Vaccine

watfly said:
Speaking of vaccines.

www.nytimes.com

Moderna vs. Pfizer: Both Knockouts, but One Seems to Have the Edge (Published 2021)

A series of studies found that the Moderna vaccine seemed to be more protective as the months passed than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Here’s why.
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I feel sorry for you poor losers that got Pfizer.
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Damn! Well, I guess it could have been J&J. It's just more incentive to lose weight and exercise ;). Lord knows I need all the incentive I can get.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Damn! Well, I guess it could have been J&J. It's just more incentive to lose weight and exercise ;). Lord knows I need all the incentive I can get.
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Turns out J&J was unfairly maligned. A 2 shot J&J works just as well as the others.

www.cnn.com

Two dose version of Johnson & Johnson shot 94% effective against Covid-19, study finds | CNN

A two-dose version of Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine provides 94% protection against symptomatic infection, the company said Tuesday -- making a two-dose regimen of J&J's Janssen vaccine comparable to a two-dose regimen of Moderna's or Pfizer's.
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dad4 said:
Turns out J&J was unfairly maligned. A 2 shot J&J works just as well as the others.

www.cnn.com

Two dose version of Johnson & Johnson shot 94% effective against Covid-19, study finds | CNN

A two-dose version of Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine provides 94% protection against symptomatic infection, the company said Tuesday -- making a two-dose regimen of J&J's Janssen vaccine comparable to a two-dose regimen of Moderna's or Pfizer's.
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According to J&J. ;) Y'all just jealous you didn't get Moderna. I have vaccine superiority.
 
To best protect frail patients, smart hospitals and nursing homes would hire staff who have already had Covid, as they have stronger longer lasting immunity than the vaccinated.—Kulldorff
 
dad4 said:
Do you doubt that covid itself was capable of causing supply disruptions?

Seems we had a choice between disruptions caused by shutdowns, or disruptions caused by covid. You can argue which would have been worse, but I don’t see any argument that “no disruptions” was even an option.
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Stick to statistics and teaching, you are WAY out of your lane here. Did Covid also cause the Suez back up? Just let it be please.
 
crush said:
Amen bro. Are you on the boosters for life plan + mask or is this it?
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No one knows.

My guess is the mutation rate falls when global case rates fall. End up with a booster every 10 years or so, like tetanus.

But that’s just a guess.

I think masks go away. I’d be happy with winter masks to get rid of the flu, but I think I’m in the minority on that one.
 
crush said:
Amen bro. Are you on the boosters for life plan + mask or is this it?
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Isn't a flu shot a "booster"? I will likely do the same for COVID if it comes down to it. I wear masks when required but I find them annoying and a pain in the ass to remember. If I am that worried about a place, I just don't go. I feel fortunate to be able to make that decision without any significant repercussions such as loss of job, etc. I don't count on a mask - mine or others' - to protect me but I am comfortable traveling, etc. due to my reasonably good health and the vaccine - even if it was Pfizer.
 
dad4 said:
No one knows.

My guess is the mutation rate falls when global case rates fall. End up with a booster every 10 years or so, like tetanus.
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So your guess is 2023 since most of the third world won't be vaccinated until 2022 (and then there are the concerns about the lower performing Chinese vaccines)? Or do you think it burns through most of the world before then and peters out?

I echo kicking's point....flu is every year and this is beginning to look more like flu than chicken pox or even enterovirus, but you have a point: we won't know until the initial wave of infection has made it's way through the entire planet (which BTW means we have a China problem: billion people, China dedicated to zero COVID still, vaccine which doesn't work though they are trying to find work arounds and not all the Chinese vaccines are as bad).
 
Grace T. said:
So your guess is 2023 since most of the third world won't be vaccinated until 2022 (and then there are the concerns about the lower performing Chinese vaccines)? Or do you think it burns through most of the world before then and peters out?

I echo kicking's point....flu is every year and this is beginning to look more like flu than chicken pox or even enterovirus, but you have a point: we won't know until the initial wave of infection has made it's way through the entire planet (which BTW means we have a China problem: billion people, China dedicated to zero COVID still, vaccine which doesn't work though they are trying to find work arounds and not all the Chinese vaccines are as bad).
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I think Africa gets vaccinated after natural immunity. Burns itself mostly out in poor countries. Then vaccines to finish it.

Delta/mu booster in 2022 for the west.

China? Steals BioNtech IP and pretends it is theirs. Already working on it.
 
dad4 said:
Turns out J&J was unfairly maligned. A 2 shot J&J works just as well as the others.

www.cnn.com

Two dose version of Johnson & Johnson shot 94% effective against Covid-19, study finds | CNN

A two-dose version of Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine provides 94% protection against symptomatic infection, the company said Tuesday -- making a two-dose regimen of J&J's Janssen vaccine comparable to a two-dose regimen of Moderna's or Pfizer's.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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Not nearly as well as the immune system. But a good second team.
 
dad4 said:
No one knows.

My guess is the mutation rate falls when global case rates fall. End up with a booster every 10 years or so, like tetanus.

But that’s just a guess.

I think masks go away. I’d be happy with winter masks to get rid of the flu, but I think I’m in the minority on that one.
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Yes we know.
 
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