Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

thelonggame said:
Wait a few weeks. When a state does not believe the virus is real, it will get worse.
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I’m kind of hoping we learn from our mistakes.

Louisiana did a second wave, but most places with a big first wave have been smart about masks and distance ever since.
 
Ellejustus said:
That Dad 4 likes......lol!!! Nothing like trying to explain your way out of being, maybe wrong? It's cool. The 14 day self-quarantine has been called off by the CDC. News is getting better and better but we need to be careful for the next wave?
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Dad4 was totally wrong about the speed of the decline in the reopening states, not just AZ. I thought it would be bad for much longer.
 
thelonggame said:
So in a few more weeks it will be trending in the wrong direction again. AZ does not believe the virus is real, despite the fact the amount of deaths and sicknesses. Certainly teams from CA will go to AZ to get the virus and bring it back to their communities. AZ is backwards in every way, has the worst record environmental record in the US, an air conditioned nightmare.
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And what reason do you point to that will see us going in the wrong direction again? Youth soccer?

What makes you think Arizonans don't believe in the virus? We had a spike, we've taken measures to mitigate, and now we are implementing prudent measures to preserve our economy and keep people safe. As much as you don't want to believe it, they are tied together. As is the overall mental health of our kids. CA will do their thing, AZ will do their thing.

And as far as the air conditioned nightmare - What is that all about?
 
happy9 said:
And what reason do you point to that will see us going in the wrong direction again? Youth soccer?

What makes you think Arizonans don't believe in the virus? We had a spike, we've taken measures to mitigate, and now we are implementing prudent measures to preserve our economy and keep people safe. As much as you don't want to believe it, they are tied together. As is the overall mental health of our kids. CA will do their thing, AZ will do their thing.

And as far as the air conditioned nightmare - What is that all about?
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Why so triggered, did I hit a nerve? States, not just Arizona, are going on the merry go round by not taking it seriously. Do you really think the measures that the state is taking are enough if you have kids out there playing full contact when we know the kids transmit the virus but kids themselves may suffer less, though there have been plenty of cases in kids. The "you do you" mentality is the entire problem in a nutshell. You don't care, your kid is out there playing, you don't have any risk factors, you don't have to worry. But if somehow your kid infects someone else, then it's their problem and not yours, because you already told me that my immune supprssed relative in AZ shoudn't go outside so your kid can go play soccer. I point to the air conditioned nightmare because the idea in AZ is I am free to run my AC 24/7 for six months because it's my divine right as an American to do so and damage the environment as I see fit, just like it's my divine right as an American to let my kid go play soccer because he or she is not personlly affected by it, but screw everyone else if they transmit the virus to someone else. LIve free or die, right? As long as someone else dies and not anyone you know.
 
dad4 said:
and the fact that the most connected people probably already got it in July.
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This.

CDC assumes 10x symptomatic cases are asymptomatic. AZ has had roughly 200k cases. So with asymptomatics that puts it in the 2 million range. We might be at that low threshold of herd immunity...ie enough people have had it, where now the disease doesnt spread as far.
 
thelonggame said:
Why so triggered, did I hit a nerve? States, not just Arizona, are going on the merry go round by not taking it seriously. Do you really think the measures that the state is taking are enough if you have kids out there playing full contact when we know the kids transmit the virus but kids themselves may suffer less, though there have been plenty of cases in kids. The "you do you" mentality is the entire problem in a nutshell. You don't care, your kid is out there playing, you don't have any risk factors, you don't have to worry. But if somehow your kid infects someone else, then it's their problem and not yours, because you already told me that my immune supprssed relative in AZ shoudn't go outside so your kid can go play soccer. I point to the air conditioned nightmare because the idea in AZ is I am free to run my AC 24/7 for six months because it's my divine right as an American to do so and damage the environment as I see fit, just like it's my divine right as an American to let my kid go play soccer because he or she is not personlly affected by it, but screw everyone else if they transmit the virus to someone else. LIve free or die, right? As long as someone else dies and not anyone you know.
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No one is triggered, I responded and then asked a follow on question - it's called discussion, debate, conversation, etc.

