Vaccine

But as long as such emergent viruses remain Ace2 directed, as of right now vaccination appears to provide the broadest long term immunological insurance policy.
Time will tell I suppose. Therapeutics are showing some promise as are trials with repurposed drugs. Full court press really. Besides, many providers have been doing off label for some time. If variants continue to degrade in disease and mandates die on the vine, vaccination will be even less appealing to those not vaccinated (for better or for worse).
 
The argument for vaxxing kids is always dicussed in terms of risk/benefit. It's why the committees are taking their time with the U5s. Transmission comparisons between omicron and the measles are fair. Factor of 18 vs factor of 15 is pretty dang close and makes omicron very, very contagious.

I don't have to tell you the difference in outcomes between untreated measles and omicron for U5s. Unless omicron takes a hard left and presents in a more deadly manner, vaxxing based on transmissability for a variant that sidesteps immunity may not be the right thing to do.
There are going to continue to be millions of people in this country and around the world that will not ever be vaccinated. Variants will likely continue to spin for the foreseable future. By the way, 140K people died in 2018 of the measles, mostly U5s.

As you said, what the future holds, no one really knows.

Sadly, as I understand it much of the mortality associated measles in the very young occurs due to poor health care and, even in the absence of vaccination, could be offset. With respect to Cov transmissibility, the short term humoral component of immunity has largely already been sidestepped although that wrestling match will continue. Some aspects of the future are more knowable than others. The possibility of novel zoonotic C-viruses emerging over the coming decades would appear to have gone up considerably. The long term memory component of immunity is highly relevant to those.
 
Vaxx has been demonstrated to provide extremely broad conformational coverage to S in terms of immune memory. The relevant data has been discussed here. So, given the current state of data, the potential alterations to S that may arise in future variants are better offset through vaxx . There is also data that Infection, followed by vaxx, maybe a particularly robust long term memory combination. This may be because the germinal centers that are established through infection allow the long term T and B cell populations to proliferate a few more times before becoming quiescent. The reason for writing this is because, if a parent is thinking about vaxx for their kid, and they get omicron, which almost everybody will, it is the perfect time given what we know. If people don't like that idea, think it is stupid, whatever, then don't do it.



No. Doomsday is all the wailing and gnashing of teeth surrounding policy. People said all the same stuff in 1918, just the political poles were reversed. They were wrong then and they are wrong now. I believe it was you talking about lessons learned. Anyway, a better term for what is going on with these emergent C-viruses is koyannisqatsi. Gven the zoonotic populations of C-virus that are being established around the globe the rate at which descendents of this virus will re-emerge in novel recombined forms will likely increase. SARS, MERS, Cov-2 and now possibly Cov-3 within the span of several decades. Looking forward 50 years there will be more.



The fact that new variants arise and can be selected for has nothing to do with its origin. If it came from a lab or from bats or pangolins or whatever that would still be true. There are many unique features about this c-virus. Having posted about it as much as you do I'm a bit surprised. The way in which it activates S has novel features, which is really the only thing that could have been conceivably engineered. The flexibility in terms of pathway choice for how it enters cells is much more sophisticated than what we saw with SARs or MERs, part of which probably contributes to cell fusigenic properties underlying the pathogenesis of COVID19. And the replicative potential of omicron is unprecedented for a c-virus, which remains to be figured out.



Not sure what your point is. Of course we were immunologically naieve to this virus; it was emergent. That's pretty obvious. I think what you are saying is that this virus will turn into another evolutionarily stable common cold C-virus. Reasonably steady state and seasonal. We will balance with it and it will balance with us. That is of course to be expected as the pandemic winds down; case load under that steady state will be an important factor. What I'm speaking to is novel variants emerging from resevoirs 5, 10, 20, 50 years down the line. The properties and virulence of those emergent strains are impossible to predict. But as long as such emergent viruses remain Ace2 directed, as of right now vaccination appears to provide the broadest long term immunological insurance policy.
I’d just point out that’s no different, including the zoonotic reserve, than the flu. Same risk to society. Same danger.

further, eventually, they’ll solve the vaccine issue..which is still in its toddlerhood (the tech even through the failures of the vaccine having grown leaps and bounds)
 
Lausd is suspending all sports for at least 1 week. Cif meeting next week to discuss how to handle. La county health might follow suit for private and religious schools and other schools districts. Unclear if this will extend to club sports.
 
So many are hypnotized this morning. Enter today with caution, kindness & empathy towards those who got played. Step #1. Admit you got played like Geraldo, go eat some pie and come back and tell us all how embarrassed you feel about yourself. Do it now and the scales will be lifted off your eyes. Trust me on this. Or, continue to get all your information from the source.

According to all these news outlets, no evidence of Mass Formation Psychosis according to Reuters, AP, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, USA Today, The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, New Yorker, The Washington Post, Star Tribune (Minneapolis), Chicago Tribune, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.
 
