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It would be interesting to see what is being bought at a higher rate, or at the same rate but in short supply for additional demand. However, I believe the supply and sales of new cars are down due to insufficient supply of computer chips.

That's from a manufacturing problem at the chip-maker factories, not a shipping problem.
 
That's from a manufacturing problem at the chip-maker factories, not a shipping problem.
And? I didn't say anything about a shipping problem but there is a supply problem. @Desert Hound didn't say anything about a shipping problem either. @dad4 used the shipping container processing to show that we aren't really shipping that much / any less, indicating the supply issue is due to an increase in demand and not a decrease in supply. However, that's not the case with cars. Keeping you up to speed is no easy task.
 
It would be interesting to see what is being bought at a higher rate, or at the same rate but in short supply for additional demand. However, I believe the supply and sales of new cars are down due to insufficient supply of computer chips.

Insufficient supply of total semiconductors, or insufficient orders of some specific chips? I thought it was the second.

Some of the chip shortage is also an increase in demand as well. Everyone simultaneously upgrading their home computer setups certainly didn’t help.
 
And? I didn't say anything about a shipping problem but there is a supply problem. @Desert Hound didn't say anything about a shipping problem either. @dad4 used the shipping container processing to show that we aren't really shipping that much / any less, indicating the supply issue is due to an increase in demand and not a decrease in supply. However, that's not the case with cars. Keeping you up to speed is no easy task.

The computer chip problem is due to a decrease in supply caused by many factors, and a shift in manufacturing strategies caused in part by an early decision by US car manufacturers to cancel pending orders of the chips they needed because they incorrectly predicted a long-term hit to the economy (and thus car sales) that didn't happen.

From https://www.popsci.com/technology/global-chip-shortage/ --

As the world shut down because of the COVID-19 pandemic, many factories closed with it, making the supplies needed for chip manufacturing unavailable for months. Increased demand for consumer electronics caused shifts that rippled up the supply chain. Orders began to pile up as manufacturers struggled to create enough chips to meet the new levels of demand. A backlog began to grow and grow and grow.

Bad decisions by the auto industry also added to the shortage. When COVID started, many companies canceled their orders for chips because they assumed the economy was about to take a lengthy hit, says Lewis. Car companies in particular cancelled orders, so chip companies switched to making chips for consumer products, attempting to meet the explosive demand caused by the pandemic. Having retooled their plants to make chips for consumer goods instead of cars, a shortage of car chips ensued.

There aren’t many chip manufacturing plants in the world, and the few that were running during the pandemic were subject to a series of unlucky weather events that delayed the manufacturing process further. Japan’s Renesas plant, which creates almost one-third of the chips used in cars around the world, was severely damaged by a fire, while winter storms in Texas forced some of America’s only chip plants to halt production. Producing these chips also requires a lot of water, and severe drought in Taiwan has also
affected production.
 
Did Arizona have a different variant than other western states?
You say different variant and density

He says different population (like snowbirds and native Americans)

you are both doing the same thing…distinguishing. You can argue his is worse than yours or not valid but you’ve never engaged in the merits. You are doing the exact same thing with Los Angeles that he is doing in Arizona (which is perfectly valid thing to do) but the difference is you keep trying to take the moral high ground and he doesn’t.
 
The computer chip problem is due to a decrease in supply caused by many factors, and a shift in manufacturing strategies caused in part by an early decision by US car manufacturers to cancel pending orders of the chips they needed because they incorrectly predicted a long-term hit to the economy (and thus car sales) that didn't happen.

From https://www.popsci.com/technology/global-chip-shortage/ --

As the world shut down because of the COVID-19 pandemic, many factories closed with it, making the supplies needed for chip manufacturing unavailable for months. Increased demand for consumer electronics caused shifts that rippled up the supply chain. Orders began to pile up as manufacturers struggled to create enough chips to meet the new levels of demand. A backlog began to grow and grow and grow.

Bad decisions by the auto industry also added to the shortage. When COVID started, many companies canceled their orders for chips because they assumed the economy was about to take a lengthy hit, says Lewis. Car companies in particular cancelled orders, so chip companies switched to making chips for consumer products, attempting to meet the explosive demand caused by the pandemic. Having retooled their plants to make chips for consumer goods instead of cars, a shortage of car chips ensued.

