Vaccine

Here's the thing with young kids. The vaccination doesn't provide any material benefit to them unless they have other conditions. So the question becomes should my child get injected for the sole reason of a potential benefit to others? I don't know that most parents will find that a very compelling reason that their young child should have the responsibility to protect adults. I think that would require a major cultural mindset shift, the media is in hyperdrive with promoting this shift, but I just don't think the majority of the general population is buying it.

Like I said before I put the over/under at 40% for 5-11 vaccinations. I'm beginning to think that's too high.

I think nationally it's somewhere 50-60%...again the numbers haven't moved since March 2020. You have a 1/3 which is team reality/virus, 1/3 which is team panic/Science TM, and a 1/3 which is basically compliant until it goes too far. Mandates and partial mandates (such as mandating for elective activities such as sports) can move that center 1/3.
 
Yes, but Lawrence Tabak is not. Read his letter.

WIV was conducting experiments to see if they could engineer a bat coronavirus to attach to a human ACE2 receptor.

Two years later, we have a global pandemic caused by a bat coronavirus that attaches to a human ACE2 receptor.

So, maybe natural processes just happened to duplicate the exact research they were doing at WIV, at exactly the same time, in exactly the same location.

Or maybe some moron failed to properly maintain containment when they moved the lab in Wuhan.
We know what Occam's razor says about this.
 
ECNL Vaccine Showcase Rules. Q me this. How does one know who is and who is not jabbed?

Any unvaccinated player, staff member or attendee who is exposed to an individual diagnosed with COVID-19 (less than 6 feet away for 15 minutes or more within a 24-hour period) will be restricted from play/the facility. Ø Any unvaccinated player, staff member or attendee who is exposed to an individual with suspected COVID-19 will be restricted from play/the facility unless the symptomatic individual can demonstrate a negative test. Ø Fully vaccinated, asymptomatic individuals who are exposed to an individual with suspected or diagnosed COVID-19 do not need to be restricted from play/ the facility. Ø Any symptomatic player will be restricted from play until their symptoms have fully resolved for 24 hours AND they can demonstrate a negative test
 
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Please @espola and @Hüsker Dü or anyone else that believes in mandates, answer me three questions.

1. If you or others are vaxxed and both protected from CoVid and spread CoVid at almost the same rate as the unvaxxed, why do you care if others choose not to be vaccinated?

It does not affect you. That is their choice to put themselves in harms way. It is not you or the government that needs to play mommy or daddy.

2. Understanding the above, why should anyone lose their job when they those who are unvaxxed only present danger to others who have also chosen to be unvaxxed? The vaxx is available to anyone now so there isn't any excuses.

3. Why should children ages 3 to 12 be vaxxed at all? The Flu does in fact kill 3x more children this age than CoVid. The Flu vaccine is not mandated so why should the CoVid vaccine be? One might even be able to argue that the Vaxx could kill/or harm more Children than CoVid itself.

Don't give me answer "stop the spread" as CoVid is here to stay. Positive tests have been 3x what they were a year ago from August to October, post vaccine. Understanding the above, I simply just want to know what your thinking and/or justification is knowing the above. Thanks.
“Mandates”? Who said anything about mandates? Oh yeah, you did. Is “No shoes, no shirt, no service!” a “mandate”? How about, “before enrolling your child in school make sure they have all their proper paperwork together, birth certificate, contact information, medical history including vaccines and booster shots”?
 
a middle of the road article. Don't agree with everything in it but points out we need an offramp. My main criticism is that we had goalposts already....they keep getting moved......I'm not sure "and this time we really really mean it" is going to convince anyone now on either side.

It struck me as significant that Bill Maher, who is probably a bit left of center politically, had such a strong reaction to keeping both the vaccine AND mask requirements. It will be interesting how long restrictions hold.
 
Over 20 Fauci-Funded Researchers Have Served At the Chinese Communist-Run Wuhan Lab.
Nearly 1000 U.S. funded grants from Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins have landed in the laps of collaborators of the Chinese Communist Party's Wuhan Institute of Virology

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The argument works whether the number is 1/3, 1/6, or 1/8.

If the vax reduces my odds of catching covid, then it reduces the odds of my transmitting covid. Arguing about 1/3 versus 1/8 is just quibbling over whether it reduces transmission by 66% or 87%.
They’ll cling to anything and everything they can to stay afloat . . . at least in the eyes of themselves and the others of similar ilk.
 
