Vaccine

dad4 said:
During some Sunday news show? Sure.

The actual biology concepts are hard. Fauci has 2 minutes. He’s not going to go down some deep rabbit hole explaining stochastic processes. He‘s going to talk in terms of what happens when the virus has to “stop” at each vaccinated person.

That doesn’t mean the models don’t use stochastic processes and probability distributions. It just means the talking heads are giving you the dumbed down version.
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His role allowed him plenty of time to articulate public health policy. He (and others) have really turned into adovocates...Which, I suppose is understandable when providing public health policy advice to national leaders. Unforunatey he didn't provide really good advice nor did he advocate for research that may have helped to drive treatment and create near/long term policy. From an employee perspective, he should have been fired months ago. Plenty of people in the field of medicine would whole heartedly agree.

Group think has done plenty of damage to providers and scientists. The gig is essently up. The virus is essentially doing our job for us. And I see you are still stuck on models.
 
Scalise, Comer call for hearing on Biden's 'failed' COVID-19 response: 'Dereliction of duty'
Republicans demand Fauci and Becerra appear before joint committee
 
Ellejustus said:
Scalise, Comer call for hearing on Biden's 'failed' COVID-19 response: 'Dereliction of duty'
Republicans demand Fauci and Becerra appear before joint committee
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We have an anti-vaxxer/masker blaming others for Covid-19 getting out of control. Classic.

How's the job search going Mr. Freeloader?
 
what-happened said:
His role allowed him plenty of time to articulate public health policy. He (and others) have really turned into adovocates...Which, I suppose is understandable when providing public health policy advice to national leaders. Unforunatey he didn't provide really good advice nor did he advocate for research that may have helped to drive treatment and create near/long term policy. From an employee perspective, he should have been fired months ago. Plenty of people in the field of medicine would whole heartedly agree.

Group think has done plenty of damage to providers and scientists. The gig is essently up. The virus is essentially doing our job for us. And I see you are still stuck on models.
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From a political point of view he hasn't really done his boss any favors. They sort of assured him and he assured the country that it would be pretty much over last summer. But now not only are we on triple vaxxed (and people who are complied are still getting sick), but we also have school/sport shut downs around the country, still masking (only now they are trying to put kids into N95s), still have shortages, still have inflation, still have hospital problems, have testing shortages (after 2 years!) and more people than ever are getting it (after having been worked up into a fear frenzy about wanting to avoid the virus). So you have all this po'd people who did what they were supposed to and still got sick AND are still being punished for it. They tried to throw the unvaxxed under the bus for that, but when even the triple vaxxed are getting sick, that's a hard sell except to all but the hardest of COVID diehards.

The reality is there wasn't much Biden could have done (other than controlled his party on schools....the white house still hasn't denounced the Chicago Teacher's Union despite being asked the question a few times now) and history would have played out the same way. But the messaging has boxed Biden in. They sold the public zero COVID when from day 1 they should have just said it wasn't going away. Yayaya....you can say how could they have known about Delta and Omicron....some of us here knew and called it down to the regions involved.

Ironically, Biden is going to get hoisted on his own petard for embracing vaccines developed under the Trump admin and trying to claim the credit. He would have been better off politically if he had called it a massive failure of the Trump vax. Someone is going to get tarred for this....the situation politically requires a scapegoat....time to open the betting pools on Biden, Walensky or Fauci (my money is the CDC director gets pilloried...Fauci is way too savvy having survived too many strengths and Biden's handlers won't let it be him).
 
GoldenGate said:
We have an anti-vaxxer/masker blaming others for Covid-19 getting out of control.
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I'm Pro Choice by the way and not anti-anything. I'm a pro-anything you want and have always been that way you, you, you, you mean old man Espola. I know you have to hold it all in when I spank you around....lol! I told you one father can make a change for the better for all the other dads in the future. It's going to happen right before your eyes.......Free Popcorn for all!!!
 
Ellejustus said:
I'm Pro Choice by the way and not anti-anything. I'm a pro-anything you want and have always been that way you, you, you, you mean old man Espola. I know you have to hold it all in when I spank you around....lol! I told you one father can make a change for the better for all the other dads in the future. It's going to happen right before your eyes.......Free Popcorn for all!!!
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B.S. You have posted one anti-vax/mask meme after the next.

