Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And aren’t you embellishing with your claim that “stories like this are literally all over women’s soccer.”

I’ve witnessed the women aged 25-30 struggling chasing the first team carrot at my kids club. I leave room for the possibility that I wrong because my viewpoint is based on my limited personal experience.
Not embellishing anything. This is ca
One can still dream that, right 49? It's only my dad dream for my dd life. She actually wants to go to school and do media or communications. Also, thanks Suzy for sharing with us. I swear I'm trying to be a better dad. Some of these dads ((Dre)) need help and do not speak on behalf of the rest of us.
I do apologize for the responses. I wish I could just say who I am. I think then the message gets across with more of an impact. However I have kids and their soccer journey needs to be their own free of additional soccer turmoil brought on by this forum. I would say this as my parting words to soccer dads. Your daughters love you and want to please you, but at some point they learn who you are. They hear you talk. Girls observe body language and voice tone different than boys. Girls will alter their opinion at times to make you proud of them. Try to not devalue them. Soccer is emotionally hard for all players. Many do not yet posses the life skills to process the physical and psychological aspects of being a female athlete in a male dominated sport. Be a supporter of them. All of them. Trust me they have enough to deal with from coaches, teammates, competitors and mostly themselves without soccer dads comparing their existence and experiences to their daughters soccer career. Yes this is preachy and again for that I am sorry. It just gets to be too much in this forum sometimes with the macho bullshit.
 
I agree. But you are still talking about the “Internationals” with a higher ceiling that were I’d early. I’m not saying elite athletes stop growing at 15. However, I am saying the vast majority of folks hit their ceiling when they are 15 or earlier. The folks that you are talking about are the exception to the rule due to the exceptional genetics and hard-work. The few folks that develop in college turn pro.

My dude, you are fun to have here on the forum, but you say crazy shit sometimes :D
 
Giving numbers without context doesn’t help. Please continue to entertain us with your delusions. When was the last time you had your meds adjusted? I think you need to talk with your doctor about prescribing different “happy pills” because your current regimen isn’t working for you.
Yeah I figured this would be your response. Uneducated, personal attacks, merit less and void of anything to offer anybody of substance on here. You offer nothing to this forum. Your a waste of everyone’s time. You would of been laughed of this forum 5-7 years ago. You post nothing but anti soccer girl rhetoric. You think your some kind of in the know soccer dad. You don’t know shit. I’ve been kicking your ass all day on this forum, and your reply was about happy pills! That’s it. So why don’t you go take some pills to grow a bigger dick and balls. Merry Christmas
 
Not embellishing anything. This is ca

I do apologize for the responses. I wish I could just say who I am. I think then the message gets across with more of an impact. However I have kids and their soccer journey needs to be their own free of additional soccer turmoil brought on by this forum. I would say this as my parting words to soccer dads. Your daughters love you and want to please you, but at some point they learn who you are. They hear you talk. Girls observe body language and voice tone different than boys. Girls will alter their opinion at times to make you proud of them. Try to not devalue them. Soccer is emotionally hard for all players. Many do not yet posses the life skills to process the physical and psychological aspects of being a female athlete in a male dominated sport. Be a supporter of them. All of them. Trust me they have enough to deal with from coaches, teammates, competitors and mostly themselves without soccer dads comparing their existence and experiences to their daughters soccer career. Yes this is preachy and again for that I am sorry. It just gets to be too much in this forum sometimes with the macho bullshit.
Men have messed up Suzy and i 100% have learned that from my wife and my dd. Thanks for your strong words.
 
I think you are missing the point. A coach should not be telling a player she'd never play again. A coach should be telling a player how to improve their performance to earn playing time.

I am astounded that so many people think that all of the 20 something women that came forward did so because of nothing. A coach should be creating an environment that attracts players. Neil has failed at that.
Twenty women over how many years? Ten years? When did he start?
 
