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No one should be forced to get vaxxed, but, private businesses (and all government controlled areas) also should have the right to dictate who they employ or who they do business with, period.
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a middle of the road article. Don't agree with everything in it but points out we need an offramp. My main criticism is that we had goalposts already....they keep getting moved......I'm not sure "and this time we really really mean it" is going to convince anyone now on either side.
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That doesn't seem unreasonable. I was thinking more of outside the 14 days for a 2 dose vaccine. Isn't the claimed immunity something like 80% after 1st dose and low 90's after 2nd dose?
Bruddah IZ
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Please use the Today in Fascism thread in the future.
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Depends on the study. Kaiser and Pfizer show immunity peaking in the high 80s/low nineties shortly after delivery (a month or so after the 1st dose) with acclerating waning after 4 months with a trajectory to 20% shortly after 4 months. Studies out of Israel and Qatar generally back this up. There are so many studies flying around that it's hard to pin anyone down on what's ground truth. Anything coming out of pharma has to be scrutinized carefully.
Compare that to small decrease (5-10%) per year for other vaccines (MMR for example). A signifant drop is evident in MRNA vaccines especially in Pfizer. The sweet spot is being vaccinated and then contracting the virus.
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We will see how far that gets up.
I'm not going to disagree with that, as long as it is not GVMT mandate. If a private business chooses to loose quality employees over it's vaxx policy, so be it.
It's all still incredibly stupid to me. I ask you again, are you protected against the unvaxxed if you are vaxxed? Ok, so then why the hell do you care if someone is vaxxed or not??? There isn't even a valid argument.
Oh and as for pro-choice. I'm not for or against. It's not my place to judge. But why should baby daddy have to pay child support for a kid he didn't want? And why should baby momma abort the kid that baby did want? Oh the irony.
I'm pro-vax age 25 and up but anti-mandate. I'm anti-vaxx under the age of 25 with the exception of underlying conditions. My kids got vaxxed because we were forced to in youth sports. I am extremely anti-vax under the age of 12. So that makes me an Proantivaxxer or Antiprovaxxer. LOL.
Don't disagree with much of what you wrote, especially the wine part. But, it's a pretty big leap to think an anti-vaxxer is regularly seeing their "provider". Up in these neck of the woods, the anti-vaxxer varietal we see more of is they type that consults with their Shaman.
My kids are both vaxxed because I think it was the right decision, but we held out awhile for my son who was 13. My 17 DD, now 18, still has a side effect from vax. Under 12, with no underlying conditions, I just don't see much point in vaccination, but might consider it depending on the situation. Fortunately, we don't have to make that decision. If I had wife or child that were trying to have a child, I would be strongly against vaccination.
I'm struggling...are these both satire, are they both real, is one real and the other satire? It used to be easy to figure out, but these days you never can be too sure.
. What if down the road they find that the vaccine has a serious side effect...
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“Quality employees”? If they won’t get vaxxed they are a liability.
It appears we are losing public safety employees who do not believe in public safety and medical care employees who do not believe in medical science.
Those EXACT SAME PEOPLE where “heros” 12 months ago, so what changed, the science or the politics?
Talk about paralyzed by fear and inability to assess risk. If I'm in serious car accident or having a heart attack I don't give shit what the vaccination status of my first responder is. Hey thanks for saving my life, but I'm going to sue you because you might have given me Covid. What kind of POS does that? The problem is not any real liability caused by the the unvaccinated emergency workers, the problem is the feeble minded assholes that want to sue.
How ungrateful can you be? These people showed up for work for months and risked their lives with the added risk of Covid and now you want to crap on them. Un-freaking-believable.