Vaccine

Exactly….kinda makes you wonder who the politicians are working for?
The highest bidder in most cases and the ones with any integrity are labeled crazy, socialist (they mean communist but are aware most people don’t know the difference) or anti-American.
 
"Dr. Liar, Dr. Liar, please report to ICU." Dr. F, Dr. Fraud is sure one snake oil salesman. Wowza! In Lies We Trust!
 
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So they are finally getting around to admitting that surgical masks do not work vis a vis respiratory viruses.

The agency will likely advise people opt for the highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by healthcare personnel, if they can do so consistently, the newspaper reported, citing an official close to the deliberations.

The CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can "tolerate wearing a KN95 or N95 mask all day, you should," the report said.


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Of course there is the caveat...IF someone can wear a N95 all day. We know they are only designed for a very short period of time if fitted correctly (big if) because they are very uncomfortable.


And as a reminder just a few years ago the CDC in their description of surgical masks said they are ineffective vs small particles and are not designed to be used for respiratory viruses. Note the category FILTRATION below.

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So they are finally getting around to admitting that surgical masks do not work vis a vis respiratory viruses.

The agency will likely advise people opt for the highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by healthcare personnel, if they can do so consistently, the newspaper reported, citing an official close to the deliberations.

The CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can "tolerate wearing a KN95 or N95 mask all day, you should," the report said.


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Of course there is the caveat...IF someone can wear a N95 all day. We know they are only designed for a very short period of time if fitted correctly (big if) because they are very uncomfortable.


And as a reminder just a few years ago the CDC in their description of surgical masks said they are ineffective vs small particles and are not designed to be used for respiratory viruses. Note the category FILTRATION below.

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No, that’s not what they are saying.

But glad to hear you’re going to start wearing your N95.
 
Some food for thought as we think back on the useless restrictions placed on us.

Covid deaths in nursing homes amount on average to a staggering 40% of all Covid deaths in Western countries, despite representing less than 1% of the population.
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And yet we created policies affected the public as a whole despite the info above.

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Yet soon into the pandemic, it became clear that Covid-19 was almost exclusively a threat to the elderly (60+): in the last quarter of 2020, the mean age of those dying both with and of Covid-19 in the UK was 82.4,

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Meanwhile in the US, the end of 2021 confirmed the reality that lockdown strategies had little or no impact on Covid mortality. The two neighbouring states of Michigan and Wisconsin followed very different Covid policies, with Michigan favouring severe restrictions while Wisconsin lifted them much earlier; yet at the start of this month, Michigan’s Covid mortality rate was far higher than Wisconsin’s, at 2,906 deaths per million compared to 1,919 per million in Wisconsin. Another stark example comes from comparing two other neighbouring states: North and South Dakota. South Dakota infamously imposed no Covid restrictions, while there were mask mandates in North Dakota during the second wave in Winter 2020/2021: yet as of January 1st 2022, the two states’ death rates are very similar, at 2,810 per million (South Dakota) and 2,640 (North Dakota).

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As Piero Stanig and Gianmarco Daniele, two professors at Bocconi University, explain in their book Fallimento lockdown (“Lockdown Failure”), the worst possible thing you can do when dealing with a highly infectious disease that spreads almost exclusively indoors and targets the elderly is to lock old people up inside their homes with other family members, and ban citizens from spending time in arguably the safest place of all: outdoors. In other words, even from the narrow perspective of saving lives, not only were lockdowns not in the collective interest of society, they weren’t even in the interest of those whose lives were actually at risk.

 
No, that’s not what they are saying.

But glad to hear you’re going to start wearing your N95.
That is exactly what they are saying. If surgical masks actually worked, they would not have moved their recommendation to N95s.

Note their CDC guidance from 2018. And to date there really are not any studies that suddenly found wow surgical masks work. They were never designed for respiratory viruses. Politicians of course had to "do something" so suddenly they became mandated. And despite decades of research showing they are not designed for respiratory viruses people started wearing them religiously.