BTW, and not to state the obvious, but you'll need to get a job if you're going to be able to afford to buy everyone popcorn.
 
I know I was a big free loader looking for free rides in soccer for my dd and got so snaked oiled by a salesman who couldn't keep his snake in his cage. I was so wrong with soccer and will now look to pay my fair share back to soccer and buy all the Merch and sporting ware I can find and I will for sure look to watch some live streams soccer matches and spend any extra time and money I have on going to the games live and support the game the way all fathers should in America who has dd playing the sport, all so my dd can participate in soccer. I lost my mind you guys. I moron now and hypocrite and full of bullshit and just so confused with nowhere to turn. No job, no money and no food. Oh shit, now what should I do? Help, please help me with food stamps, please???? No one loves me in soccer or in real life anymore because "I just say no." My wife has had it with the dreamer and is not interested in the trailer park hopping life, that I was planning for her and I. I got this for me and me only, so I can be alone and not be around hypnotized people WHO are now mad at me for choosing to "just say no" to the Wuhan Jab made by the Nerds, Frances, Bill and Tony.

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Kicker 2.0 said:
So OK for some, but “sideways” for others. What exactly is the distinction, political affiliation?

oh Biden was in a Press Conference and Maddow was parroting it on her show….
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The distinction is whether they are helping people understand the actual science.

“Some people still get infected, therefore the vaccine is a failure” is not a step towards understanding anything. We already know the vaccine is neither 0% effective nor 100% effective. It’s in the middle. Repeatedly saying the vax isn’t perfect doesn’t really add anything to our understanding.

If you want a useful mental model, imagine immunity works by flipping a coin. If it comes up heads, your immune system kicks in and blocks covid for one month. Tails, you still get covid and infect your friends.

If one person has a coin, it helps them a little. Maybe they flip heads, maybe they don’t. If almost everyone has a coin, it makes it very hard for the disease to spread, because it keeps running into people who flip heads.
 
dad4 said:
It’s in the middle.
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dad4 said:
If one person has a coin, it helps them a little. Maybe they flip heads, maybe they don’t. If almost everyone has a coin, it makes it very hard for the disease to spread, because it keeps running into people who flip heads.
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All the nessie graphs where omicron COVID has taken off belie this point. I can't believe you are even making it against the omicron. It's exactly stuff like this which is going to start people (who even CNN has admitted have stopped listening to you) to turn on you. From the data we know the Pfizer booster even 10 weeks out is IIRC 15% effective at stopping transmission, declining.
 
dad4 said:
The distinction is whether they are helping people understand the actual science.

“Some people still get infected, therefore the vaccine is a failure”
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Who are you quoting? I never claimed it was a failure, just that it doesn’t provide the immunity that most other vaccines do.

Not to mention, how do you quantify “some” cause that percentage is rising and rapidly approaching what I would call “most”.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
By your anti-abortion rhetoric i took you as Pro-Life not Pro-Choice.
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Bite hard on this logic Kicker 2.0. I am 100% against abortion and I never have rhetoric on this subject. Keep hitting lower buddy. I got balls of steel. I'm glad your back to be honest. I want everyone to have this on record: I will not walk away and turn my back when I see you at the fields. In fact, I will stay to my left side with plenty of room and I will not say a word to you. I will only stare at you in your eyes as I walk by. That is it. Anything else that happens is on you. Wow kicker, you went low today but my balls are made of steel....lol!!!
 
Grace T. said:
What up BTW, with the empty shelves in some of the blue check cities. My friend in DC went shopping last night and reported all the shelves were bare. My bro up in San Francisco said the same thing: not completely bare but pretty much Soviet. Here in LA the shelves are also sparsely stocked...but maybe sixty percent full. Are the panicked 1/3 going out and buying up all the water and TP again to hunker down (and is that enough to cause supermarket collapse in the deep blue check cities), or are supply lines beginning to strain due to so many people out sick?
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Everyone is out with Covid, no drivers, no stockers.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
Who are you quoting? I never claimed it was a failure, just that it doesn’t provide the immunity that most other vaccines do.

Not to mention, how do you quantify “some” cause that percentage is rising and rapidly approaching what I would call “most”.
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Not as protective as most other vaccines?

That much I can agree with. Happy to throw out Pfizer as soon as something better comes along.
 
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