Yeah I figured this would be your response. Uneducated, personal attacks, merit less and void of anything to offer anybody of substance on here. You offer nothing to this forum. Your a waste of everyone’s time. You would of been laughed of this forum 5-7 years ago. You post nothing but anti soccer girl rhetoric. You think your some kind of in the know soccer dad. You don’t know shit. I’ve been kicking your ass all day on this forum, and your reply was about happy pills! That’s it. So why don’t you go take some pills to grow a bigger dick and balls. Merry Christmas
So many on here told me I was on meds and one crazy ass dad driving my "goat" all over socal chasing medals for myself, like some uncle Rico. I played sports and I was good, but not even close to hw good my dd is. I was happy in Temecula driving 5 minutes to practice and games 10 minutes away. It all changed when the great Tad had to start checking out my dd games and go to all her games and take notes. My wife grew up with a friend that played for the Legend coach who knows more about females then any coach out there, for 7 years. He went to her weeding. It was fun back then. The men messed this all up. If ALL THE MEN would just own up to their pride, greed and trying to play through dd soccer career, then all the better. I can say 100% I never forced my dd or bribed her to play soccer so she can play in college so I can look good as a parent. Hell no. My dd plays for the love of the game. That's why I would go with her if she wanted to ball in AZ at Surf Cup.
 
Yeah I figured this would be your response. Uneducated, personal attacks, merit less and void of anything to offer anybody of substance on here. You offer nothing to this forum. Your a waste of everyone’s time. You would of been laughed of this forum 5-7 years ago. You post nothing but anti soccer girl rhetoric. You think your some kind of in the know soccer dad. You don’t know shit. I’ve been kicking your ass all day on this forum, and your reply was about happy pills! That’s it. So why don’t you go take some pills to grow a bigger dick and balls. Merry Christmas
You’re hella funny Suzy. Suzy you don’t know me or who I know. Why are you all into your feelings and taking things personally? What anti soccer girl rhetoric have I posted? Sharing is caring, so please share the information that you are withholding because I just don’t get it. I’m all ears Suzy!
 
You’re hella funny Suzy. Suzy you don’t know me or who I know. Why are you all into your feelings and taking things personally? What anti soccer girl rhetoric have I posted? Sharing is caring, so please share the information that you are withholding because I just don’t get it. I’m all ears Suzy!
Mac....with all due respect, I think it’s in your messaging. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the point you are trying to make is that by a certain age (15), there are fundamental physical and emotional attributes that the “elite” possess. Things that don’t really develop, like instincts, drive, etc. If that’s you’re point, I agree on the majority, but there will always be outliers those that beat the odds).

But to say they don’t “develop”, after a young age like 15, in a blanket way is a tough perspective to understand.
 
Yeah I figured this would be your response. Uneducated, personal attacks, merit less and void of anything to offer anybody of substance on here. You offer nothing to this forum. Your a waste of everyone’s time. You would of been laughed of this forum 5-7 years ago. You post nothing but anti soccer girl rhetoric. You think your some kind of in the know soccer dad. You don’t know shit. I’ve been kicking your ass all day on this forum, and your reply was about happy pills! That’s it. So why don’t you go take some pills to grow a bigger dick and balls. Merry Christmas

I think you called him stupid right off the bat, so maybe getting upset that he went personal in response isn’t the best argument. I also think you’re overstating your performance here today. If you want to see a master class in over-the-top condescending winning, please refer back to my definitive works on knee injury avoidance, the inevitable demise of GDA, and my explanation why no one would ever learn about Cromwell’s “knowledge” in the Singer scandal. Spoiler alert, it is not due to a conspiracy among the UCLA chancellor, the LA Times, the US Attorney’s office and Grandma Annenberg. (Yes, @Desert Hound, I was wrong that ECNL would not play in AZ in 2020 but you must admit I was pretty darn close and, given where we are in this pandemic, even the city of Phoenix realizes it was a mistake.)

You have presented one way of looking at things, and one which is often accurate. But elite sports is not all rainbows and butterflies either, and the lack of information about the other side of the story makes it inappropriate to pass judgment, especially when even the allegations by the former disgruntled students are as thin as they are, and the way they describe some of the incidents doesn’t seem particularly credible, while others seem very petty in support of an article that claims “abuse”.
 
24 ladies over a 10 year period, is less than 3 per year, which doesn’t seem that bad to me.

Context is important and I think it important to acknowledge that we are talking about Cal and not Stanford. They hold your hand at Stanford but it’s sink or swim at Cal.

Freshman classes at Cal oftentimes are auditoriums and students never meet their rockstar professor. The grading curve at Cal also creates a competitive as opposed to the collaborative learning environment at Stanford.

So if the professors at Cal are not accessible and the grading curve washes folks out academically, why is a culture that is appropriate in an academic context inappropriate in a sports context? Neil is a D1 coach of young ladies not a babysitter.

