Vaccine

Grace T. said:
Then why you banging your head against the wall?:

-You have no policy prescription
-You are only preaching
-You admit people won't listen to your preaching.

What's the point? Unlike the Baptist minister, your soul won't be damned if you fail to do your duty.

or hey...you could do something useful and tell folks they should probably avoid indoor gatherings with the elderly relatives, at a minimum should get a COVID test, and never ever be around them if they are feeling the slightest bit ill? Maybe even volunteer to pick up their groceries and meds?
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The truly sad thing is because grandma is getting older and some people because of the travel pains haven't seen them a while, they'll fly off to see grandma for the first time in almost 2 years. But they've been told the vaccines work and the breakthroughs are rare and grandma is triple vaxxed. They've been told the masks works. And it will be too cold to celebrate outside.
 
Grace T. said:
The truly sad thing is because grandma is getting older and some people because of the travel pains haven't seen them a while, they'll fly off to see grandma for the first time in almost 2 years. But they've been told the vaccines work and the breakthroughs are rare and grandma is triple vaxxed. They've been told the masks works. And it will be too cold to celebrate outside.
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On the news this morning they were talking to 5-11 year olds that had just gotten vaccinated. One girl said "she could finally have a pillow fight with her best friend", triplet girls said they "couldn't wait to play soccer". WTF are their actually parents out there that kept their kids isolated this entire time?
 
watfly said:
Dad4's song:


The rest of us:


Ironic considering the band grew up in Manhattan Beach, oh the struggles.
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Well, he might benefit from listening to a little Celine Dione. "Hadn't we better get the women and children loaded first, sir?" The idea that school children need to continue to mask, be restricted from seeing their friends, not have sleeperovers or other things which are so essential to childhood and be vaccinated for the sake of the elderly is just so backwards.

 
watfly said:
On the news this morning they were talking to 5-11 year olds that had just gotten vaccinated. One girl said "she could finally have a pillow fight with her best friend", triplet girls said they "couldn't wait to play soccer". WTF are their actually parents out there that kept their kids isolated this entire time?
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Um...yeah there is.

Someone on here recently was mad a the people not wearing masks because it means his/her kid could still not do sleepovers and do birthday parties.

That is just one of many examples.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
The only thing I'd add is that I differentiate between "personality" and "character". Two people with exactly the same perspectives may present those perspectives outwardly in very different ways. To me, this is "personality". Character is what is behind every action. My opinion of T's character was that it was worse than H - no small feat and not by a lot. Given how he handled the post-election process, I feel that opinion is further supported.
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I understand when you die on a hill it's hard to get off it, but my point is the hill you, and many on this thread, choose to die on is completely insignificant and utterly ridiculous in many ways. Who even uses politicians and character in the same breath? Yet, the best example you can come up with is handling of the post-election process? I mean come on, were you in a coma during HRCs (and the entire democrat world) never ending handling of the 2016 post election results? No need to be honest with me but you can't lie to yourself. In fact, I believe it was you, that revealed the actual truth in a previous post, something along the lines of - your wife wouldn't let you vote for Trump. Don't feel bad, you weren't alone, plenty of other men(lowercase) submitted to their wives as well.

Let me try it this way, name your top 3 Trump accomplishments/policies that you did not like and what top 3 HRC would have done better?
 
MicPaPa said:
I understand when you die on a hill it's hard to get off it, but my point is the hill you, and many on this thread, choose to die on is completely insignificant and utterly ridiculous in many ways. Who even uses politicians and character in the same breath? Yet, the best example you can come up with is handling of the post-election process? I mean come on, were you in a coma during HRCs (and the entire democrat world) never ending handling of the 2016 post election results? No need to be honest with me but you can't lie to yourself. In fact, I believe it was you, that revealed the actual truth in a previous post, something along the lines of - your wife wouldn't let you vote for Trump. Don't feel bad, you weren't alone, plenty of other men(lowercase) submitted to their wives as well.

Let me try it this way, name your top 3 Trump accomplishments/policies that you did not like and what top 3 HRC would have done better?
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Dude, say…Pop. That would be the sound of Trumps balls coming out of your mouth. Grow a pair, and stop being a fanboy.
 
Grace T. said:
Then why you banging your head against the wall?:

-You have no policy prescription
-You are only preaching
-You admit people won't listen to your preaching.

What's the point? Unlike the Baptist minister, your soul won't be damned if you fail to do your duty.

or hey...you could do something useful and tell folks they should probably avoid indoor gatherings with the elderly relatives, at a minimum should get a COVID test, and never ever be around them if they are feeling the slightest bit ill? Maybe even volunteer to pick up their groceries and meds?
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You think I should do something useful and tell folks what they should do?

