Surf Cup's Fate

soccer4us said:
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As promised, the update......

Despite the City Council vote to close the REACH 11 Complex, we believe we have a solution and therefore Surf Cup AZ (youngers and olders) is ON! We still have the Scottsdale Sports Complex for our event and there is no indication that the venue will close.

We have had overwhelming support from our friends in AZ in providing us options to hold the event in and around the Phoenix area (in areas NOT closed) and therefore, we are sending staff to Phoenix this weekend to check out our options so we can formulate our plan.

That plan will be communicated to all of you early next week. We have a lot to adjust in a very short amount of time but we want to do everything we can to make sure we can get your players back out on the fields playing the game they love.

We continue to be sensitive to what's going on in CA and part of the plan will be options for teams that feel it's in their best interest to not travel to AZ for the events so please wait until we communicate our plan, and your options, early next week before making a decision.

We will also work with each of the cities on their COVID protocols, which may be different by venue and, once confirmed by city/venue, that information will be communicated as well.

As the ECNL event is ongoing in SC right now and TX teams continue on with their league seasons (as do many other states) we want the same for the players coming to our events too so we are choosing to move forward and offer the events!

Look for a detailed communication early next week!

Thank you for your continued support!
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This will probably make a few sheeps heads on here explode now.
 
socalkdg said:
Enough of this insurance.

1 - Cal South Insurance or a tournaments insurance don't cover Covid.
2 - If you have you own insurance it is better than Cal South Insurance or the tournaments insurance in case of injury.
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honestly this Cal South insurance or tournament insurance is challenging for me to understand. What is it for? We have always carried our own health insurance and have no reason to sue anyone unless there is severe negligence. I know there is a pandemic and I know I can educate my kid on how to stay safe. If I choose for them to play its on me. I am not going to sue anyone for COVID. what am I missing?
 
outside! said:
Are you referring to the case against McDonalds for serving superheated coffee? If so, you don't know the details of the case. McDonalds was serving coffee in sealed cups that were pressure tight. They would reheat those cups in a microwave, causing the coffee to become superheated (hotter than the boiling temperature of water at atmospheric pressure). This caused the pressure in the sealed cup to increase, preventing the coffee from boiling. When the plaintiff broke the pressure seal by pushing the straw or stirrer (can't remember exactly) through the lid, the pressure in the cup dropped to atmospheric pressure causing the coffee to boil over and spew out of the cup under pressure. Everyone expects coffee to be hot, but they do not expect the coffee to spray out of the cup under pressure as the coffee boils over. The plaintiff received 3rd degree burns to their crotch and McDonalds justifiably lost that case. There are bad lawsuit cases out there, but this is not one of them.
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Are you sure that you are remembering the case correctly?
 
Speed said:
honestly this Cal South insurance or tournament insurance is challenging for me to understand. What is it for? We have always carried our own health insurance and have no reason to sue anyone unless there is severe negligence. I know there is a pandemic and I know I can educate my kid on how to stay safe. If I choose for them to play its on me. I am not going to sue anyone for COVID. what am I missing?
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The medical insurance is almost useless as other posters have pointed out, but the liability insurance is priceless. The Cal South tournament sanctioning process in which tournament organizers prove (or at least promise) to play by the rules Cal South sets up makes that insurance affordable to Cal South. No rational insurer will get involved with an organization that can't follow its own rules or influence their affiliated organizations (clubs, teams, tournaments, etc) to do the smae.
 
watfly said:
Are you sure about that? I've never heard any reference to the pressure shooting the coffee out the cup. My understanding was that she removed lid to add cream or sugar and spilled. Not saying it isn't true, I just have never heard that theory of the case.
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The story based on court testimony is that McDonald's served the coffee at a temperature hot enough to cause scalding burns (180° - 190° F) because customers had complained about coffee getting cold before they could drink it.
 
espola said:
The story based on court testimony is that McDonald's served the coffee at a temperature hot enough to cause scalding burns (180° - 190° F) because customers had complained about coffee getting cold before they could drink it.
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Yes thats my understanding of what happened. Never heard the pressure theory alleged.
 