There aren’t many chip manufacturing plants in the world, and the few that were running during the pandemic were subject to a series of unlucky weather events that delayed the manufacturing process further. Japan’s Renesas plant, which creates almost one-third of the chips used in cars around the world, was severely damaged by a fire, while winter storms in Texas forced some of America’s only chip plants to halt production. Producing these chips also requires a lot of water, and severe drought in Taiwan has also
affected production.
False!!!
 
Here is what's going on now folks. We are now entering Covid Season. The Flu was hijacked and replaced FYI. Poor flu, never had a chance and for sure didnt see this coming.
 
You say different variant and density

He says different population (like snowbirds and native Americans)

you are both doing the same thing…distinguishing. You can argue his is worse than yours or not valid but you’ve never engaged in the merits. You are doing the exact same thing with Los Angeles that he is doing in Arizona (which is perfectly valid thing to do) but the difference is you keep trying to take the moral high ground and he doesn’t.
No need to contest it. Hound has a valid point on elderly demographics for FL and NV.

I suspect NY, MA, and CA look a little better than they really are because of the number of people who retire out of state. I’d need numbers to say how much.

I don’t believe Hound has a point on native American reservations. Apache and Navajo are just too small in population to explain the overall state strend.

And snowbirds cuts against him. You can’t blame out of town people for cases with one breath and ask for restaurants, bars, and hotels to stay open with the next. Where does he think the snowbirds were spreading it? Outdoors? Or at the bar in the evening?
 
No need to contest it. Hound has a valid point on elderly demographics for FL and NV.

I suspect NY, MA, and CA look a little better than they really are because of the number of people who retire out of state. I’d need numbers to say how much.

I don’t believe Hound has a point on native American reservations. Apache and Navajo are just too small in population to explain the overall state strend.

And snowbirds cuts against him. You can’t blame out of town people for cases with one breath and ask for restaurants, bars, and hotels to stay open with the next. Where does he think the snowbirds were spreading it? Outdoors? Or at the bar in the evening?
My wife and I spoke with a Native American lady in Oklahoma and she told us that the poor Native American tribes were being offered $1000 to take jab. I wake my wife up if I need to to double check on my information. I think it was $1000 per family member. She was so sad because the poor Natives felt desperate and she said most took the folks up on the $1K each. Also, regarding the AZ cause of death by or because of Covid or by no vax or vax death cause. Crush has two cents worth of information. I think Husker and Golden Gate are looking to have me removed by Dom. My One Cent- Lot's of people have moved from California to AZ the last two years and the last 40 years. My Two Cent- My neighbor's pal had a heart attack last week and died in Scottsdale. He moved from OC to AZ last year. The death is ruled AZ death when the fact is the dude who died lived in Cali his whole life. This is what happens when you play math games with death. It's a sick way to wake up and play games like that.
 
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We have an unusually high death rate on the reservations. People on the reservations have a history of not being terribly healthy. NM is another state that has significant deaths on reservations. Both states took vastly different approaches. And yet outcomes are not that different.

I am a big fan of AZ. Outside of a couple weeks at the beginning of the school yr last yr they were in school full time. Your kid and most in CA didn't have that luxury.

That right there is check and mate over CA. My kids didn't suffer getting stuck wasting a yr not going to school, hanging with friends in school, playing sports, both HS and club.
Native Americans make up 5% of the AZ population and 12% of the Covid deaths. That's disproportionately high, but doesn't really explain the higher death rate in AZ - its a (minor) factor.

Most of the public HS that kids on my son's team went to were closed for a large portion of the school year. Charter & private schools followed their own paths, excluding a few weeks at the start of the school year as you said. Most every school, that I'm aware of also had an online learning option and so followed a hybrid model with mask mandates in school.

Fwiw, I do think AZ has handled it better than CA, and I'm happy about that.
 
Native Americans make up 5% of the AZ population and 12% of the Covid deaths. That's disproportionately high, but doesn't really explain the higher death rate in AZ - its a (minor) factor.

Most of the public HS that kids on my son's team went to were closed for a large portion of the school year. Charter & private schools followed their own paths, excluding a few weeks at the start of the school year as you said. Most every school, that I'm aware of also had an online learning option and so followed a hybrid model with mask mandates in school.

