2021 Women’s D1 Soccer Talk!!!!

dk_b said:
Let's say there is no season for a team with a squad of 26 players - 8 frosh, 7 sophs, 6 jrs and 5 srs - and the NCAA permits the seniors to return even if they've already used a red shirt year and let's say 3 of those 5 choose to return and there is less attrition from the underclass players. Do the math - there just are not as many slots for a recruiting class of 8 players (or 5 or 12). It's a logjam that would be created so something would need to give.

As I have written, I hope it does not come to that as I hope there is a season (assuming it can be played safely).

Not sure the large endowments will matter as this will be a function of NCAA rules and then what a specific athletic department is permitted under its budget. With an academic year (at least the fall term) with fewer students enrolled, I'd expect budget shortfalls to be common and if institutions are dipping into their endowments, I don't imagine that athletic departments will be that high on the list of priorities (even if allowed), and certainly the minor sports will suffer more.
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Academic scholarships can be funded by endowments. Many if not most scholarship awards are a combination of academic and athletic. Also, by the time the player is a senior, (unless you are at Stanford, USC, UCLA or NC) the fast majority of them are ready to move on to the work force or graduate school. If they have eligibility remaining they can use that to help them get into a graduate program and play soccer at the new school.
 
dad4 said:
Sort of.

I used to have a bunch of kids in my class who asked the “when will I ever use this” question about algebra. It was easy to answer when they were undecided about their future. I could answer it with some variant of “maybe you want to be a veterinarian / biologist / businessman.”

It was harder to justify algebra to the kid who wants to be a car mechanic. The one who knows every English and metric wrench by sight, and has rebuilt enough transmissions that he knows you don’t use algebra while you’re working on them.

So I told him the truth. He’d never use algebra while working on cars. If he ever got rich enough to open his own shop, he’d go back to night school for accounting anyway. For him, all it did was tell vocational college whether he was the kind of kid who works hard.

He worked hard and got a B+. I’m sure he’s a good mechanic. But I doubt he’s used algebra since he left my class.
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If he has to do any fabrication or budgeting at home , he will be using algebra in some form.
 
vegasguy said:
Math is a fundamental or core value and that includes algebra. Calc and Trig not fundamental but algebra is for sure. Give me a job any job and I can tell you how math applies daily. The simple answer is how much am I making vs. how much am I paid (taxes). But even a receptionist at a dental office uses math daily.
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Well, you can have it....lol!! Ok, a little Pre Al can help a little too. No more SAT is huge.
 
dad4 said:
Sort of.

I used to have a bunch of kids in my class who asked the “when will I ever use this” question about algebra. It was easy to answer when they were undecided about their future. I could answer it with some variant of “maybe you want to be a veterinarian / biologist / businessman.”

It was harder to justify algebra to the kid who wants to be a car mechanic. The one who knows every English and metric wrench by sight, and has rebuilt enough transmissions that he knows you don’t use algebra while you’re working on them.

So I told him the truth. He’d never use algebra while working on cars. If he ever got rich enough to open his own shop, he’d go back to night school for accounting anyway. For him, all it did was tell vocational college whether he was the kind of kid who works hard.

He worked hard and got a B+. I’m sure he’s a good mechanic. But I doubt he’s used algebra since he left my class.
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Thank you. Or, he can have his wife handle the books and maybe his son so he can relax and not take his job home to his family. Too many owners do it all and in todays world it's better to share. If you want to own it all, then by all means you better get your ass in business school and never get married.
 
Copa9 said:
Academic scholarships can be funded by endowments. Many if not most scholarship awards are a combination of academic and athletic. Also, by the time the player is a senior, (unless you are at Stanford, USC, UCLA or NC) the fast majority of them are ready to move on to the work force or graduate school. If they have eligibility remaining they can use that to help them get into a graduate program and play soccer at the new school.
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Right - my point is that it is hard for me to believe that athletic departments are going to go to great lengths, and that the university at large will support such efforts, to use endowed funds in this way. It's not just soccer, it's all sports, so the potential $$$ is not small even if it is compared to a university's endowment. I think the theory is really sound but, in practice, if the season is bagged and eligibility is extended (like for spring 2020 sports), there will be a train wreck in terms of numbers and we don't really know what will happen. But to think that there will be little impact on players who have not signed NLIs and are still a year or 3 from proving themselves at the college level strikes me as wishful. It is what I wish, to be honest, as there are a lot of HS-age players I care about, but it is not what I'd expect to play out. Hopefully this is a non-issue.
 
dk_b said:
Right - my point is that it is hard for me to believe that athletic departments are going to go to great lengths, and that the university at large will support such efforts, to use endowed funds in this way. It's not just soccer, it's all sports, so the potential $$$ is not small even if it is compared to a university's endowment. I think the theory is really sound but, in practice, if the season is bagged and eligibility is extended (like for spring 2020 sports), there will be a train wreck in terms of numbers and we don't really know what will happen. But to think that there will be little impact on players who have not signed NLIs and are still a year or 3 from proving themselves at the college level strikes me as wishful. It is what I wish, to be honest, as there are a lot of HS-age players I care about, but it is not what I'd expect to play out. Hopefully this is a non-issue.
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14 athletic scholarships? What does a athletic scholarship consist of anyways? What does full mean? For example, if the player they like is 4.5 gpa and all word human and top top SAT, they might get a academic scholarship plus grants plus this and that. They might need only a 10% athletic money because their super talented student? Or, they could be ok student but the bomb soccer player. No academic but 80% athletic and 20% financial aid=full ride?
 
dad4 said:
It was harder to justify algebra to the kid who wants to be a car mechanic. The one who knows every English and metric wrench by sight, and has rebuilt enough transmissions that he knows you don’t use algebra while you’re working on them.
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I get what you are saying but even a mechanic especially on the older vehicles are using math with timing light or gear ratio or if they are modifying a vehicle their are ratios to be calculated. If they become a shop owner, there is plenty of math. My mechanic is a former mechanical engineer.

