Vaccine

Hüsker Dü said:
I have asked this many, many times before and got crickets. What accomplishments? What policies?
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1. economy was good. At least it wasn’t as horrible as it is now
2. No new foreign wars. No great foreign humiliations. Now we have afghanistan
3. Immigration was at least somewhat controlled. Regardless of your stance on reform its wasn’t the disaster it is today
And then 4. Conservative judges (which if you believe in expansionist constitution you’d hate but it’s still an achievement
5. Deregulation (ditto)

true there ain’t a great new deal. But that shows your bias. It’s the left and the Romney Republicans that are looking for the great solution. Most Americans just want competent govt, not be humiliated, nothing too extreme. It’s why bill Clinton did so well despite the character issue.
 
Grace T. said:
1. economy was good. At least it wasn’t as horrible as it is now
2. No new foreign wars. No great foreign humiliations. Now we have afghanistan
3. Immigration was at least somewhat controlled. Regardless of your stance on reform its wasn’t the disaster it is today
And then 4. Conservative judges (which if you believe in expansionist constitution you’d hate but it’s still an achievement
5. Deregulation (ditto)

true there ain’t a great new deal. But that shows your bias. It’s the left and the Romney Republicans that are looking for the great solution. Most Americans just want competent govt, not be humiliated, nothing too extreme. It’s why bill Clinton did so well despite the character issue.
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Ps but for covid trump probably still would have won. I agree with kicking though…his behavior post election has changed that too…made him even more toxic (yeah I know that’s hard to believe)
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Prior to 2016, I couldn't imagine someone with character so bad that I'd vote for Hilary Clinton. Then it happened. Based on how he handled himself after the election he lost, I am at peace voting for Hilary and a cardboard cutout over Trump. It never even got to policy with him.
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Not sure how you sleep at night ;) . You could have pulled my and Espola's fence sitter move and just abstained from voting for President. Your lucky your vote for President is meaningless in California, or our friendship would be on the rocks. I almost went libertarian in last election before I realized that guy was a few fries short.

Be honest, you just did it to save face with your neighbors. You need to get out of NoCal, you're being corrupted.:p:p:p
 
Interesting study being picked up by ny post. Will post later. But take away is deer are transmitting covid to each other (mink are the other ones we know of)…possible they can transmit to humans (unlike dogs and cats which are inefficient spreaders). Also interesting earliest sample is January 2020. Note Animal reservoir means zero covid not possible unless you also vaccinate or eliminate the animals.
 
Grace T. said:
1. economy was good. At least it wasn’t as horrible as it is now
2. No new foreign wars. No great foreign humiliations. Now we have afghanistan
3. Immigration was at least somewhat controlled. Regardless of your stance on reform its wasn’t the disaster it is today
And then 4. Conservative judges (which if you believe in expansionist constitution you’d hate but it’s still an achievement
5. Deregulation (ditto)

true there ain’t a great new deal. But that shows your bias. It’s the left and the Romney Republicans that are looking for the great solution. Most Americans just want competent govt, not be humiliated, nothing too extreme. It’s why bill Clinton did so well despite the character issue.
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IMO his greatest accomplishment may have been energy independence. Not just fuel costs but geopolitically that was a home run in my book.

I honestly don't care who anyone voted for. I just find it annoying when someone denies the truth for purely partisan reasons.
 
Grace T. said:
Interesting study being picked up by ny post. Will post later. But take away is deer are transmitting covid to each other (mink are the other ones we know of)…possible they can transmit to humans (unlike dogs and cats which are inefficient spreaders). Also interesting earliest sample is January 2020. Note Animal reservoir means zero covid not possible unless you also vaccinate or eliminate the animals.
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More reasons to get vaccinated.
 
watfly said:
Not sure how you sleep at night ;) . You could have pulled my and Espola's fence sitter move and just abstained from voting for President. Your lucky your vote for President is meaningless in California, or our friendship would be on the rocks. I almost went libertarian in last election before I realized that guy was a few fries short.

Be honest, you just did it to save face with your neighbors. You need to get out of NoCal, you're being corrupted.:p:p:p
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Ha! I haven't seen any of my neighbors in over 20 months. I'm pretty sure they are all still there from the Uber Eats and Amazon deliveries to their doors ;) No, we don't spend much time with our neighbors. I know a few casually as I do my own yard work. I would never discuss politics with any of them. People are too crazy nowadays. I could definitely see a few of them reporting distancing violations from people on walks in the neighborhood - as has happened.