Lausd is suspending all sports for at least 1 week. Cif meeting next week to discuss how to handle. La county health might follow suit for private and religious schools and other schools districts. Unclear if this will extend to club sports.
Are there any restrictions on club sports? Of course, with many clubs using public school facilities, they will get suspended as well.

This can't be good for Santa Clara County. Hey @dad4, do you know how SC county compares to LA in terms of cases? I have to think we'll hit this at some point.
 
I have a few observations from our trip to FL I thought I'd share. I was in Fort Lauderdale.

Masks were optional inside. Some establishments appeared to require masks for employees but others definitely did not. There were still a significant number of people that wore masks inside stores - maybe about 1/3 or less. The bartender at the one spot we went to said a popular restaurant up the street couldn't open because they couldn't get workers. The place we went to twice on the beach was full. We sat outside at the bar both times and all the employees wore masks.

The flights were interesting. I have a lot of compassion for the flight attendants. Enforcing the mask policy obviously sucks. My wife was flying on business so she was up in first class. The guy next to her wasn't keeping his mask and/or didn't cover his nose. He kept asking for water so he could be actively drinking. She didn't complain about it but the flight attendant ended up giving my wife a $200 flight credit. My daughter and I sat on aisle seats across from each other. She had a woman and her son next to her. The woman was vaping and got caught. No big scene but the flight attendant told her the captain may put her on a no-fly list. I'm pretty sure the general population has moved toward the crazy side of the continuum since the pandemic. I had an empty middle seat - one of the few empty seats on the flight. I attribute that to my good living and virtue. My family does not agree.
 
I have a few observations from our trip to FL I thought I'd share. I was in Fort Lauderdale.

Masks were optional inside. Some establishments appeared to require masks for employees but others definitely did not. There were still a significant number of people that wore masks inside stores - maybe about 1/3 or less. The bartender at the one spot we went to said a popular restaurant up the street couldn't open because they couldn't get workers. The place we went to twice on the beach was full. We sat outside at the bar both times and all the employees wore masks.

The flights were interesting. I have a lot of compassion for the flight attendants. Enforcing the mask policy obviously sucks. My wife was flying on business so she was up in first class. The guy next to her wasn't keeping his mask and/or didn't cover his nose. He kept asking for water so he could be actively drinking. She didn't complain about it but the flight attendant ended up giving my wife a $200 flight credit. My daughter and I sat on aisle seats across from each other. She had a woman and her son next to her. The woman was vaping and got caught. No big scene but the flight attendant told her the captain may put her on a no-fly list. I'm pretty sure the general population has moved toward the crazy side of the continuum since the pandemic. I had an empty middle seat - one of the few empty seats on the flight. I attribute that to my good living and virtue. My family does not agree.
Vaping in flight? Geez-O, addicted much? She doesn’t know they have gum for that I suppose. People have gone wacko with their hostile feelings of self-entitlement. Courtesy is absent.
 
I have a few observations from our trip to FL I thought I'd share. I was in Fort Lauderdale.

Masks were optional inside. Some establishments appeared to require masks for employees but others definitely did not. There were still a significant number of people that wore masks inside stores - maybe about 1/3 or less. The bartender at the one spot we went to said a popular restaurant up the street couldn't open because they couldn't get workers. The place we went to twice on the beach was full. We sat outside at the bar both times and all the employees wore masks.

The flights were interesting. I have a lot of compassion for the flight attendants. Enforcing the mask policy obviously sucks. My wife was flying on business so she was up in first class. The guy next to her wasn't keeping his mask and/or didn't cover his nose. He kept asking for water so he could be actively drinking. She didn't complain about it but the flight attendant ended up giving my wife a $200 flight credit. My daughter and I sat on aisle seats across from each other. She had a woman and her son next to her. The woman was vaping and got caught. No big scene but the flight attendant told her the captain may put her on a no-fly list. I'm pretty sure the general population has moved toward the crazy side of the continuum since the pandemic. I had an empty middle seat - one of the few empty seats on the flight. I attribute that to my good living and virtue. My family does not agree.
Oh, one more thing. There was a family two rows in front of me - two adults and two children around 2-3 (girl) and 5 (boy). One of them wasn't keeping their mask on prior to the flight and the flight attendant let them know they would be removed from the plane if the mask didn't stay on. Noone was removed but it was a constant battle through the flight. Throughout it all, the parents were calm, or comatose. The girls had high-functioning lungs and exercised them liberally. She also coughed a lot. In the row between us, there were two men on the aisle. One had a bio-tech company hat that had "Covid Response Team" on it. They were none too pleased with what was going on in front of them - lots of head shaking and hand waving.
 
Are there any restrictions on club sports? Of course, with many clubs using public school facilities, they will get suspended as well.