Lavey29 said:
This will probably make a few sheeps heads on here explode now.
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sheep is in the eye of the beholder as their are Surf sheep present in the wild as well. I do admire their tenacity and respect that they are likely fighting for their financial survival.

We will see what happens. Maybe this turns into an AZ only Surf Cup, the beginning of a tradition. Time will tell if CA clubs have the ganas to travel to AZ under strict restrictions only to come back again in a month, but play on better fields.
 
happy9 said:
sheep is in the eye of the beholder as their are Surf sheep present in the wild as well. I do admire their tenacity and respect that they are likely fighting for their financial survival.

We will see what happens. Maybe this turns into an AZ only Surf Cup, the beginning of a tradition. Time will tell if CA clubs have the ganas to travel to AZ under strict restrictions only to come back again in a month, but play on better fields.
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The beholder and myself see the sheep clearly on here. Looking forward to a great tournament. Arizona has some terrific cities, hotels and restaurants which I'm sure could use a little economic boost during the china virus lock downs. They also have some great soccer venues. Looking forward to some great competitive matches.
 
happy9 said:
sheep is in the eye of the beholder as their are Surf sheep present in the wild as well. I do admire their tenacity and respect that they are likely fighting for their financial survival.

We will see what happens. Maybe this turns into an AZ only Surf Cup, the beginning of a tradition. Time will tell if CA clubs have the ganas to travel to AZ under strict restrictions only to come back again in a month, but play on better fields.
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It will be a great success if they pull it off. Nobody can trust what Gavin will do with youth sports now or in the future. No leadership results in people doing what’s best for their family or company. In fact, Gavin does absolutely nothing for kids ; he only rules against them in everything.
 
chiefs said:
It will be a great success if they pull it off. Nobody can trust what Gavin will do with youth sports now or in the future. No leadership results in people doing what’s best for their family or company. In fact, Gavin does absolutely nothing for kids ; he only rules against them in everything.
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Oh you never know. He ignores the dining out rules he very well may have a kid in the tournament. We will keep an eye our for him... rules for thee.. not for me seems how Cali Politicos roll.
 
outside! said:
Are you referring to the case against McDonalds for serving superheated coffee? If so, you don't know the details of the case. McDonalds was serving coffee in sealed cups that were pressure tight. They would reheat those cups in a microwave, causing the coffee to become superheated (hotter than the boiling temperature of water at atmospheric pressure). This caused the pressure in the sealed cup to increase, preventing the coffee from boiling. When the plaintiff broke the pressure seal by pushing the straw or stirrer (can't remember exactly) through the lid, the pressure in the cup dropped to atmospheric pressure causing the coffee to boil over and spew out of the cup under pressure. Everyone expects coffee to be hot, but they do not expect the coffee to spray out of the cup under pressure as the coffee boils over. The plaintiff received 3rd degree burns to their crotch and McDonalds justifiably lost that case. There are bad lawsuit cases out there, but this is not one of them.
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This was one of my case studies in law school.
 
Speed said:
honestly this Cal South insurance or tournament insurance is challenging for me to understand. What is it for? We have always carried our own health insurance and have no reason to sue anyone unless there is severe negligence. I know there is a pandemic and I know I can educate my kid on how to stay safe. If I choose for them to play its on me. I am not going to sue anyone for COVID. what am I missing?
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Do you remember the reports of the guy supposedly possessing a gun at Galway Downs? Do you think the tournament offered effective enough security to prevent that? Do you think that there are families who believed that the tournament didn't offer effective enough security? There's your answer. I'm not talking covid, I'm talking about run of the mill day to day tournament liability. This kind of random shit happens way way way more often than you think. Basically every time you hear an ambulance pull up, guess what's going to happen.
 
soccer4us said:
We still have the Scottsdale Sports Complex for our event and there is no indication that the venue will close.
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Looking at the map, there are six 11v11 fields and four 9v9 fields (presumably you cut one of those in half for two 7v7 fields).