Got it. Here goes:

1- get your shots.
2- have your kids get their shots.
3- wear the stupid mask when indoors or near other people.
4- have your kid wear their stupid mask when indoors or near other people.
5- move your gatherings outside. (especially if any elderly people will be there)
6- take the day off when you have fever, stuffy nose, or any other cold symptom.
7- find out whether your nursing home shares staff with other nursing homes.
8- stop complaining about every single mask/vaccine/distancing requirement

There you go. Happy to help.

Did you think I was going to say that you should just live exactly the same way you did in 2019? World changed. Time to change with it.
 
MicPaPa said:
I understand when you die on a hill it's hard to get off it, but my point is the hill you, and many on this thread, choose to die on is completely insignificant and utterly ridiculous in many ways. Who even uses politicians and character in the same breath? Yet, the best example you can come up with is handling of the post-election process? I mean come on, were you in a coma during HRCs (and the entire democrat world) never ending handling of the 2016 post election results? No need to be honest with me but you can't lie to yourself. In fact, I believe it was you, that revealed the actual truth in a previous post, something along the lines of - your wife wouldn't let you vote for Trump. Don't feel bad, you weren't alone, plenty of other men(lowercase) submitted to their wives as well.

Let me try it this way, name your top 3 Trump accomplishments/policies that you did not like and what top 3 HRC would have done better?
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You're fighting a battle against claims that no one is making. No one is dying on the hill of personality or character. You're the only one promoting personality vs policies as a binary decision.

Any mention of HRC makes me throw-up in my mouth. Any mention of Trump makes me roll my eyes and shake my head. Any mention of Biden makes me think WTF as I grasp my head with both hands worrying about where were going to end up in 39 months at this rate.

We're on the same team, just at different positions.
 
dad4 said:
World changed. Time to change with it.
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Right there is your problem. Not it hasn't. We've been living with illnesses for millenia. It's the height of arrogance to assume something about this moment is special. And in any case, it's pretty much over (at least it's as good as it's going to get). Time to get back to normal.

p.s. your authoritarian streak is showing again in No 8., which does nothing to help anyone except make you feel better about what you are asking
 
Grace T. said:
Trump wasn't on the ballot in Virginia. He wisely stayed away. Youngkin didn't have any glaring personal issues. There are two separate issues:

1) should character count in selecting the nation's leader...I'm agnostic on this, though I do think given the President does some flag waiving it is of some (but not overarching) importance. It's a rational position to say it should count as 0%...but only if you give it a pass for both sides (otherwise you are just doing the partisan warrior thing)...that means Clinton and his lady friends shouldn't have been part of the conversation if you are consistent.

2) does character in fact count in selecting the nation's leader. You are one out of millions of voters....unfortunately for you the reality is that for many people it does matter. How much does it matter? The way to probably think about it is as power boost in a video game....a positive boost (such as winning a war a la Eisenhower or Collin Powell) might get you a bonus on top of the issues but can't save you from a very negative position....a negative penalty can sink you particularly if you have a good opponent (or in Biden's case one that chose to use COVID to hide in the basement and then just be a blank slate to everyone). The reality is Trump is toxic so he'd be going into 2024 with an overwhelming negative penalty. Could he still be Harris? Maybe...depends on facts on the ground....but he's starting with an anvil on him.

p.s. I'm no Romney or Jeb! fan....I've been saying since lawschool the problem with the Republican party is that they have a leadership more concerned with coddling elites than willing to fight. There was a moment in the debates where Romney could have turned it....he was asked about the Republican Party....he could have said "for far too long the Republican Party has been concerned with the rich and well off instead of working americans" but he's not that guy.
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I'll say it again, I can understand being unable to get off a hill when you die on it, but my point is the vast majority of non-emotional voters don't die on this hill, and Virginia was a clear example in many ways, here are just a few:

1) Youngkin publicly sought and Trump publicly gave him his endorsement.

2) I believe Younkin ran the same type of campaign Trump would have - he ran on his own two feet, focused on God, country, education, social issues, jobs, and taxes. Also, he brought in no (R) politicians or outsiders, especially not Washington establishment types.

3) Last night on the nation's #1 cable news show, Youngkin, in his own words not mine, publicly and directly acknowledged Trump's robocalls as very significant to his election.

4) Youngkin benefited greatly from Trump's continuing hispanic shift (Note: Google a local election result Tues in San Antonio TX for another amazing hispanic shift).

