Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive
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So nobody here believes that many college D1 soccer players improve (develop) their soccer IQ? I know they develop their fitness. I know my DD is a better player now than when she was in HS/club. Her first touch is better, her speed of play is better and her soccer IQ has improved. I know many of the players on her team became much better players by the time they were seniors. That is not development?
I believe that my dd will develop to her full potential as a D1 player and will be even better today because of great coaches, great players, great support from Alumni and Admin that cares about their student athletes. I believe 100% Outside. Please stop ignoring me bro.
I think I am one of many who supports that position.
MacDre
PREMIER
I would say it’s wishful thinking or Ebonically speaking “you’re putting the paint where it ain’t.”
I would say soccer development is analogous to foreign language development and that occurs when young in order to have native fluency.
One can study a foreign language in high school and college but will never attain native fluency; maybe they’ll see improvement but will never develop native fluency in both foreign language and soccer at such late age.
dk_b
GOLD
I do, too. My point upthread was not that I don't think college players develop. I think every elite athlete continues to develop and being around others on the same path is great for growth. These athletes would develop in a different environment, too, but that does not that I think college stunts their growth - I don't think that. And some coaches are going to be better at developing than others - that's always been the case in every sport, in every era. Otherwise, one would have to think that the only difference between an elite U16 squad (say an all-star squad) and a college squad is the physical growth and I don't believe that.
I was once watching a college game with someone who knows a lot more about soccer - tactics, etc. - than I do. He asked me if I thought a particular elite elite youth squad could beat a D1 college team that was particularly down. I said, "no chance". I explained that while some or even most of the girls could be on the field and do OK, that we were looking at one squad entirely made up of college players and trying to compare a squad of kids - physically, mentally, experientially, there is just no comparison. And all you need to do is take an elite youth squad that has, say, 13 or 15 D1 commits and look at how many get meaningful playing time as frosh. W/very rare exception, it will be a small number. As a group, those girls at 15 or 16 would get smashed by a college squad in every metric.
suzysoccer1
SILVER
This is dumbest shit I’ve read on this forum all year. Including the covid talk. You have zero clue about anything related to women’s sports, women’s physiology, or soccer. I’d love to go on and provide the decades worth of actual data, studies, player profiles, statistical analysis of not only American female players but also international players that clearly shows not only physical development in ages 15-18,18-22, 22-24 and beyond but more importantly technically, tactical and mental advances. FFS what is up with this forum sometimes.
Scott m Shurson
SILVER ELITE
Hope Solo respectfully disagrees with you, MD, and she's the best female in history to ever play the position.
warrior49
SILVER
I agree with you. It's a fact that athletes continue to develop, regardless of the sport, as they grow and mature as players. How many 18-year-old soccer players are playing pro? Like right from high school? My DD's D1 coach once told her, "Women's soccer players, in general, haven't fully developed until 22-23 years old." Of course there are rare exceptions. But with that thinking, the NWSL should be loaded with fresh out of high school players who bypassed college.
dk_b
GOLD
During recruiting, one of the coaches told my daughter - a GK - that a GK's peak is in her late 20s when her physical abilities can match how she reads/understands the game. The latter piece will continue beyond that so that greater knowledge can contribute to improved play even if the physical skills plateau or even regress. That applies to some degree to field players, too (I can think of some players who use that craftiness into their 30s so that they remain effective)
suzysoccer1
SILVER
Correct! Look at Bethany Balcer. Just called into senior US women’s national team camp, and fresh off being asked to train with OL in France. Played NAIA college soccer, undrafted by NWSL. Went to a cattle call tryout made the Reign team, ROY. Now is absolutely killing it as a pro. These players and stories like this are literally all over women’s soccer.
MacDre
PREMIER
I agree. But you are still talking about the “Internationals” with a higher ceiling that were I’d early. I’m not saying elite athletes stop growing at 15. However, I am saying the vast majority of folks hit their ceiling when they are 15 or earlier. The folks that you are talking about are the exception to the rule due to the exceptional genetics and hard-work. The few folks that develop in college turn pro.
suzysoccer1
SILVER
No you said “girls” stop developing in soccer at 15. Which is not only wrong it’s sexist as all hell. I then stated many points and only once mentioned international players as research can include them as well. You cherry picked that one word. So let me be clear. ALL girls who play soccer show development past age 15. Also Genetics means shit. No one is running a DNA panel on Suzy soccer player to determine her chromosome make up. what your doing is what dumb soccer dads do, saying their daughters have good “genes” because her dad played some ball 30 years ago. You are not a scientist. Get over your ego and stop wasting people’s time with your pseudo soccer dad bullshit. You use all the buzz words of a soccer hack. Genetics, hard work, goat, elite, etc. just put down your keyboard find a quiet place and think hard. Then go do some actual research. I can send you some links if you need help and when your head starts hurting and it will, keep going that means your getting smarter.
MacDre
PREMIER
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And aren’t you embellishing with your claim that “stories like this are literally all over women’s soccer.”
I’ve witnessed the women aged 25-30 struggling chasing the first team carrot at my kids club. I leave room for the possibility that I wrong because my viewpoint is based on my limited personal experience.
suzysoccer1
SILVER
Ok I will play your game. How many players do you want ? What number satisfies you?
MacDre
PREMIER
I also maintain what I said. My point is that by 15 it’s obvious who has what it takes. Back in my days, it was the rare freshman that could play varsity (male or female) that had what it takes. So to be clear, my position is that if you ain’t got it by 15, you ain’t gonna get it. Period.
MacDre
PREMIER
You can’t substantiate your ridiculous claim. Your analysis is funny as hell but mostly puffery and baseless claims.
suzysoccer1
SILVER
No I actually can. Man up dude. How many? Also you actually saying the phrase “back in my day” and your not trying to be funny is sad.
One can still dream that, right 49? It's only my dad dream for my dd life. She actually wants to go to school and do media or communications. Also, thanks Suzy for sharing with us. I swear I'm trying to be a better dad. Some of these dads ((Dre)) need help and do not speak on behalf of the rest of us.
MacDre
PREMIER
Giving numbers without context doesn’t help. Please continue to entertain us with your delusions. When was the last time you had your meds adjusted? I think you need to talk with your doctor about prescribing different “happy pills” because your current regimen isn’t working for you.