Dude, a few fries short was head and shoulders above the other candidates. I probably wouldn't have voted at all but my wife talked about being an example for our daughter, yada, yada, yada. Here was how I arrived at voting for Hilary. I asked myself if my one vote would make a difference in getting H or T elected, would I feel better about not voting for either and T winning? I had to laugh when Trump won. I remember thinking that nominating Trump was the biggest gift to Hilary. Turns out it was the other way around. Of course, if you listened to the media, you would have thought Trump didn't stand a chance. Show how out of touch they are.
 
espola said:
And yet it was invented by Spanish speakers.
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That may be the dumbest thing you have ever said.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

Most surfers realize you shouldn't be out when there are great whites around attacking other surfers.

Your comeback? You do realize some surfer still surf when sharks are around.

You are consistent though. Rarely ever make a logical or coherent post. Don't change. Oh and yeah MORE GOVERNMENT is your other consistency.
 
Grace T. said:
i couldn't tell you the exact orders of magnitude. Do the exact numbers really even matter this point? I can only tell you that given the evidence in front of us at the current time, one scenario is possible but would require a lot of variable to line up to make happen and is therefore highly unlikely at this point, and the other is not only possible but has a lot of evidence stacked up at this point. You have a little of one thing, a lot of the other.

It probably comes, BTW, from our respective training. You science types are taught to break it down into numbers...the numbers are all that matters. We lawyer types are taught to assess possible/not possible and which is likelier in our evaluation of evidence. The first year of law school is taught mostly to think critically and to identify problems. The second (where most people take evidence) is how to assess those problems (the third is mostly a waste by way of training but hey the law school has to make money). It's why you probably are advised against hiring a lawyer for a business role....they'll tell you all the problems with an idea instead of how to go forward.
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Would it make you feel better if I said I ordered the code red?
 
watfly said:
IMO his greatest accomplishment may have been energy independence. Not just fuel costs but geopolitically that was a home run in my book.

I honestly don't care who anyone voted for. I just find it annoying when someone denies the truth for purely partisan reasons.
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Fuel costs were higher in 2017, 2018 & 2019 relative to the 3 preceding years under Obama. They dropped in 2020 as the world closed down. There is also a correlation between the oil price and the economic viability of fracking to get it out of the ground. So the higher price meant more fracking of marginal fields. Of course fracking is not exactly environmentally friendly, so removing regulations for the oil companies to make more money at higher prices to the detriment of any local environments and people, was a price worth paying for their profits "energy independence".

The current costs are partly to do with a surge in demand as the world opens up and the fact that the oil producers are making hay while they gradually increase production to meet the demand, i.e. they probably make more money with a "short" supply / high demand scenario, and do not want a surge in supply which would drive the price down.

Energy independence is also a bit of a "meh" for me. There is a strategic (defense) advantage in keeping our oil in the ground and using everyone elses as a hedge against a day when their's is all used up and we are still oil "rich". Practically we have more than enough energy production to meet any defense needs, so the independence thing is just a dog whistle.
 
whatithink said:
Fuel costs were higher in 2017, 2018 & 2019 relative to the 3 preceding years under Obama. They dropped in 2020 as the world closed down. There is also a correlation between the oil price and the economic viability of fracking to get it out of the ground. So the higher price meant more fracking of marginal fields. Of course fracking is not exactly environmentally friendly, so removing regulations for the oil companies to make more money at higher prices to the detriment of any local environments and people, was a price worth paying for their profits "energy independence".

The current costs are partly to do with a surge in demand as the world opens up and the fact that the oil producers are making hay while they gradually increase production to meet the demand, i.e. they probably make more money with a "short" supply / high demand scenario, and do not want a surge in supply which would drive the price down.

Energy independence is also a bit of a "meh" for me. There is a strategic (defense) advantage in keeping our oil in the ground and using everyone elses as a hedge against a day when their's is all used up and we are still oil "rich". Practically we have more than enough energy production to meet any defense needs, so the independence thing is just a dog whistle.
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Wrong. Gas prices were higher for 6 out Obama's 8 years as compared to Trump years. If you take inflation/cost of living into account, Obama actually had higher prices for all 8 years. Please research your facts. The one below are from Data Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Thanks.

Gasoline Prices Adjusted for Inflation | US Inflation Calculator

Gasoline prices are often very volatile with sharp swings in what American pay at the pump. The average price of gasoline dropped nearly 17% in 2020.
www.usinflationcalculator.com www.usinflationcalculator.com
 
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