Vaccine

dad4 said:
I included masks because otherwise I’d have to say we are waiting for a 95% vax rate. 90% plus masks was bad enough.
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Is it lost on anyone that deep in the depths of Off-Topic 2 we appear to have more civil discussions than on many of the regular threads? I'd love to attribute it to the high quality of people posting but I have this nagging feeling that it may have more to do with the fact that the trolls have a more limited capacity to discuss mask efficacy.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Is it lost on anyone that deep in the depths of Off-Topic 2 we appear to have more civil discussions than on many of the regular threads? I'd love to attribute it to the high quality of people posting but I have this nagging feeling that it may have more to do with the fact that the trolls have a more limited capacity to discuss mask efficacy.
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Well if you weren't making anti-vax posts (without actually saying anything negative about vaccinations) in the regular threads the trolls wouldn't come out. You only have yourself to blame. ;)
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Is it lost on anyone that deep in the depths of Off-Topic 2 we appear to have more civil discussions than on many of the regular threads? I'd love to attribute it to the high quality of people posting but I have this nagging feeling that it may have more to do with the fact that the trolls have a more limited capacity to discuss mask efficacy.
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Or it's because "your opinion on vaccines is stupid" is a milder insult than "your kid isn't good enough to play real soccer."
 
dad4 said:
The vaccine reduces the chance of reinfection, even among those who have been infected once.

There is a perfectly logical argument that post-infection shots are wasteful, especially when compared to providing Africa with first shots.

But you don’t get to make that argument, because of your peculiar belief that natural immunity and vaccines are somehow enemies. (Then you go on to accuse others of weak scientific understanding, completely oblivious to the irony.)
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Please show me where I've ever made the argument that vaccines are the enemy. They are definitely subordinate to the immune system and all the alternative ways to deal with Corona infections. Therapies have been eliminated from the COVID suppression discussion. It's not so much the weak scientific understanding. It's the strong scientific understanding that ignores peoples right to due process and liberty regarding alternative treatments that allow them to keep their jobs, homes, affordable healthcare and timely access. Murray Rothbard describes you people well:

The State is almost universally considered an institution of social service. Some theorists venerate the State as the apotheosis of society; others regard it as an amiable, though often inefficient, organization for achieving social ends; but almost all regard it as a necessary means for achieving the goals of mankind, a means to be ranged against the “private sector” and often winning in this competition of resources. With the rise of democracy, the identification of the State with society has been redoubled, until it is common to hear sentiments expressed which violate virtually every tenet of reason and common sense such as, “we are the government.” The useful collective term “we” has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If “we are the government,” then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and un-tyrannical but also “voluntary” on the part of the individual concerned.If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that “we owe it to ourselves”; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is “doing it to himself” and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have “commit- ted suicide,” since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, there- fore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part. One would not think it necessary to belabor this point, and yet the overwhelming bulk of the people hold this fal- lacy to a greater or lesser degree.

We must, therefore, emphasize that “we” are not the government; the government is not “us.” The government does not in any accurate sense “represent”the majority of the people. But, even if it did, even if 70 percent of the people decided to murder the remaining 30 percent, this would still be murder and would not be voluntary suicide on the part of the slaughtered minority. No organicist metaphor, no irrelevant bromide that “we are all part of one another,” must be permitted to obscure this basic fact.

If, then, the State is not “us,” if it is not “the human family” getting together to decide mutual problems, if it is not a lodge meeting or country club, what is it? Briefly, the State is that organization in society which attempts to maintain a monopoly of the use of force and violence in a given territorial area; in particular, it is the only organization in society that obtains its revenue not by voluntary contribution or payment for services rendered but by coercion. While other individuals or institutions obtain their income by production of goods and services and by the peaceful and voluntary sale of these goods and services to others, the State obtains its revenue by the use of compulsion; that is, by the use and the threat of the jailhouse and the bayonet. Having used force and violence to obtain its revenue, the State generally goes on to regulate and dictate the other actions of its individual subjects. One would think that simple observation of all States through history and over the globe would be proof enough of this assertion; but the miasma of myth has lain so long over State activity that elaboration is necessary.

Irony? Yeah I think you might be right about that. That you put vaccines on a pedestal while you limp along its effectiveness with mask, social distancing, boosters, and ever higher rates of vaccination is truly laughable......and ironic.
 
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and top medical adviser to President Joe Biden, said in early September he doesn’t “think it’s smart” to have tens of thousands of people congregating in stadiums to watch football as the COVID-19 pandemic rages on

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But a review of COVID-19 statistics in the counties and states that hosted some of the biggest games, along with conversations with local health officials, reveals that there’s been little to no linkage between college football and COVID-19 so far this season.