I am not great at math but use it daily. Often not thinking ugghh I got to math this problem.
 
The problem with math and other subjects in school, they beat up and discourage many folks Vegas guy. My nephew is a great example. His brain was a car and he can put anything together. Math, not really and he was poor in writing. He was made to feel like a loser so he just went to HS to make his mom happy. After hs, he went to work for auto shop place. He learned how to run a shop and later opened his own shop. He's on fire and was never in debt.
 
Ellejustus said:
The problem with math and other subjects in school, they beat up and discourage many folks Vegas guy. My nephew is a great example. His brain was a car and he can put anything together. Math, not really and he was poor in writing. He was made to feel like a loser so he just went to HS to make his mom happy. After hs, he went to work for auto shop place. He learned how to run a shop and later opened his own shop. He's on fire and was never in debt.
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But is that a math problem or a teaching problem. I feel there is a way to teach everything to make it palatable. Again I get college is not for everyone.
 
vegasguy said:
But is that a math problem or a teaching problem. I feel there is a way to teach everything to make it palatable. Again I get college is not for everyone.
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Let me explain. The math from the past needs to change imo. The old way of judging and making fun of people because they suck at math is wrong. Anyway, I love math but hate the requirements and how some teachers make people feel if there weak in that subject. I hit another touchy subject I see. I love math :)
 
Ellejustus said:
Let me explain. The math from the past needs to change imo. The old way of judging and making fun of people because they suck at math is wrong. Anyway, I love math but hate the requirements and how some teachers make people feel if there weak in that subject. I hit another touchy subject I see. I love math :)
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Not touchy just realistic and although I am not good at it and my player is definitely not good at it, there is a part of math that still belongs on ACT/SAT. (IMO). You do not want to go to college do not take the tests. You want to go to school and not take the test go to a Cal State school (lol)
 
vegasguy said:
Not touchy just realistic and although I am not good at it and my player is definitely not good at it, there is a part of math that still belongs on ACT/SAT. (IMO). You do not want to go to college do not take the tests. You want to go to school and not take the test go to a Cal State school (lol)
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Too many tests and when you see all the cheating, it makes it all the worse. I'm not saying all cheat, but many do and jump the line. I would like to see less test and judgement and a place for non math in college to help resolve the stress on the girls.
 
How do you judge admittance for athlete and NARP. Are the factors the same? Do athletes get treated differently.. where does the bias stop?
 
mo fields said:
When are schools back for training? 45 days away from preseason!!!!
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Not 100% confirmed yet but hearing reporting date of 7/26 or 7/27. One week of Covid testing and other physicals. Independant training that week. Then practice/training in pods of 8. Maybe for 1-2 weeks. Then full team practice. Training camp in Dorms but solo occupancy. Other changes in AT and locker rooms to limit occupancy and provide distancing. Also team is working on a plan to get the international students back into the country.

From the CDC:

With specific exceptions, foreign nationals who have been in any of the following countries during the past 14 days may not enter the United States. For a full list of exceptions, please refer to the relevant proclamations in the links below.

  • China
  • Iran
  • European Schengen area(Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Monaco, San Marino, Vatican City)
  • United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland)
  • Republic of Ireland
  • Brazil
 
Ellejustus said:
What kind of Math Matters Big Time? Is their a level we can agree on at least for the average person not going to college or wants to do something in college that only basic math is required? Not all brains work well in math, you catch my drift? Just because one can read and write and count to 10 does not make them better then the other kids locked out of the system. I said this before and I wont say it again. The kind of basic math I'm promoting is how to save your money, how to protect yourself from scam artists and how to save some more money and balance a check book and work hard saving even more and not go into debt if at all possible.
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Even if your kid goes into the trades, such as carpentry or cosmetology, Math skills are still used and the more practice with it the fewer challenges/mistakes a person will need to overcome.
 
gkrent said:
Even if your kid goes into the trades, such as carpentry or cosmetology, Math skills are still used and the more practice with it the fewer challenges/mistakes a person will need to overcome.
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Find, all you math lovers, you win. My gosh. Most girls hate math for obvious reasons. Keep selling it boys.........Sorry I brought math up.
 
vegasguy said:
generalization.
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Look bro, my wife and I were the coolest youth leaders around back in the day. 15 years of service and really enjoyed it. Some kids felt they could be honest without getting into trouble with us for having a thought about math courses and how hard they are. They will tell you all to take math away if they could. Most, not all hate "math the class." We need better math classes that teach not to get into debt with student loans if possible, learn not to get cc as freshman on campus, learn how to balance a check book. Basic life math is a must.
 
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