Bad News Thread
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Desert Hound
DA
The vaccine was already rolling out. Biden hasn't changed the plan in place.
He gets credit for sticking with the plan, but he hasn't made and big changes.
Desert Hound
DA
I am going to go by the studies presented. If I were a parent I too would have been initially worried. After seeing the actual data come in, I would feel lots better about the covid angle, and would go back to stressing on fighting the cancer.
Exactly. Nice and boring. No big changes.
Unlike his predecessor, Biden doesn't take a sharpie and try to correct his scientists' work. (What on earth made T think he was qualified to forecast the path of a hurricane? Or devise a covid treatment using household chemicals?)
Instead, Biden listens to the experts and makes sure there are people worrying about all the implementation details. Little things like: do we have enough of the right kind of syringe.
It's a nice change.
Hüsker Dü
DA
It’s a life saving change!
Desert Hound
DA
So he hasn't done anything. Your first statement said he promised a vaccine rollout and has followed through.
He simply is coloring between the lines.. ie he didn't change the plan. I mean I am glad he didn't...but I don't give him credit other than not screwing up the plan in place. In other words you and I and the rest of us are happy he didn't screw up the plan in place right?
Desert Hound
DA
A life saving change?
He didn't change anything. Fortunately he followed through on the plan in place.
So credit where credit is due...he didn't change the plan.
There have been a few cases hitting the news both here and abroad of Guillian Barre and paralysis with the Pfizer vaccine. First up was a teen who was an essential worker a few weeks back which was dismissed as noise since GB can occur for other reasons but now it’s hit a few women (one with epilepsy). It’s a condition associated with many other vaccines and may not yet be above the statistical noise but a) there’s enough of them now to trigger an inquiry (there’s roughly as many known as with the blood clots in the us) and b) there’s enough that it may gain traction on sm and media.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Less than two weeks for the Category 5 hurricane of cases like nothing we've ever seen.
Yes, Osterholm’s projection was way off, and epidemiologists are not the type to have a feud on national TV.
I take it you keep posting this because you want to undermine anything else we hear from epidemiologists.
India had a similar reaction. They decided that the eggheads clearly don’t know what they are talking about. Here’s an article from a month ago, explaining that epidemiologists predictions are all wrong, and that Indians have nothing to worry about.
Covid-19 in India: Five predictions that turned out to be false | India News - Times of India
India News: NEW DELHI: It has been a year since India announced one of the most stringent nationwide lockdowns in the world to curb the spread of Covid-19.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Five weeks later, India has the world’s worst case spike and is in desperate need of medical help. Maybe those eggheads knew a little bit after all.
Unfortunately, not screwing up is the new bar for success we've set for our politicians and leadership
The article seems to literally point out the assumptions epidemiologists were wrong about India. What’s more I haven’t seen anyone who nailed the timing and scope of the wave (ethical skeptic with his planting season nailed the time but not scope and he’s not an epidemiologists). They missed entirely when the surge would take place. It’s kind of like your nailing when the 3rd wave would happening but then mixing up Florida and Texas for New York and Michigan.Yes, Osterholm’s projection was way off, and epidemiologists are not the type to have a feud on national TV.
I take it you keep posting this because you want to undermine anything else we hear from epidemiologists.
India had a similar reaction. They decided that the eggheads clearly don’t know what they are talking about. Here’s an article from a month ago, explaining that epidemiologists predictions are all wrong, and that Indians have nothing to worry about.
Covid-19 in India: Five predictions that turned out to be false | India News - Times of India
India News: NEW DELHI: It has been a year since India announced one of the most stringent nationwide lockdowns in the world to curb the spread of Covid-19.
Five weeks later, India has the world’s worst case spike and is in desperate need of medical help. Maybe those eggheads knew a little bit after all.
Desert Hound
DA
You should read the article...as you usually say. It doesn't say what you imply above.Yes, Osterholm’s projection was way off, and epidemiologists are not the type to have a feud on national TV.
I take it you keep posting this because you want to undermine anything else we hear from epidemiologists.
India had a similar reaction. They decided that the eggheads clearly don’t know what they are talking about. Here’s an article from a month ago, explaining that epidemiologists predictions are all wrong, and that Indians have nothing to worry about.
Covid-19 in India: Five predictions that turned out to be false | India News - Times of India
India News: NEW DELHI: It has been a year since India announced one of the most stringent nationwide lockdowns in the world to curb the spread of Covid-19.
Five weeks later, India has the world’s worst case spike and is in desperate need of medical help. Maybe those eggheads knew a little bit after all.
They are mainly talking about predictions made in Spring of 2020.
There were 5 predictions the article talks about.
1) In March of 2020 they (some center) predicted HALF of India would by infected by Feb of 2021. As of the article publish date there were at about 12 million.
So the experts were wrong on that prediction.
2) The Univ of Washington predicted that by Dec of 2020 India would have 490k deaths. As of today India is at 200k.
So the experts were wrong on that predication.
3) The experts said that the virus may not be easily transmitted in hot and humid environments. That prediction was made around the onset of the pandemic. The article points out that has been proven wrong.
So the experts were wrong on that predication.
4) The gov predicted that India would have NO CASES by May 2020.
We know that has been wrong.
So the experts were wrong on that prediction.
5) They said the lockdowns would be effective in stopping the virus.
This didnt happen either.
So the experts were wrong on that prediction.
There is NOTHING in that article that says India has nothing to worry about. As a matter of fact the very last sentence in the article says
"A year on, the Covid-19 threat is far from over."
If anything the article points out again that time and time again the experts have been WRONG.
Desert Hound
DA
Considering who we elect, maybe not screwing up is the best we can hope for
We spend more time voting for people with good looks (Newsome), based on skin color (yeah for diversity!!!), etc, etc. instead of voting for people that present ideas that actually may work.
Apparently now for masks outside it doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, if at least you are walking. Who knew. ^\_(;?)_/^
Umm, a day late and a dollar short. The majority of the public has been doing this for months.
Who said it was possible to accurately forecast the exact timing and scope of the wave?
My point is that it is dangerous to dismiss the best advice we have. Yes, the best advice is seriously flawed. But it is still a really bad idea to throw it out.
Remember that it was hound, not me, beating the drum on TX and FL. Don’t assume I said it just because hound wanted to put words in my mouth.
Desert Hound
DA
I was beating the drum on those. Because you were saying it was a bad idea to open up, ditch mask mandates, etc. I was also beating the drum because they have had kids in school all year long. CA hasn't. Based on the actual data more than a year in, you may as well have had in person classes in CA.
I am going to beat the drums all day long on education, etc.
I find it odd that educators aren’t beating that drum, but just the opposite.
A handy dandy chart ^\_(;?)_/^
Yeah, but there's still that hard core 1/3. Last night at the park while kiddo practicing passed two people in their 50s-60s fully masked on the walking trail. Got the ol "if you aren't wearing a mask don't cross our walking path". But today I guess it's just fine.