“Mandates”? Who said anything about mandates? Oh yeah, you did. Is “No shoes, no shirt, no service!” a “mandate”? How about, “before enrolling your child in school make sure they have all their proper paperwork together, birth certificate, contact information, medical history including vaccines and booster shots”?

they don't mandate the flu shot. If we the COVID shot is more like the flu shot (doesn't protect sufficiently against spread to make a significant impact) then there's no point to mandating the COVID shot. If the COVID shot is more like the measles shot (protects significantly against spread if enough in the community have it) then there's that rationale. Unfortunately, the evidence so far overwhelming leans more towards like a flu shot than the measles shots.
 
they don't mandate the flu shot. If we the COVID shot is more like the flu shot (doesn't protect sufficiently against spread to make a significant impact) then there's no point to mandating the COVID shot. If the COVID shot is more like the measles shot (protects significantly against spread if enough in the community have it) then there's that rationale. Unfortunately, the evidence so far overwhelming leans more towards like a flu shot than the measles shots.
Grace T, it's always been just the Rona Flu A & B. The Rona has a pal named Delta. Delta has brother and a sister and their about to come out in the Winter of Darkness Part 2 Thriller. Never been waves of anything except waves of pure bullshit from science magicians. They lie and cheat for a living. Look at how many are calling it quits and resigning. I hear the VA election will be the first one in years to not allow cheating. Let's see if my inside info rings true. Lot's of misinformation in a time like this, in the informational war we ALL find ourselves in. This is serious you guys. Fence sitters need to get of their perches so we can finish all this once and for all.
 
Do you mean besides COVID's seasonality?

I would not be surprised that covid is seasonal, since it is descended from and similar to other viruses with well-known seasonal effects. However, my point is that the data to date does not show it. That might be because the seasonality is impressed on an exponential or sigmoidal growth curve, in which case the assumed seasonality effects will take another year or more to be expressed.
 
“Mandates”? Who said anything about mandates? Oh yeah, you did. Is “No shoes, no shirt, no service!” a “mandate”? How about, “before enrolling your child in school make sure they have all their proper paperwork together, birth certificate, contact information, medical history including vaccines and booster shots”?
Under your rationale forced activity is acceptable without any substantiation. Your comparisons are quite frankly, comical.
 
I would not be surprised that covid is seasonal, since it is descended from and similar to other viruses with well-known seasonal effects. However, my point is that the data to date does not show it. That might be because the seasonality is impressed on an exponential or sigmoidal growth curve, in which case the assumed seasonality effects will take another year or more to be expressed.
And its your opinion that health treatments should be mandated for seasonal afflictions. What's your historical precedent for doing so?
 
It appears we are losing public safety employees who do not believe in public safety and medical care employees who do not believe in medical science.

If
Grace T, it's always been just the Rona Flu A & B. The Rona has a pal named Delta. Delta has brother and a sister and their about to come out in the Winter of Darkness Part 2 Thriller. Never been waves of anything except waves of pure bullshit from science magicians. They lie and cheat for a living. Look at how many are calling it quits and resigning. I hear the VA election will be the first one in years to not allow cheating. Let's see if my inside info rings true. Lot's of misinformation in a time like this, in the informational war we ALL find ourselves in. This is serious you guys. Fence sitters need to get of their perches so we can finish all this once and for all.

I wish I had better news to offer you from my part of the hood…



“Some things never change. Judges that won’t do what’s just and Democrats who steal elections.
We reported previously that Virginia was not requiring the last 4 digits of social security numbers on absentee ballots. This is in direct violation of the law.


This comes from the same county that had over 300,000 ballots dropped for Joe Biden on election night while only 30,000 dropped for Trump – Three times!

So a voter group, not the Republican Party, sued to prevent these ballots from being used in the election – they are not legal. And the judge dismisses the case.

The Fairfax County Office of Elections argued that Virginia law stipulates that such a challenge can only be brought by an “aggrieved voter,” the candidate for office, the candidate’s campaign, or the chairman of the candidate’s political party.

Judge Michael Devine on Friday found that the Virginia Institute for Public Policy, as a nonprofit organization, lacked the standing to sue.”
 
And its your opinion that health treatments should be mandated for seasonal afflictions. What's your historical precedent for doing so?

Putting thoughts in my head now? It is not without precedent to pursue strong public health measures in face of an epidemic of unknown qualities.
 
Johnson & Johnson Vaccine May Increase Risk of Brain Blood Clots, Study Suggests
Researchers from the Mayo Clinic published their findings in the scientific journal JAMA Internal Medicine. They insisted that the higher rate of this rare adverse effect should be considered in the context of the formula's effectiveness in preventing COVID-19.



In this way, they found that a person who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 3.5 times more likely to develop blood clots in the brain than the average person before the pandemic.

Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) is a known side effect of the J&J vaccine, and the discovery of this risk was the reason why use of the vaccine was stopped in April in the United States.
 
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