This can't be good for Santa Clara County. Hey @dad4, do you know how SC county compares to LA in terms of cases? I have to think we'll hit this at some point.
SCC is lagging. Our hospital peak will be later and lower than LA. Our curve is flatter and more of us are vaccinated.

Either way, there is not much time left in Omicron, even for SCC. Peak seems to be when you reach 4-6X previous case peak. SCC is at about 2X previous case peak. Which means we have one or two doublings left. 3-7 days. Then things start to drop.

I don’t expect a major hit to sports up here. Maybe the indoor sports: futsal, basketball, and volleyball.
 
I have a few observations from our trip to FL I thought I'd share. I was in Fort Lauderdale.

Masks were optional inside. Some establishments appeared to require masks for employees but others definitely did not. There were still a significant number of people that wore masks inside stores - maybe about 1/3 or less. The bartender at the one spot we went to said a popular restaurant up the street couldn't open because they couldn't get workers. The place we went to twice on the beach was full. We sat outside at the bar both times and all the employees wore masks.

The flights were interesting. I have a lot of compassion for the flight attendants. Enforcing the mask policy obviously sucks. My wife was flying on business so she was up in first class. The guy next to her wasn't keeping his mask and/or didn't cover his nose. He kept asking for water so he could be actively drinking. She didn't complain about it but the flight attendant ended up giving my wife a $200 flight credit. My daughter and I sat on aisle seats across from each other. She had a woman and her son next to her. The woman was vaping and got caught. No big scene but the flight attendant told her the captain may put her on a no-fly list. I'm pretty sure the general population has moved toward the crazy side of the continuum since the pandemic. I had an empty middle seat - one of the few empty seats on the flight. I attribute that to my good living and virtue. My family does not agree.
Horrible experience for all involved. Vap is poison and I can;t believe someone is making a buck of that poison. Vap lungs are gnarly....
 
SCC is lagging. Our hospital peak will be later and lower than LA. Our curve is flatter and more of us are vaccinated.

Either way, there is not much time left in Omicron, even for SCC. Peak seems to be when you reach 4-6X previous case peak. SCC is at about 2X previous case peak. Which means we have one or two doublings left. 3-7 days. Then things start to drop.

I don’t expect a major hit to sports up here. Maybe the indoor sports: futsal, basketball, and volleyball.

Same in our neck of the woods. For us folks just aren't comfortable with indoor sports. It has less to do with any restrictions. Our futsal league starts this weekend spectator-less. I knew I should've bought a veo.

Last week schools were a bit rough as so many kids tested positive, but so far our public schools have been resilient.
 
Oh, one more thing. There was a family two rows in front of me - two adults and two children around 2-3 (girl) and 5 (boy). One of them wasn't keeping their mask on prior to the flight and the flight attendant let them know they would be removed from the plane if the mask didn't stay on. Noone was removed but it was a constant battle through the flight. Throughout it all, the parents were calm, or comatose. The girls had high-functioning lungs and exercised them liberally. She also coughed a lot. In the row between us, there were two men on the aisle. One had a bio-tech company hat that had "Covid Response Team" on it. They were none too pleased with what was going on in front of them - lots of head shaking and hand waving.

To be fair I would always go comatose when my kids were that age and we flew. Just brutal trying to calm a small unreasonable human being.
 
Oh, one more thing. There was a family two rows in front of me - two adults and two children around 2-3 (girl) and 5 (boy). One of them wasn't keeping their mask on prior to the flight and the flight attendant let them know they would be removed from the plane if the mask didn't stay on. Noone was removed but it was a constant battle through the flight. Throughout it all, the parents were calm, or comatose. The girls had high-functioning lungs and exercised them liberally. She also coughed a lot. In the row between us, there were two men on the aisle. One had a bio-tech company hat that had "Covid Response Team" on it. They were none too pleased with what was going on in front of them - lots of head shaking and hand waving.
First leg of my trip was quietest flight in a long time. Of course it left at 615 am. Only complaint is I might lose my left ear. KN95 was tight and felt like it cutoff circulation.

Parents that are oblivious to their kids behavior on flights astonish me. I was always petrified of any movement by my kids on flights.

Vaping WTF?
 
To be fair I would always go comatose when my kids were that age and we flew. Just brutal trying to calm a small unreasonable human being.
Did you force a mask on them too? This is abuse, pure evil. I took my dd to Cleveland back in early 2005. I kid you not, she made a man in front us hate kids forever. I called her "scandalosa" because she scream so hi!!!! One time dude was asleep and my dd went "hi pitch" and guy got all mad. I told him to relax and have some drinks. How sad now we have to talk about how unruly a two year old is because like me, i will never fly until this mask BS is over with. Thanks for ruining our country because of the orange man and his followers.
 
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