Vaccine

Grace T. said:
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All the nessie graphs where omicron COVID has taken off belie this point. I can't believe you are even making it against the omicron. It's exactly stuff like this which is going to start people (who even CNN has admitted have stopped listening to you) to turn on you. From the data we know the Pfizer booster even 10 weeks out is IIRC 15% effective at stopping transmission, declining.
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There are reasons to reduce transmission, even when you can't get R<1.
 
dad4 said:
There are reasons to reduce transmission, even when you can't get R<1.
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No there aren’t. Hospitals aren’t being overwhelmed (they aren’t…even cdc director has spoken about with/covid). There’s no magic solution on the horizon (before everyone gets it). The only thing you are doing is pushing out infections into another wave by leaving dry brush. And a lot of the unvaxxed has natural immunity at this point

on the other hand, there are huge downsides to forcing people who are only slightly more contagious than others such as by depriving them of access to civic life. Cost/benefit. Try it sometime.

at a minimum, you’re the one that always decries anything less than perfect accuracy. Pot meet kettle. You know the 50% thing is false with the omicron…drop your false talking point.
 
Grace T says....
The unvaxxed has natural immunity at this point
Huge downsides to forcing people who are only slightly more contagious than others such as by depriving them of access to civic life. Cost/benefit. Try it sometime.

Thanks Grace T for thinking of me. It's been the hardest time ever. I feel so "left out" of life and 100% kicked out of civic life. I hope dad and others can see the truth and see how this is one sided because one side cheated because the one side hated a certain man because the certain orange dude had it all on the higher ups. I mean, has it all. Busted!!!
 
Grace T. said:
No there aren’t. Hospitals aren’t being overwhelmed (they aren’t…even cdc director has spoken about with/covid). There’s no magic solution on the horizon (before everyone gets it). The only thing you are doing is pushing out infections into another wave by leaving dry brush. And a lot of the unvaxxed has natural immunity at this point

on the other hand, there are huge downsides to forcing people who are only slightly more contagious than others such as by depriving them of access to civic life. Cost/benefit. Try it sometime.

at a minimum, you’re the one that always decries anything less than perfect accuracy. Pot meet kettle. You know the 50% thing is false with the omicron…drop your false talking point.
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Post the link to the claim of 15%.

My bet is you're misinterpreting the study again.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Everyone is out with Covid, no drivers, no stockers.
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That's a BIG fat LIE.

The supply chain is broken due to Biden's Criminal
vaccine MANDATES....wait until after January 15 , that's
when the REAL damage will ensue due to all the truckers
losing the ability to drive due to Biden's MANDATES.

Unless the Supreme Court Justices rule against the MANDATES.

Which does not appear they will rule against them.

You and your ilk are a huge problem to society with the way you
LIE about what is really happening.
 
dad4 said:
Post the link to the claim of 15%.

My bet is you're misinterpreting the study again.
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It’s in the chart posted above. Moderna was higher. Not sure if the 10 week figure is 15% or 25% (can’t recall which is why I said iirc) but that was at the limit of the time period boosters tracked at it was declining. It’s not 50%. You know it. Just fess up and say you were using an exaggerated talking point (we all do it…you always accuse others of doing it….pot kettle). Otherwise please post a finding that says 10+ weeks out Pfizer remains at 50% efficiency (here’s a hint: you can find one for moderna but also declining).
 
Grace T. said:
It’s in the chart posted above. Moderna was higher. Not sure if the 10 week figure is 15% or 25% (can’t recall which is why I said iirc) but that was at the limit of the time period boosters tracked at it was declining. It’s not 50%. You know it. Just fess up and say you were using an exaggerated talking point (we all do it…you always accuse others of doing it….pot kettle). Otherwise please post a finding that says 10+ weeks out Pfizer remains at 50% efficiency (here’s a hint: you can find one for moderna but also declining).
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Which chart is that?
 
Grace T. said:
From a political point of view he hasn't really done his boss any favors. They sort of assured him and he assured the country that it would be pretty much over last summer. But now not only are we on triple vaxxed (and people who are complied are still getting sick), but we also have school/sport shut downs around the country, still masking (only now they are trying to put kids into N95s), still have shortages, still have inflation, still have hospital problems, have testing shortages (after 2 years!) and more people than ever are getting it (after having been worked up into a fear frenzy about wanting to avoid the virus). So you have all this po'd people who did what they were supposed to and still got sick AND are still being punished for it. They tried to throw the unvaxxed under the bus for that, but when even the triple vaxxed are getting sick, that's a hard sell except to all but the hardest of COVID diehards.

The reality is there wasn't much Biden could have done (other than controlled his party on schools....the white house still hasn't denounced the Chicago Teacher's Union despite being asked the question a few times now) and history would have played out the same way. But the messaging has boxed Biden in. They sold the public zero COVID when from day 1 they should have just said it wasn't going away. Yayaya....you can say how could they have known about Delta and Omicron....some of us here knew and called it down to the regions involved.

