Hüsker Dü
DA
I know one thing, when the Hispanic population stops being intimidated to vote that state will turn bright blue.
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Desert Hound
DA
Stop living in the past and believing what you are spoon fed from the Dems.
Nobody is scared or intimidated not to go vote.
Or possibly when Hispanics realize they are only being pandered to by the left and their policies actually hurt Hispanics, the state will turn even redder. (BTW isn't the correct term Latinos?) The state is turning less red, but I suspect that's due to the transplants and Austin. Not knocking Austin, its a fun town.
Maybe that explains why SF has such low case rates....
Interesting theory being floated around that the outbreak in India is tied to planting season and the use of human manure. Some human manure is used in the US too with corn production and the outbreak in the midwest tracked corn planting season. Coupled with the aerosolization of the thing, it means with mask policy we were always too focused on one opening in the human body.
Desert Hound
DA
It's an interesting comment. I don't know how much time you actually spend in Texas and interact with the "Hispanic" popluation. My experience in TX has always been that everyone considers themselves Texans first. Didn't we learn to not stereotype ethnicities? Are you say that Hispanics in Texas are monolithic? Have you had the border security conversation with the Hispanic communities along the border? The bluest parts of TX are as white as the driven snow.
Explain how exactly the Hispanic population in Texas has been intimidated.
“If you are a first time voter — say a young voter or a minority voter, a newly enfranchised Hispanic citizen voting for the first time — and you have some aggressive white guy yelling at you as you walk in, it might have a negative effect. It’s meant to dissuade people from voting,”
Reports of Voter Intimidation at Polling Places in Texas
Election official in Dallas County says it’s the worst she’s seen in decades.
www.propublica.org
A Disturbing Look at Voter Intimidation In Texas
Poll worker Carmen Ayala gives an eyewitness account
zora.medium.com
“Election Integrity” or Voter Intimidation?
Texas Republicans are pushing changes to election laws that would let partisan poll watchers record voters in polling places.
www.texasobserver.org
“If you are a first time voter — say a young voter or a minority voter, a newly enfranchised Hispanic citizen voting for the first time — and you have some aggressive white guy yelling at you as you walk in, it might have a negative effect. It’s meant to dissuade people from voting,”
Reports of Voter Intimidation at Polling Places in Texas
Election official in Dallas County says it’s the worst she’s seen in decades.
A Disturbing Look at Voter Intimidation In Texas
Poll worker Carmen Ayala gives an eyewitness account
“Election Integrity” or Voter Intimidation?
Texas Republicans are pushing changes to election laws that would let partisan poll watchers record voters in polling places.
whatithink
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I don't know the specifics of TX, but in AZ the Hispanic vote has definitely swung the state purple, trending blue. They really started to organize in 2010 as a direct result of the state law 1070 which disproportionally impacted the Hispanic community - some would say it was directed at them. Their first major victory was in 2016, getting Sherriff Joe out, then in 2018 swinging the state wide election for Senate to Sinema, and obviously recently turning the state blue for Biden and also getting Mark Kelly elected.
The redistricting, which is independent in AZ, may turn the state legislatures blue before long.
So TX Hispanics, if organized could majorly impact state wide contests, less so the legislature as obviously that's gerrymandered.
People can see how organizing and getting out the vote, through years of hard unglamorous graft, can have enormous impact, see GA also.
As an aside, there are a lot of Hispanics whose families go back multiple generations in TX & AZ. Basically, they were here first and stayed. It must be very frustrating, irritating and beyond annoying to be profiled as an immigrant (& illegal to boot), by recent blow ins when your family goes back as far as many do.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Exactly! 300 years of Spanish control.
Errrr.....I'm 2nd gen, kids are 3rd gen. No one has or would mistake them for a recent immigrant or an illegal, not even in the most hick town of Texas, California or Utah. If they were looked down upon it would be because they are Latino and the person is just racist, not because they are mistaken for a recent immigrant. If you are Latino yourself, I appreciate your experience might be different, but even among ourselves it's very easy to tell how long a family has been here. If you aren't, please don't Latinosplain and check your own privilege.
Hüsker Dü
DA
How can you tell how long a family has been here?
Desert Hound
DA
Exactly. My wife is from Mexico and my kids are half Mexican. Nobody ever thinks she or the kids are recent immigrants.
To be fair the only ones that tell her she is oppressed are some of her D acquaintances who early on when she came here told how hard it is to succeed, etc. Basically pushing the victim route. She ignored them worked hard got an undergraduate and graduate degree and became successful. Most of those people were white and gave advice based on what they heard or assumed. Not actual knowledge.
Now there is a group of Latinos that make their cash in the grievance industry. Many of them can be found at the universities. She used to get invited for certain events, conferences, etc. She stopped being invited when she didn't follow along with the mindset that success was hindered because of her skin color and country of origin. To be honest she was about done anyway. Got tired of hearing excuses as to why people cannot get ahead. They teach a wrong mindset.
Number of factors, some hard to articulate. Most prominent is your accent in Spanish and how much your accent has degraded. The 1st gen looks down on the 3rd gen for that degrading of their Spanish as much as the 3rd gen looks down on the 1st gen for sticking to the old country ways.
But in any case, Latinosplaining is somewhat offensive. I wouldn't presume to Latinosplain any more than to say I understand the African American experience.
Desert Hound
DA
THIS
This is only anecdotal because I haven't spent a ton of time in Texas, but I was impressed to find Texas to be much more community integrated than SoCal. SoCal is well integrated with Latinos, but IMHO not in terms of Blacks. The Black communities seem to be separate from the White communities for the most part.
I found the areas around Dallas and Austin to be very inclusive of all races. Maybe I was expecting a redneck mentality based on stereotypes, or maybe its just a facade, but I found those areas to be far more inclusive and neighborly than SoCal. I think we talk a good game in California, but the reality is different. Texans seem to walk the talk. Of course, its hard to beat good ole Southern hospitality. Texans of all colors are as gracious and hospitable as they come.
I found the areas around Dallas and Austin to be very inclusive of all races. Maybe I was expecting a redneck mentality based on stereotypes, or maybe its just a facade, but I found those areas to be far more inclusive and neighborly than SoCal. I think we talk a good game in California, but the reality is different. Texans seem to walk the talk. Of course, its hard to beat good ole Southern hospitality. Texans of all colors are as gracious and hospitable as they come.
whatithink
GOLD
Not sure how you got to the Latinosplain bit. There's a direct link between my first para, and AZ SB 1070 > Sherriff Joe > last para. There's no privilege in my ethnicity. There's plenty of first hand experience with the opposite though.
No privilege? You are a racial minority, a woman, LGB, T or Q, not very well off, a recent immigrant, some religious minority (must be one of the oppressed ones), and handicapable? Impressive. I didn't say ethnic privilege...I said privilege.
But in any case, if you aren't Latino, my complaint is you are being presumptuous by speaking about someone else's cultural experience. If you are African American, I wouldn't presume to tell you about yours.
Doesn't really surprise anyone.