Now you don't like to admit it, but indeed you have by your actions admitted surgical masks don't work. You long ago realized they don't work and opted for n95s.

Myself? I am not wearing an N95.

I long ago moved on and started living a normal life.

If a place requires them, I put on a mask despite knowing it is safety theater.

The only masks that work are the n95s (and of course the higher level ones). The problem witn N95s is that even medical personal have to be trained to use them properly. That of course means that the vast majority of the public wearing them are wearing them incorrectly.

Further? They are designed for short periods of time. Not a couple of hours or more.

And finally as part of the process they need to be fit tested.

What does that mean? It means that these masks will not stop the spread of the virus either.
 
Hey Norm, it's official. No going back to normal. Based on what Dr. F and Dr. W just said, more curve balls, more waves and surges with new variants will be hitting us all forever. Boostered forever you guys. Look, if this is the life you choose, I will step away and allow you your freedom to choose injections in your arms. Plus, wear two mask to be safe and stay home with a mask on. No hugs, only when your team scores a TD....lol!!! They want to booster the kids for some reason. Father Fraud thinks the best thing to do is inject yourself and your children every 5 months.

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I think evil goalie found it.

Mostly, I was trying to find an analogy to explain how weak individual protection can add up to a meaningful community-wide effect. The 20 week pfizer booster is 50%, but that is just a coincidence. Nothing in the thought experiment requires that all the coins be fair.

Yes, they do. I'll take you back to your R1 point you always talk about. Otherwise, the only thing you are doing is delaying things. I'll give you a real world example: chicken pox pre vaccine. You would have outbreaks where 1/2 the class would come down with it. That wasn't enough, though, even with parents trying to infect their kids, to have another outbreak 1 year later among the remainder of the class, and that's with a stable virus that isn't highly mutatable or going zoonotic. I'm the perfect example of this. I caught chicken pox at age 20 despite both my siblings having had it in grade school and despite having gone through 3 class outbreaks. I wasn't around small children at the time and wasn't with any yet to be infected roommates or family members...yet the virus still eventually found me. The only thing you are accomplishing by slowing things down is pushing things into another wave. A virus this contagious will eventually find you.
 
The UK review of masks in schools found they didn't make much of difference/not statistically significant.

If there were studies that showed they actually worked, the news would be hammering it home all day long.

What we get time and time again is "inconclusive".

The reason?

Surgical masks were not and are not designed to stop respiratory viruses.

We have hundreds of millions of people using masks throughout the world over the past couple of years and yet we don't find conclusive studies showing surgical masks do anything to stop the spread.
 
If there were studies that showed they actually worked, the news would be hammering it home all day long.

What we get time and time again is "inconclusive".

The reason?

Surgical masks were not and are not designed to stop respiratory viruses.

We have hundreds of millions of people using masks throughout the world over the past couple of years and yet we don't find conclusive studies showing surgical masks do anything to stop the spread.
'Another take from the BBC. A point six percent change in absences.
 
Yes, they do. I'll take you back to your R1 point you always talk about. Otherwise, the only thing you are doing is delaying things. I'll give you a real world example: chicken pox pre vaccine. You would have outbreaks where 1/2 the class would come down with it. That wasn't enough, though, even with parents trying to infect their kids, to have another outbreak 1 year later among the remainder of the class, and that's with a stable virus that isn't highly mutatable or going zoonotic. I'm the perfect example of this. I caught chicken pox at age 20 despite both my siblings having had it in grade school and despite having gone through 3 class outbreaks. I wasn't around small children at the time and wasn't with any yet to be infected roommates or family members...yet the virus still eventually found me. The only thing you are accomplishing by slowing things down is pushing things into another wave. A virus this contagious will eventually find you.
When R changes, it changes the peak height, time to peak, and area under the curve. For anyone with staffing problems this month, all three of those are big problems.

R is a parameter in a system of differential equations. Why do you insist on telling me what it means? Your math topped out at calc, and calc is not enough to do the analysis you’re attempting.
 
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