Ironically, Biden is going to get hoisted on his own petard for embracing vaccines developed under the Trump admin and trying to claim the credit. He would have been better off politically if he had called it a massive failure of the Trump vax. Someone is going to get tarred for this....the situation politically requires a scapegoat....time to open the betting pools on Biden, Walensky or Fauci (my money is the CDC director gets pilloried...Fauci is way too savvy having survived too many strengths and Biden's handlers won't let it be him).
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He's essentially turned into a clown. How much funding did the NIH grant to natural immunity research, repurposed drug research, etc. Plenty of people at the FDA have quit over procedures. Who came up with the idea that the vaccine dosing should be done in 3-4 week intervals? Plenty of opposition to that idea....It's joke really. Pharma CEOs dictating dosing?

he will eventually fade into obscurity, remembered as the guy who could have have helped.
 
dad4 said:
Post the link to the claim of 15%.

My bet is you're misinterpreting the study again.
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Kind of a tempest in a teapot but here is the VE omicron data for UK again. BNT162B2 = Pfizer. 2 dose regime wih Pfizer booster yields ~50% VE after 10 weeks. Without booster the 2 dose regime drops to ~15% VE after 20 weeks. Don't know if that is the data under dispute.

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what-happened said:
He's essentially turned into a clown. How much funding did the NIH grant to natural immunity research, repurposed drug research, etc. Plenty of people at the FDA have quit over procedures. Who came up with the idea that the vaccine dosing should be done in 3-4 week intervals? Plenty of opposition to that idea....It's joke really. Pharma CEOs dictating dosing?

he will eventually fade into obscurity, remembered as the guy who could have have helped.
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Well, in terms of repurposing drugs there is a very large effort funded through NIH. There are at least two reasons. One is that human genome and sequencing projects have not turned up obvious drug candidates for many diseases to which a small molecule lock and key fit can be found. The second is that for a pharma company repurposing something with prior FDA approval is much cheaper.

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Ellejustus said:
Bite hard on this logic Kicker 2.0. I am 100% against abortion and I never have rhetoric on this subject. Keep hitting lower buddy. I got balls of steel. I'm glad your back to be honest. I want everyone to have this on record: I will not walk away and turn my back when I see you at the fields. In fact, I will stay to my left side with plenty of room and I will not say a word to you. I will only stare at you in your eyes as I walk by. That is it. Anything else that happens is on you. Wow kicker, you went low today but my balls are made of steel....lol!!!
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How is that Low? I just needed clarity.
Keep playing the marter.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Well, in terms of repurposing drugs there is a very large effort funded through NIH. There are at least two reasons. One is that human genome and sequencing projects have not turned up obvious drug candidates for many diseases to which a small molecule lock and key fit can be found. The second is that for a pharma company repurposing something with prior FDA approval is much cheaper.

Our Impact on Drug Discovery and Development | National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences

Our research teams develop and apply cutting-edge approaches that speed therapeutic solutions for unmet health needs.
ncats.nih.gov ncats.nih.gov
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April 2021 is very late in the game to get serious about funding this type of research. Many did this on their own. Fluvoxamin comes to mind. There are other examples out there that showed promise. There is more coordinated and resourced effort underway now, with the NIH fully on board. The HCQ debacle may have muted more robust efforts to repurpose existing, safe drugs for early treatment.
 
Grace T. said:
It’s in the chart posted above. Moderna was higher. Not sure if the 10 week figure is 15% or 25% (can’t recall which is why I said iirc) but that was at the limit of the time period boosters tracked at it was declining. It’s not 50%. You know it. Just fess up and say you were using an exaggerated talking point (we all do it…you always accuse others of doing it….pot kettle). Otherwise please post a finding that says 10+ weeks out Pfizer remains at 50% efficiency (here’s a hint: you can find one for moderna but also declining).
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I think evil goalie found it.

Mostly, I was trying to find an analogy to explain how weak individual protection can add up to a meaningful community-wide effect. The 20 week pfizer booster is 50%, but that is just a coincidence. Nothing in the thought experiment requires that all the coins be fair.
 
dad4 said:
I think evil goalie found it.

Mostly, I was trying to find an analogy to explain how weak individual protection can add up to a meaningful community-wide effect. The 20 week pfizer booster is 50%, but that is just a coincidence. Nothing in the thought experiment requires that all the coins be fair.
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If I understand it correctly, the R number is just the common ratio defining the geometric progression of infection. I may be off on that, but I think that is right. Let omicron R=10. Assume a 100% vaxxed large population where each individual has an equivalent risk. If VE is 15%, Re=8.5. If VE is 50%, Re = 5. Running such a simple model over five infection cycles yields the numbers below. I don't know if that is the thought experiment you had in mind.

R10: 1,10,100, 1000, 10,000 total infections.
R8.5: 1, 9, 72, 614, 5220 total infections.
R5: 1, 5, 25, 125, 625 total infections.
 
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