Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

The Outlaw said:
The orange curtain? While you're busy shaking, Chicken Little, why don't you ask yourself why Obama bought a $12M mansion on an island, where the highest point of the city is 310' above sea level, if global warming isn't being built up for an agenda? Nobody is asking for a media blackout on the virus or anything else. We just long for the days when news was reported instead of opinions.
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Murdoch's son left the organization because he was unhappy about editorial content, such as the stuff the Fox puts out there as editorial content and calling it news. Is that what you're talking about?
 
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happy9 said:
I give up. I can't make sense of our discussion any more. It must be me, not you. I don't feel like I have time to rehash all of the proven/unproven/proven/unproven public health guidance that has come out since around FEB or so. Again with the blame? Who am I supposed to blame and how have I contributed to the problem? It's not like we are running around as CV19 insurgents, ambushing people by jumping out from behind a palm tree, breathing on people. That wouldn't go over very well. Are we practicing and playing soccer? Absolutely. Are we following the rules as it pertains to soccer, yep. Is there risk in playing soccer - of course there is - what is the risk? We don't know. I've stated it on a couple of occasions now, there is enough precedence established by other states that I am comfortable allowing my kids to play (this is a soccer forum, thus the soccer reference). If you don't feel comfortable with that risk, don't send your child to practice. If you are uncomfortable coming to AZ, don't come.

And you are right, I mostly now work from home, but still have to visit clients at least 3 times a week. As far as I can tell, and just from my observation, most people are in compliance with measures that have been directed. Business for sure are in compliance, they have to be. They are happy to be up and running, providing jobs for their employees and contributing to the economy that provides them their livelihoods. Masks are everywhere (it's hot here and no mask rebellion has occurred). I was in CA a few weeks ago - most people were wearing masks. I'm not willing to fall on my sword over the mask discussion, there are bigger issues beyond the masks.
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See what we have to deal with in CA. SMH. NO SOCCER UNTIL NEXT FALL. Done!
 
JumboJack said:
I dunno.... New Jersey was a giant petri dish of Covid a few months ago and now they are having soccer tournaments.
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BIG ones..With D3 ,NAIA, and JC coaches onsite and the capability to stream to D1/D2. Amazing what $$ do to drive ingenuity and will to solve problems.
 
Everything just got scrambled again today. The CDC is recommending asymptomatics don't get tested except under certain conditions. One way this could be viewed is the CDC no longer regards asymptomatics as a primary problem (which is consistent with the recent data that they don't seem to spread it as much)....in which case screen for illness at school and sports but let them play/learn. Another thing is that maybe the CDC is just throwing it's hands up given the testing lags and saying the virus is now too ubiquitous (in which case test and trace is totally dead). It's also going to be interesting to see how this plays out in professional sports (with their proactive testing) and schools (for example VC is requiring constant testing of staff and students that return under the waiver program). A more nefarious explanation is that it will just raise the positivity rate (which means that's no longer a useful matrix) to encourage the panic to last longer.

But, with one move the CDC has upended the table and how this plays out for pro sports, youth sports and schools is yet to be determined.
 
Grace T. said:
Everything just got scrambled again today. The CDC is recommending asymptomatics don't get tested except under certain conditions. One way this could be viewed is the CDC no longer regards asymptomatics as a primary problem (which is consistent with the recent data that they don't seem to spread it as much)....in which case screen for illness at school and sports but let them play/learn. Another thing is that maybe the CDC is just throwing it's hands up given the testing lags and saying the virus is now too ubiquitous (in which case test and trace is totally dead). It's also going to be interesting to see how this plays out in professional sports (with their proactive testing) and schools (for example VC is requiring constant testing of staff and students that return under the waiver program). A more nefarious explanation is that it will just raise the positivity rate (which means that's no longer a useful matrix) to encourage the panic to last longer.

But, with one move the CDC has upended the table and how this plays out for pro sports, youth sports and schools is yet to be determined.
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Maybe I'm missing something....if I'm asymptomatic, isn't this means I don't know if I'm sick and I don't have any symptoms? Then why would I get tested?
 
JumboJack said:
Because you were exposed to someone that was positive. It's happened to a few people at my work.
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Or if they require it before you play contact sports, go back to school, go back to work....or regularly come into contac with people like grocery workers or sailors about to get on a boat.
 
Desert Hound said:
This.

CDC assumes 10x symptomatic cases are asymptomatic. AZ has had roughly 200k cases. So with asymptomatics that puts it in the 2 million range. We might be at that low threshold of herd immunity...ie enough people have had it, where now the disease doesnt spread as far.
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Herd immunity depends on the number of contacts each person has. It is not a fixed percentage.

If you want to wear masks and have soccer games, you're probably fine.

If you want to open all the bars and hold a bunga bunga party at the convention center, expect an outbreak.
 
dad4 said:
Herd immunity depends on the number of contacts each person has. It is not a fixed percentage.

If you want to wear masks and have soccer games, you're probably fine.

If you want to open all the bars and hold a bunga bunga party at the convention center, expect an outbreak.
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The entire concept of herd immunity is now in doubt with the new study on the Hong Kong reinfection (see bad news thread). If it holds, those thinking that we'll somehow get to herd immunity and this disappears are woefully mistake. Also the people who think a vaccine will return us to normal because a vaccine would work like the flu vaccine (it means COVID is around for many years as a threat at least until vaccines can be boosted, treatments improved, and the virus mutates to something more benign). If the Hong Kong study bears out, it means learning to live with the thing is our only option.
 
happy9 said:
I've stated it on a couple of occasions now, there is enough precedence established by other states that I am comfortable allowing my kids to play
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Yes, this is where I am now. Take the appropriate precautions and let them play - locally at least. I'm still not completely comfortable traveling as a team for tournaments. It's not the "soccer" contacts I am worried about. It's all the other mixing experienced during travel that would concern me.
 
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