That nets you what, a maximum of 140 teams or so. I'm going to guess there are going to be a few teams getting refunds next week, good luck with those credit card fees.
 
notintheface said:
Do you remember the reports of the guy supposedly possessing a gun at Galway Downs? Do you think the tournament offered effective enough security to prevent that? Do you think that there are families who believed that the tournament didn't offer effective enough security? There's your answer. I'm not talking covid, I'm talking about run of the mill day to day tournament liability. This kind of random shit happens way way way more often than you think. Basically every time you hear an ambulance pull up, guess what's going to happen.
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Thats hilarious that you would bring up the guy that brought a gun to a tournament. What cal south tournament for youth soccer have you been to that would have provided enough security to prevent that? I have yet to attend a tournament with metal detectors at a controlled entrance with armed guards lol.
 
chiefs said:
It will be a great success if they pull it off. Nobody can trust what Gavin will do with youth sports now or in the future. No leadership results in people doing what’s best for their family or company. In fact, Gavin does absolutely nothing for kids ; he only rules against them in everything.
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What about the kids? Selfish people take care of their "own" needs first.
 
notintheface said:
Looking at the map, there are six 11v11 fields and four 9v9 fields (presumably you cut one of those in half for two 7v7 fields).

That nets you what, a maximum of 140 teams or so. I'm going to guess there are going to be a few teams getting refunds next week, good luck with those credit card fees.
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SSC has 10 (4 with lights) 11 v 11 fields. Those fields normally shut down at the end of the year until after the Phoenix (Golf) open. They are used as a parking lot and for various corporate activities.

I expect Surf are touring Mesa today looking at Red Mountain (6), Quail Run (4), Desert Sky (4) and Santos (4-5).

Another metro city (Tempe) closed their fields.

Of more importance to the metro cities is getting everything under control before baseball pre season which is huge and has a far larger financial impact to the cities. If I were in charge of those cities, and looking at this from a financial perspective, I'd be telling Surf to gtfoh.
 
whatithink said:
SSC has 10 (4 with lights) 11 v 11 fields. Those fields normally shut down at the end of the year until after the Phoenix (Golf) open. They are used as a parking lot and for various corporate activities.

I expect Surf are touring Mesa today looking at Red Mountain (6), Quail Run (4), Desert Sky (4) and Santos (4-5).

Another metro city (Tempe) closed their fields.

Of more importance to the metro cities is getting everything under control before baseball pre season which is huge and has a far larger financial impact to the cities. If I were in charge of those cities, and looking at this from a financial perspective, I'd be telling Surf to gtfoh.
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To add, Stadium and Team Directory | Phoenix.org, 15 teams for a month of daily games vs Surf ...
 
notintheface said:
Looking at the map, there are six 11v11 fields and four 9v9 fields (presumably you cut one of those in half for two 7v7 fields).

That nets you what, a maximum of 140 teams or so. I'm going to guess there are going to be a few teams getting refunds next week, good luck with those credit card fees.
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For the olders, there are 10 fields, only 4 under lights.
 
Lavey29 said:
The beholder and myself see the sheep clearly on here. Looking forward to a great tournament. Arizona has some terrific cities, hotels and restaurants which I'm sure could use a little economic boost during the china virus lock downs. They also have some great soccer venues. Looking forward to some great competitive matches.
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Good use of words and I appreciate your resistance to being a sheep. And yes, plenty of OK soccer venues throughout the valley. The reality is, none compare to Reach, except maybe Scottsdale Sports complex (within the phoenix metro area), which has less fields by far. There are others that have good field surfaces, there are many that aren't currently being maintained and have dead grass.

They will be challenged to get this in (I'm a realist). Quality of fields is a big deal (maybe). If they pull it off, I have a player who will play, the other will sit this one out. If they don't pull it off, that's fine also. I'll enjoy a new year's eve weekend not having to worry about a soccer tournament. Heaven knows I've been to many and have many more coming my way.

good luck.
 
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