Vaccine

dad4 said:
You think I should do something useful and tell folks what they should do?

Got it. Here goes:

1- get your shots.
2- have your kids get their shots.
3- wear the stupid mask when indoors or near other people.
4- have your kid wear their stupid mask when indoors or near other people.
5- move your gatherings outside. (especially if any elderly people will be there)
6- take the day off when you have fever, stuffy nose, or any other cold symptom.
7- find out whether your nursing home shares staff with other nursing homes.
8- stop complaining about every single mask/vaccine/distancing requirement

There you go. Happy to help.

Did you think I was going to say that you should just live exactly the same way you did in 2019? World changed. Time to change with it.
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Agree. Stop embracing Socialism. Millions have been murdered because of such beliefs.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Why do you need government to make it all better?
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It's just grace's universal way of criticizing any proposal to reduce covid cases.

If you suggest a policy, then you go must be a Maoist Nazi Stalinist authoritarian.

If you suggest people should change their behavior, then you're a Calvinist Baptist preacher.

At some point, we need to connect the dots:
from "masks are child abuse"
to higher rates of community spread
to "my elderly relative just got sent to the hospital."
 
Grace T. said:
It doesn't really have to be. But policy does require some collective action...can't just be preaching. Government is just usually the default because it has the monopoly on force.
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Isn’t that what conservatives always use to say about charity, “that’s what churches are for”? They preach in churches if you didn’t know, but maybe I got it wrong and you aren’t a “conservative”.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
And? Biden beat trump. They both suck, trump sucks worse. trump lost to a has been. Belief in his lies was trumps only hope, people quit believing them . . . well at least enough to send him packing.
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Nice - we agree on something...both suck. The issue is that people should control the urge to vote emotionally. I know it's hard. We weren't able to supress the instinct in grade school. It's worse now.

Unfortunately we live in a time where opinion is skin deep and shaped for us. Most people I know that voted for Biden voted against trump and not for biden. Elections have consequences, now we sit, wait, and wallow. Fortunately we can influence things more locally. NJ and VA are a great example. NY to some degree as well. CA missed it's opportunity or chose the lesser of the available evils. Don't hate you for that, Elder wasn't the right guy.
 
what-happened said:
Nice - we agree on something...both suck. The issue is that people should control the urge to vote emotionally. I know it's hard. We weren't able to supress the instinct in grade school. It's worse now.

Unfortunately we live in a time where opinion is skin deep and shaped for us. Most people I know that voted for Biden voted against trump and not for biden. Elections have consequences, now we sit, wait, and wallow. Fortunately we can influence things more locally. NJ and VA are a great example. NY to some degree as well. CA missed it's opportunity or chose the lesser of the available evils. Don't hate you for that, Elder wasn't the right guy.
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The vote for Trump was a knee jerk reaction to Obama, and the vote for Biden was a knee jerk reaction to Trump. Oversimplification, but not far from the truth.
 
MacDre said:
Dude, say…Pop. That would be the sound of Trumps balls coming out of your mouth. Grow a pair, and stop being a fanboy.
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"Dude," clean your ears. Actually, that would be the sound of your mom's dentures being removed in preparation to receive the pair you recommended I grow.
 
watfly said:
The vote for Trump was a knee jerk reaction to Obama, and the vote for Biden was a knee jerk reaction to Trump. Oversimplification, but not far from the truth.
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It is actually simple. The vote for Trump was for specific policies and promises made, and kept, as a counter to specific Obama policies and promises made, and kept, coupled with securing Scalia's SCOTUS seat....the blasting back at the media was a welcome bonus and roadmap for (R)'s.

The vote for Biden was an emotional personality play, with little if anything to do with policies/accomplishments, at least that anyone is willing to cite, but maybe I missed something. I know I know, you want both, and my kids want a flying dragon....but in the current reality you get two choices, and in this case two measurable records. It'll always come down to how those records directly affect you and yours. ***See the data behind Virginia and New Jersey.
 
dad4 said:
It's just grace's universal way of criticizing any proposal to reduce covid cases.

If you suggest a policy, then you go must be a Maoist Nazi Stalinist authoritarian.

If you suggest people should change their behavior, then you're a Calvinist Baptist preacher.

At some point, we need to connect the dots:
from "masks are child abuse"
to higher rates of community spread
to "my elderly relative just got sent to the hospital."
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Or maybe you avoid outlining your policies because you know deep down they are authoritarian, so you fall back on the preaching which is…you know…preaching.

as to the elderly relatives as watfly has repeatedly said we don’t put sacrifices on them to save their elders. It’s not the way it works. Worried about grandma post vaxx? Grandma can wear the n95, you can do her shopping and pharmacy runs, only allow the tested and vaccinated around her. But don’t steal The kids childhoods.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Isn’t that what conservatives always use to say about charity, “that’s what churches are for”? They preach in churches if you didn’t know, but maybe I got it wrong and you aren’t a “conservative”.
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So much wrong in this:
A. Not a conservative
B. Charity is not policy
C. Churches can be policy. Eg maybe the pope should tell the priests to preach vaccination. Again it’s a collective action
D. But there’s a distinction between that and morality
E. Dad4 seems more concerned with manners and morality than policy, which more often than not involves coercive force
F. You also make the common liberal fallacy: something must be done…this is something…let’s do this. Do nothing is policy too.
 
watfly said:
The vote for Trump was a knee jerk reaction to Obama, and the vote for Biden was a knee jerk reaction to Trump. Oversimplification, but not far from the truth.
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Certainly not far from the truth. I think the Trump effect is unique. Incredibly polarizing. I know people who would have voted for the Saguaro cactus in my back yard if it was the dem candidate. Biden certainly didn't energize many people. People just didn't want Trump around. Many people are willing to suck it up for 4 years or cross fingers that enough chaos exists in congress that nothing really gets done except for the basics. Focus on local politics for 4 years and influence the mid term elections. . Unfortunately we are seeing an entirely new level of ineptitude in government.
 
Grace T. said:
So much wrong in this:
A. Not a conservative
B. Charity is not policy
C. Churches can be policy. Eg maybe the pope should tell the priests to preach vaccination. Again it’s a collective action
D. But there’s a distinction between that and morality
E. Dad4 seems more concerned with manners and morality than policy, which more often than not involves coercive force
F. You also make the common liberal fallacy: something must be done…this is something…let’s do this. Do nothing is policy too.
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I find irony in E.
 
what-happened said:
Certainly not far from the truth. I think the Trump effect is unique. Incredibly polarizing. I know people who would have voted for the Saguaro cactus in my back yard if it was the dem candidate. Biden certainly didn't energize many people. People just didn't want Trump around. Many people are willing to suck it up for 4 years or cross fingers that enough chaos exists in congress that nothing really gets done except for the basics. Focus on local politics for 4 years and influence the mid term elections. . Unfortunately we are seeing an entirely new level of ineptitude in government.
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I know people, including on this thread, whose wives wouldn't let them vote for Trump. Also, a new unique and troubling effect in Manhood.
 
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