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Data Says College Football Wasn’t A COVID-19 Superspreader Like Lockdown Enthusiasts Predicted

The college football season began in earnest just over two weeks ago, and the doomsday predictions of massive COVID-19-superspreader events haven't materialized
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kickingandscreaming said:
This is some good news from an expert.

www.cnn.com

It's far from over, but Delta coronavirus wave might be the last major wave of infection, former FDA commissioner says | CNN

The current wave of Covid-19 cases driven by the Delta coronavirus variant has the potential to be the country's last major wave of infection -- but it's far from over, and even endemic Covid will pose problems, a former Food and Drug Administration chief said.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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I'd say this is also good news. The 7-day average in the US is about 25% off the peak. The SE is dropping like a rock. It appears Texas has passed the peak. The ones not obviously past peak now are these 28.
AK, CO, CT, DE, DC, ID, IA, ME, MD, MA, MI, MN, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NY, ND, OH, PA, RI, SD, UT, VT, VA, WV, WI, WY
Of those, only the following don't show signs of being near or just past the peak.
WI, VT, PA, NY, MT, MN, MI, ID, AK
This wave appears to be on its way out.

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COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
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Grace T. said:
On Sweden....

ianmsc.substack.com

Why Does No One Ever Talk About Sweden Anymore?

Very weird, isn't it?
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Anders Tegnell: Sweden won the argument on Covid

Of all the celebrities that have been created during the course of the Covid-19 pandemic, Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell is perhaps the most surprising. A softly-spoken official within the Swedish Health Agency, he has quietly been going about his work monitoring infectious diseases...
unherd.com unherd.com

www.reuters.com

UPDATE 1-Swedish economy powering into third quarter

* GDP indicator 0.5% in July m/m (Adds production figures, GDP indicator)
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I do think its difficult to compare the US to other countries, not least as - in this example - Sweden has a national policy/approach whereas the US as 50 policy / approaches, plus a Federal one.

I do think Sweden's approach has been pretty refreshing, i.e. treating people like adults & trusting them to do the right thing. I don't think that works in the US.

They do have strict travel requirements of entry, e.g. you can't travel from the US to Sweden, and also have high national vaccination rates 16+.
 
whatithink said:
I do think its difficult to compare the US to other countries, not least as - in this example - Sweden has a national policy/approach whereas the US as 50 policy / approaches, plus a Federal one.

I do think Sweden's approach has been pretty refreshing, i.e. treating people like adults & trusting them to do the right thing. I don't think that works in the US.
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Australia either, for that matter. I mean, it was a penal colony. Lockdowns are in their blood. ;)
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Australia either, for that matter. I mean, it was a penal colony. Lockdowns are in their blood. ;)
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Nice, its brutal out there. I know some people there in different cities/states and they have nothing good to say about the governments handling, particularly the vaccine rollout. It is more similar to the US from a state perspective and as one of them said to me last week, "you'd never have known who these governors were until now and suddenly they are all over the news & power mad".

BTW, one of my friends runs a construction company (big infrastructure jobs) and he said vaccines are mandatory for all workers because without vaccinated workers they can't get insurance for a site. So he says he just tells people jab=job or no jab=no job.
 
MacDre said:
Do you think they’ll open up in time for the Gothia Cup by next July?
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If you believe the latest, this may be the last wave in the US (link re-posted from a previous page). If so, it's a good sign that US travelers won't be restricted in the future. My guess is if a country's infection rate is low and you are vaccinated, they will allow travel. It may not be in the next few months but countries won't want to restrict travel indefinitely. July is a long way off.

www.cnn.com

It's far from over, but Delta coronavirus wave might be the last major wave of infection, former FDA commissioner says | CNN

The current wave of Covid-19 cases driven by the Delta coronavirus variant has the potential to be the country's last major wave of infection -- but it's far from over, and even endemic Covid will pose problems, a former Food and Drug Administration chief said.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
whatithink said:
Nice, its brutal out there. I know some people there in different cities/states and they have nothing good to say about the governments handling, particularly the vaccine rollout. It is more similar to the US from a state perspective and as one of them said to me last week, "you'd never have known who these governors were until now and suddenly they are all over the news & power mad".

BTW, one of my friends runs a construction company (big infrastructure jobs) and he said vaccines are mandatory for all workers because without vaccinated workers they can't get insurance for a site. So he says he just tells people jab=job or no jab=no job.
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So true. One of my friends got word a few weeks ago he need jabs or else. He has to jab up by tmrw or no job. He get the jab tomorrow he told me at 9am. Work gives him $75 bonus on his next check and the day off for being a good sport. He told me he has to roll up the sleeve for his family and I can;t fault him for that. Here's the deal. Let's stop judging anti-vaxer or pro-vaxer+boosters forever. Instead, let's learn to live among each other again. My wife and I sat down today for a big chat. I feel it in the air and so does she.
 
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