Sounds like you are triggered? When did I tell you that your relatives shouldn't go outside? I'm pretty sure I said it's their choice to not go outside. That's what's cool about our constitution. I have an immune suppressed family member as well (extended family, not in our household). He takes careful and prudent measures to ensure he is not at risk. It doesn't mean they barricade the doors and block out all sunlight, even though blocking out all sunlight may help with the air conditioning thing.

Do you recommend we close Arizona for the summer? I mean, it's hot here, really hot. I'm hoping once I kick the last kid out of the house, that I will be able to lock the doors for the summer and head north. Until then, my AC will be on during the summer. At least I don't have to heat the pool, that helps cut cost.

While we are at it, I guess we could also close portions of the IE and the desert cities in CA. I would go out on a limb and say the IE is over half of the population of Arizona and about equal to the population of the greater phoenix metro area.

Do a bit of research and you will see that youth sports, especially soccer have yet to create a second wave anywhere. Hard hit states like NJ have been having large tournaments all summer long.

But triggered, no. Involved in and enjoying entertaining soccer forums while working from home - YES. Plenty of good info on here, as well as insight. If this forum triggers you - you have a choice...
 
happy9 said:
No one is triggered, I responded and then asked a follow on question - it's called discussion, debate, conversation, etc.

Sounds like you are triggered? When did I tell you that your relatives shouldn't go outside? I'm pretty sure I said it's their choice to not go outside. That's what's cool about our constitution. I have an immune suppressed family member as well (extended family, not in our household). He takes careful and prudent measures to ensure he is not at risk. It doesn't mean they barricade the doors and block out all sunlight, even though blocking out all sunlight may help with the air conditioning thing.

Do you recommend we close Arizona for the summer? I mean, it's hot here, really hot. I'm hoping once I kick the last kid out of the house, that I will be able to lock the doors for the summer and head north. Until then, my AC will be on during the summer. At least I don't have to heat the pool, that helps cut cost.

While we are at it, I guess we could also close portions of the IE and the desert cities in CA. I would go out on a limb and say the IE is over half of the population of Arizona and about equal to the population of the greater phoenix metro area.

Do a bit of research and you will see that youth sports, especially soccer have yet to create a second wave anywhere. Hard hit states like NJ have been having large tournaments all summer long.

But triggered, no. Involved in and enjoying entertaining soccer forums while working from home - YES. Plenty of good info on here, as well as insight. If this forum triggers you - you have a choice...
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Happy is on fire, hot hot hot!!!! My dd texted me just now, "daddy, can you go to Starbucks and get me a latte? Please" This is not a good start to the first day of school. My son has his first college class at 2pm today.
 
happy9 said:
No one is triggered, I responded and then asked a follow on question - it's called discussion, debate, conversation, etc.

Sounds like you are triggered? When did I tell you that your relatives shouldn't go outside? I'm pretty sure I said it's their choice to not go outside. That's what's cool about our constitution. I have an immune suppressed family member as well (extended family, not in our household). He takes careful and prudent measures to ensure he is not at risk. It doesn't mean they barricade the doors and block out all sunlight, even though blocking out all sunlight may help with the air conditioning thing.

But triggered, no. Involved in and enjoying entertaining soccer forums while working from home - YES. Plenty of good info on here, as well as insight. If this forum triggers you - you have a choice...
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excellent post. unfortunately we are losing out to the fear porn from the media.
 
dad4 said:
Dad4 was totally wrong about the speed of the decline in the reopening states, not just AZ. I thought it would be bad for much longer.
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That's understandable based on what the experts thought about what was needed for "herd immunity" to kick in. There's a lot being learned about this virus and how viruses spread in general.
 
happy9 said:
No one is triggered, I responded and then asked a follow on question - it's called discussion, debate, conversation, etc.

Sounds like you are triggered? When did I tell you that your relatives shouldn't go outside? I'm pretty sure I said it's their choice to not go outside. That's what's cool about our constitution. I have an immune suppressed family member as well (extended family, not in our household). He takes careful and prudent measures to ensure he is not at risk. It doesn't mean they barricade the doors and block out all sunlight, even though blocking out all sunlight may help with the air conditioning thing.