Fwiw, I do think AZ has handled it better than CA, and I'm happy about that.

any unified theory of what happened in Arizona has to account for what happened in New Mexico as well. New Mexico did relatively well compared to Arizona but it's lockdowns were as harsh as California and they had a limited travel ban in place plus New Mexico (unlike Texas, AZ, and California) isn't really a surge zone for southern border crossings due to the location of its cities. Relative to California (with it's SoCal variant) or even neighboring Colorado (which pursued a much more moderate policy) it's not a good outcome.
 
any unified theory of what happened in Arizona has to account for what happened in New Mexico as well. New Mexico did relatively well compared to Arizona but it's lockdowns were as harsh as California and they had a limited travel ban in place plus New Mexico (unlike Texas, AZ, and California) isn't really a surge zone for southern border crossings due to the location of its cities. Relative to California (with it's SoCal variant) or even neighboring Colorado (which pursued a much more moderate policy) it's not a good outcome.

its != it's
 
any unified theory of what happened in Arizona has to account for what happened in New Mexico as well. New Mexico did relatively well compared to Arizona but it's lockdowns were as harsh as California and they had a limited travel ban in place plus New Mexico (unlike Texas, AZ, and California) isn't really a surge zone for southern border crossings due to the location of its cities. Relative to California (with it's SoCal variant) or even neighboring Colorado (which pursued a much more moderate policy) it's not a good outcome.
I'm not sure what correlation you are trying to make with New Mexico tbh. 75% of the Covid deaths in AZ were in Maricopa, Pima & Pinal counties (none border NM). That correlates to population density imv and not New Mexico and not Indian reservations. Add in the 3 western counties which border CA and which don't have a large reservation footprint, and you get to 85% of the AZ deaths. Native American deaths are disproportionately high, but not a primary driver of the AZ deaths.
 
any unified theory of what happened in Arizona has to account for what happened in New Mexico as well. New Mexico did relatively well compared to Arizona but it's lockdowns were as harsh as California and they had a limited travel ban in place plus New Mexico (unlike Texas, AZ, and California) isn't really a surge zone for southern border crossings due to the location of its cities. Relative to California (with it's SoCal variant) or even neighboring Colorado (which pursued a much more moderate policy) it's not a good outcome.
I was up in Claremont this past Sunday having lunch with the Outlaws. Thai place over by where all the smart people go to college. It was insane Grace T. Mask on everywhere. I estimate 95% masked up. Not mandated but understood to be cool one needs to follow orders. Mask & Jabs is the new normal and this town of future Pros is showing us how to be nice with a mask on. It's just the right thing to do. My wife and I decided not to wear a mask and no one said a word and all were so nice. My wife was complimented on how young she looked and her smile of light. I think many of these people are just going to live this way, you know the way, the way of just being used to Pandemics every year. You will never hear about the flu season ever again in this new normal. It will be Covid 19 for now and them some Pox poison later, that Tony and Billy come up that will scare even me to move to the outdoors. The city life is starting to look like it always has: Controlled love & make believe friendships. This kind of relationship is fake and only works if you roll your sleeve up for the fake team and take boosters for ever, all so your fake friends will accept you. I believe this is all an act to force vax passport to enter shows and sporting events in the future. No proof, no entry. I could be wrong. Howard Stern is pissed off and does not like liars.

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I'm not sure what correlation you are trying to make with New Mexico tbh. 75% of the Covid deaths in AZ were in Maricopa, Pima & Pinal counties (none border NM). That correlates to population density imv and not New Mexico and not Indian reservations. Add in the 3 western counties which border CA and which don't have a large reservation footprint, and you get to 85% of the AZ deaths. Native American deaths are disproportionately high, but not a primary driver of the AZ deaths.

Yet NM underperformed, relative to similar states with similar restrictions (and in California the SoCal variant).
 
I'm not sure what correlation you are trying to make with New Mexico tbh. 75% of the Covid deaths in AZ were in Maricopa, Pima & Pinal counties (none border NM). That correlates to population density imv and not New Mexico and not Indian reservations. Add in the 3 western counties which border CA and which don't have a large reservation footprint, and you get to 85% of the AZ deaths. Native American deaths are disproportionately high, but not a primary driver of the AZ deaths.
I think the point is you have 2 states that neighbor each other. They took vastly different routes in terms of gov intervention. NM in many cases had more restrictions vs CA. And yet NM and AZ ended up in roughly the same situation.

That tells you it isn't gov intervention driving the difference. That also means the differences in regions likely come down to more the overall health of the population, the age of the population, etc.

And then you can look at other states.

CA for instance. Why is that other states with similar cases per million have in some cases much more deaths per million and other less per million?

It likely again relates to the demographics of the various states.
 
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