Can’t blame Neil because these young ladies are struggling with the maturation process of being independent and responsible. Why aren’t they showing up prepared for their commitment? Would you expect a professor to tolerate players missing assignments and showing up to class unprepared?
I wouldn't expect a professor to degrade and belittle any student. In my experience, college professors could care less if you are unprepared or if you even show up for class. If you don't do the work, you fail out, end of story. Have you ever heard of professor tell a student they were a waste of a scholarship?
 
Have you ever heard of professor tell a student they were a waste of a scholarship?
No. But why is it a problem for a P5 D1 coach to tell a player they’re a waste of a scholarship because they suck? Wouldn’t a good teammate just “take one for the team” and quit because they suck?
 
I think you called him stupid right off the bat, so maybe getting upset that he went personal in response isn’t the best argument. I also think you’re overstating your performance here today. If you want to see a master class in over-the-top condescending winning, please refer back to my definitive works on knee injury avoidance, the inevitable demise of GDA, and my explanation why no one would ever learn about Cromwell’s “knowledge” in the Singer scandal. Spoiler alert, it is not due to a conspiracy among the UCLA chancellor, the LA Times, the US Attorney’s office and Grandma Annenberg. (Yes, @Desert Hound, I was wrong that ECNL would not play in AZ in 2020 but you must admit I was pretty darn close and, given where we are in this pandemic, even the city of Phoenix realizes it was a mistake.)

You have presented one way of looking at things, and one which is often accurate. But elite sports is not all rainbows and butterflies either, and the lack of information about the other side of the story makes it inappropriate to pass judgment, especially when even the allegations by the former disgruntled students are as thin as they are, and the way they describe some of the incidents doesn’t seem particularly credible, while others seem very petty in support of an article that claims “abuse”.
Was not taking about previous post at all regarding cal. Was limiting this to his stating “girls don’t develop past age 15 in soccer”. And holy hell I’m
Overstating this issue. Your constant posting never ends. It’s like you have a conversation with yourself most of the time. It’s the forum this is what’s it’s for. Spare me your thoughts or response for one day maybe.
 
No. But why is it a problem for a P5 D1 coach to tell a player they’re a waste of a scholarship because they suck? Wouldn’t a good teammate just “take one for the team” and quit because they suck?
Maybe you lacked an example of good leadership and good teammates in your life to be asking those questions? Good leaders build you up and value the roles of everyone on the team, no matter how small. Good teammates don’t quit on you - they keep giving their all to improve.
I’ll respond to your questions as hypotheticals. The only people really in a place to judge Cal are those that have played there and my DD’s have not. I’ve not heard complaints from the players we know that are there now.
First, it’s a problem because that player was recruited by said coach. Why doesn’t coach yell at himself that he sucks for shitty recruiting or coaching? Leaders take responsibility. In fact one of the complaint letters was written by a player who started all 4 years, so that can’t be the core issue. Second, it’s a problem because fear based leadership results in inferior performance, as evidenced widely in both business and sports. Provide the player some objective criteria and results and be a resource for that player about how to improve. You can be clear and direct without being insulting. Coach and teacher are special professions and if you aren’t in them to care for and make all your kids better people, you don’t deserve the privilege. Third, it’s a problem because it goes against the intent of the 4 year scholarship guarantee that the power 5 schools entered into voluntarily.
 
With little experience I could recruit a great class at Cal. I don’t think that’s a hard accomplishment by any stretch. Putting it all together is what gives coaches tenure.

Jerry at Santa Clara
Cromwell at UCF and UCLA
Tim Ward Pepperdine

Hey what can Cal do to get Ward to come?
 
Was not taking about previous post at all regarding cal. Was limiting this to his stating “girls don’t develop past age 15 in soccer”. And holy hell I’m
Overstating this issue. Your constant posting never ends. It’s like you have a conversation with yourself most of the time. It’s the forum this is what’s it’s for. Spare me your thoughts or response for one day maybe.

You’re really angry about something that innocuous. I’m a little scared of you to be honest. Your f bomb rant over USSF ending DA was epic. If you’d just listened to me, though, you would have known that it was coming and was also for the best.
 
With little experience I could recruit a great class at Cal. I don’t think that’s a hard accomplishment by any stretch. Putting it all together is what gives coaches tenure.

Jerry at Santa Clara
Cromwell at UCF and UCLA
Tim Ward Pepperdine

Hey what can Cal do to get Ward to come?
Beach front property.
 
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