Do you recommend we close Arizona for the summer? I mean, it's hot here, really hot. I'm hoping once I kick the last kid out of the house, that I will be able to lock the doors for the summer and head north. Until then, my AC will be on during the summer. At least I don't have to heat the pool, that helps cut cost.

While we are at it, I guess we could also close portions of the IE and the desert cities in CA. I would go out on a limb and say the IE is over half of the population of Arizona and about equal to the population of the greater phoenix metro area.

Do a bit of research and you will see that youth sports, especially soccer have yet to create a second wave anywhere. Hard hit states like NJ have been having large tournaments all summer long.

But triggered, no. Involved in and enjoying entertaining soccer forums while working from home - YES. Plenty of good info on here, as well as insight. If this forum triggers you - you have a choice...
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Ya ya you and your AIR CONDITIONERS! You and your SOCCER! You and your "LIVE FREE OR DIE!"

 
JumboJack said:
That's one way to phrase it. One could also say the "At the beginning of this the experts were wrong but now they are right..... unless they are wrong again".
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I dont see why we should expect our disease forecast to be any better than the weather forecast.

If anything, it should be worse. We have weather every day. We have a new disease once a decade.
 
JumboJack said:
That's one way to phrase it. One could also say the "At the beginning of this the experts were wrong but now they are right..... unless they are wrong again".
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Or, you listened to the wrong sources and as a result of that you don't believe the virus is real because you haven't been personally affected so it's ok for your kid to go play no matter what the consequences.
 
happy9 said:
No one is triggered, I responded and then asked a follow on question - it's called discussion, debate, conversation, etc.

Sounds like you are triggered? When did I tell you that your relatives shouldn't go outside? I'm pretty sure I said it's their choice to not go outside. That's what's cool about our constitution. I have an immune suppressed family member as well (extended family, not in our household). He takes careful and prudent measures to ensure he is not at risk. It doesn't mean they barricade the doors and block out all sunlight, even though blocking out all sunlight may help with the air conditioning thing.

Do you recommend we close Arizona for the summer? I mean, it's hot here, really hot. I'm hoping once I kick the last kid out of the house, that I will be able to lock the doors for the summer and head north. Until then, my AC will be on during the summer. At least I don't have to heat the pool, that helps cut cost.

While we are at it, I guess we could also close portions of the IE and the desert cities in CA. I would go out on a limb and say the IE is over half of the population of Arizona and about equal to the population of the greater phoenix metro area.

Do a bit of research and you will see that youth sports, especially soccer have yet to create a second wave anywhere. Hard hit states like NJ have been having large tournaments all summer long.

But triggered, no. Involved in and enjoying entertaining soccer forums while working from home - YES. Plenty of good info on here, as well as insight. If this forum triggers you - you have a choice...
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LOL. It must be tough, can't read between the lines of what to do, what is right for you or everyone else, so just choose yourself. And while you're at it, blame something else, but don't blame yourself or how you are part of the problem. Do some research. The virus spreads in close proximity. No one is doing studies on youth soccer. No one needs to. Your kid infects someone elses kid, and they infect some else, that person dies. It doesn't matter to you, you don't need to worry, you work from home, everything in your life is good. Crank up the AC, a not very green planet awaits you.
 
thelonggame said:
You and your I don't care, and I will not pay taxes either. Why should I?
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For what it's worth, red ass, I work, I pay my taxes and I wear my mask. So did many others in Arizona when I was there last week. And just like we see in California, there were many others that didn't and still run their air conditioners.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
That's understandable based on what the experts thought about what was needed for "herd immunity" to kick in. There's a lot being learned about this virus and how viruses spread in general.
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When will we be at herd immunity.

www.independent.co.uk

What if herd immunity to coronavirus is closer than scientists thought?

In New York, London and Mumbai, there might already be substantial immunity to coronavirus
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Also looks like China has been using a vaccine.

www.cnn.com

China says it's been vaccinating doctors and border workers since July

China has been using an experimental coronavirus vaccine on people who work in "high risk" professions since July, including front line medical professionals and border inspectors, a senior official from the national health commission revealed over the weekend.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
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