards violent insurrection as opposed to loud but peaceful protest. I think you could impeach him for delaying calls to shut down the thing once it turned violent but then you’d have to hoist Pelosi and the capitol police for being woefully unprepared and poorly executing the response (in some cases with police welcoming in the protestors into the capitol). if he ordered or told pence to overrule the election I think you could do it for that too but you’d need pence to testify. Finally Idont Think you can impeach him after the fact…once he left office it was done. Also just becausecertain behavior isn’t impeachable doesn’t mean it’s not awful.
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I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole with you again. We’ve already litigated this. I don’t have much interest in rehashing old conversations about what is now history. Much of it is opinion which you are free to disagree with.
Now you are just trying to distract from the fact that you were wrong.
 
I’m not arguing anything about this first impeachment other than espola was wrong in his characterization.

I do have an opinion and think the second was wrong. He didn’t order the mob to seize the capitol. He told them to go home. There’s nothing in his words that would suggest an order towards violent insurrection as opposed to loud but peaceful protest. I think you could impeach him for delaying calls to shut down the thing once it turned violent but then you’d have to hoist Pelosi and the capitol police for being woefully unprepared and poorly executing the response (in some cases with police welcoming in the protestors into the capitol). if he ordered or told pence to overrule the election I think you could do it for that too but you’d need pence to testify. Finally Idont Think you can impeach him after the fact…once he left office it was done. Also just becausecertain behavior isn’t impeachable doesn’t mean it’s not awful.

you’ve gone over to your buddies and gone full troll haven’t you? How far you’ve fallen from the thoughtful, mild mannered yet fearful guy from 2020. Covid really did a number on you.
Trump was pressured to tell the mob to go home. Left to his own devices I don't think he ever would have. He was loving the fact that his supporters would storm the Capitol for him.
 
Trump was pressured to tell the mob to go home. Left to his own devices I don't think he ever would have. He was loving the fact that his supporters would storm the Capitol for him.
Agree. But that’s not what was alleged (a sort of willful and knowing negligence) but was alleged was that he invited an insurrection (which the facts simply don’t show). They could have charged him before he left office as you said but again it would require some testimony from those around him and would have raised uncomfortable questions about the office of capitol police. And again, just because you don’t have the evidence to impeach him doesn’t mean it wasn’t morally wrong. The legal political and moral are all different things.
 
I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole with you again. We’ve already litigated this. I don’t have much interest in rehashing old conversations about what is now history. Much of it is opinion which you are free to disagree with.
Now you are just trying to distract from the fact that you were wrong.

"Litigated"?

I already admitted that you were correct.

Now you can admit that t was the worst thing that ever happened to the GOP (and after Nixon and Agnew that's a true accomplishment)
 
Agree. But that’s not what was alleged (a sort of willful and knowing negligence) but was alleged was that he invited an insurrection (which the facts simply don’t show). They could have charged him before he left office as you said but again it would require some testimony from those around him and would have raised uncomfortable questions about the office of capitol police. And again, just because you don’t have the evidence to impeach him doesn’t mean it wasn’t morally wrong. The legal political and moral are all different things.
“You gotta fight like hell or you won’t have a country!”
 
"Litigated"?

I already admitted that you were correct.

Now you can admit that t was the worst thing that ever happened to the GOP (and after Nixon and Agnew that's a true accomplishment)
You forgot hoover

I disagree he was the worst. I certainly think he was flawed. The politics of the 20th century were elites on the outside trying to supplant the white shoe often racist oligarchs of the white shoe republicans. See auntie Maime for a representation. The politics of the 21st century are the peons rebelling against the meritocratic elites. That rebellion has taken place on the left and right. Romney/Clinton/bushes are the archetypes of what they are rebelling against. Trumps use to the gop is he advances this dynamic. I agree he was also severely flawed.
 
Agree. But that’s not what was alleged (a sort of willful and knowing negligence) but was alleged was that he invited an insurrection (which the facts simply don’t show). They could have charged him before he left office as you said but again it would require some testimony from those around him and would have raised uncomfortable questions about the office of capitol police. And again, just because you don’t have the evidence to impeach him doesn’t mean it wasn’t morally wrong. The legal political and moral are all different things.
The biggest issue I have about the 2nd impeachment is the "trial" was done before the investigation. Flies in the face of the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
 
You forgot hoover

I disagree he was the worst. I certainly think he was flawed. The politics of the 20th century were elites on the outside trying to supplant the white shoe often racist oligarchs of the white shoe republicans. See auntie Maime for a representation. The politics of the 21st century are the peons rebelling against the meritocratic elites. That rebellion has taken place on the left and right. Romney/Clinton/bushes are the archetypes of what they are rebelling against. Trumps use to the gop is he advances this dynamic. I agree he was also severely flawed.

Harding was worse than Hoover. Hoover was an honest man of principles in office at the wrong time.

T was the worst President ever. His most fervent supporters (sons, daughter, Rudy, pillowguy) are all now laughingstocks.
 
“Stay in the street and get more confrontational”

In 2018, Democrat Rep. Maxine Watters said she had “no sympathy” for Trump administration officials who defended Trump’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy. She urged her supporters to “absolutely harass them” when appearing in public.

“They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store,” Waters said at the time. “The people are going to turn on them, they’re going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them.”

On March 20, 2018, Joe Biden told supporters he would have taken then-President Trump “behind the gym and beat the hell out of him” if they were in high school.
 
I have to laugh at the "lab leak debunked" supporter is now using obstruction as a basis for "there must be something to hide". What a worthless, partisan troll.

I don't belong to any political party, a decision I reached after trying out several. My partisanship position is anti-trumpist. What's yours?
 
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The biggest issue I have about the 2nd impeachment is the "trial" was done before the investigation. Flies in the face of the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
They were rushed. They couldn’t make the deadline before he left office. They didn’t want it clogging up Biden’s first 100 days.
 
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