4) Per Wash Post:
Youngkin - "Favorable of Trump" +90
McAuliffe - "Unfavorable of Trump" +66

To the contrary, your points regarding Trump and personality were on full display in Virginia.

1) I have family in Virginia and McAuliffe flooded the airwaves with anti-Trump messaging and went heavy tying Youngkin to Trump.

2) McAuliffe pulled out all the stops bringing in all the democrats biggest "personalities" including; Obama, sitting Pres and VP, celebs, national teachers union leader etc etc etc.

3) The media did their part throwing the whole trash Trump playbook at Youngkin and using the tired race baiting drivel, shamelessly on a black lieutenant governor and hispanic AG.

Your points were directly tested in Virginia and clearly failed. But don't feel bad, as you can see in this thread there is plenty of company on that tiny hill.
 
MicPaPa said:
I'll say it again, I can understand being unable to get off a hill when you die on it, but my point is the vast majority of non-emotional voters don't die on this hill, and Virginia was a clear example in many ways, here are just a few:

1) Youngkin publicly sought and Trump publicly gave him his endorsement.

2) I believe Younkin ran the same type of campaign Trump would have - he ran on his own two feet, focused on God, country, education, social issues, jobs, and taxes. Also, he brought in no (R) politicians or outsiders, especially not Washington establishment types.

3) Last night on the nation's #1 cable news show, Youngkin, in his own words not mine, publicly and directly acknowledged Trump's robocalls as very significant to his election.

4) Youngkin benefited greatly from Trump's continuing hispanic shift (Note: Google a local election result Tues in San Antonio TX for another amazing hispanic shift).

4) Per Wash Post:
Youngkin - "Favorable of Trump" +90
McAuliffe - "Unfavorable of Trump" +66

To the contrary, your points regarding Trump and personality were on full display in Virginia.

1) I have family in Virginia and McAuliffe flooded the airwaves with anti-Trump messaging and went heavy tying Youngkin to Trump.

2) McAuliffe pulled out all the stops bringing in all the democrats biggest "personalities" including; Obama, sitting Pres and VP, celebs, national teachers union leader etc etc etc.

3) The media did their part throwing the whole trash Trump playbook at Youngkin and using the tired race baiting drivel, shamelessly on a black lieutenant governor and hispanic AG.

Your points were directly tested in Virginia and clearly failed. But don't feel bad, as you can see in this thread there is plenty of company on that tiny hill.
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fanboy
 
watfly said:
I'm being a bit facetious, but I have trouble pinning a distinct "ist" label on Trump, he seems to me he was dick to anyone he didn't like regardless of race, religion, creed, gender, physical ability. Not condoning it, just saying.
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I actually believe people are dicks who loosely and reflexively use the "ist" lable as their only response to destroy those with whom they disagree. I also believe it is an ever growing weakness in Men to throw the manners flag when one calls a dick a dick.

I believe this country has made it to where it is on the backs of brave men and women whom, when necessary, stand by the belief - when hit with a stick, hit back with the whole damn tree.

The only thing toxic about "toxic masculinity" is its toxicity to the country. It's time men reassume their roles as Men. Now that's a MANdate the country is in need of.
 
MicPaPa said:
I actually believe people are dicks who loosely and reflexively use the "ist" lable as their only response to destroy those with whom they disagree. I also believe it is an ever growing weakness in Men to throw the manners flag when one calls a dick a dick.

I believe this country has made it to where it is on the backs of brave men and women whom, when necessary, stand by the belief - when hit with a stick, hit back with the whole damn tree.

The only thing toxic about "toxic masculinity" is its toxicity to the country. It's time men reassume their roles as Men. Now that's a MANdate the country is in need of.
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...Fearless, Jason Whitlock?
 
dad4 said:
You think I should do something useful and tell folks what they should do?

Got it. Here goes:

1- get your shots.
2- have your kids get their shots.
3- wear the stupid mask when indoors or near other people.
4- have your kid wear their stupid mask when indoors or near other people.
5- move your gatherings outside. (especially if any elderly people will be there)
6- take the day off when you have fever, stuffy nose, or any other cold symptom.
7- find out whether your nursing home shares staff with other nursing homes.
8- stop complaining about every single mask/vaccine/distancing requirement

There you go. Happy to help.

Did you think I was going to say that you should just live exactly the same way you did in 2019? World changed. Time to change with it.
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Agree. Stop embracing Socialism. Millions have been murdered because of such beliefs.
 
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