I am wondering if there will a lot of 2021 and 2020 players that will decommit from their chosen university due to the current coronovirus situation as well as the security concerns due to the protests. Will those students that are already at the university chose not to come back because of the same issues? If I had a DD attending U of Minnesota, I would be thinking long and hard about paying for another year until they figure out that situation. Thoughts?
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SDSU is allowing Fr and Soph to live on campus. However, only lab classes offered in person. All my sons classes will be only offered online so he has decided to sit this semester out and work and learn how to surf. He's super bummed out but oh well he says. The flu was bad last year in his housing so he can imagine what that will be like this year. Hopefully Spring Semester will be opened up. His old roommate sister was incoming Fr and has decided to travel for a year.....
dk_b
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If my kid were not playing soccer, I'd have her take a gap year, b/c I would not want to pay full freight for something that may not "look like" college. I am not sure that she'd be any safer at home - she'd be more bored, restless, etc. - than she will be at school where she probably will have better access to testing, more structure and, in many ways, more active support than a home environment can provide. It also will not be a typical "gap year" for kids who do that b/c if college is not perceived as safe, what else will be? That is, would I be comfortable with my kid working abroad for a year or getting a job or doing public service here? As of now, my kid's school (in the Pac12) will have in-person instruction and likely remote learning as well. Like everyone else, we are waiting to hear what the sports situation will be and expect that it will be something a bit more truncated than what we'd have expected. Though I think that I'd prefer a truncated season to no season, even if eligibility is fully maintained. If the season is shit-canned, I anticipate that a LOT of HS class of 2021 verbals will be pulled and/or deferred (which will have a cascading effect) since the HS class of 2020 now have signed NLIs, binding agreements that require scholarship levels be maintained.
I sincerely hope the second part of what you said does not come to pass. That would be unbelievably horrible. How would that even work in your estimation, in terms of them pulling verbals? NLIs for 2021s can be signed in November.
Simisoccerfan
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Everything hinges upon football and what happens with that revenue stream. The incoming soccer class's scholarships are protected. All future classes could be impacted.
dk_b
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I hope that does not come to pass but here is how I think this could happen: if the season is cancelled (like spring sports were) and if all players did not lose eligibility, schools have a conundrum of some players under binding financial agreements (NLIs) and other players w/o binding commitments. Whatever # of scholarships that are available is a function of the NCAA (14/year) and the school (not all schools fully fund 14 scholarships) - the NCAA increases the total # for a year or a period of time (b/c of 5th year seniors in 2021), that does not mean that all schools will fully fund the larger # of scholarships. So what is the school to do? They can't boot players who have binding agreements - well, they can from the roster but that does not free up $$$ - and they may not be able to honor all "commitments" b/c the $$$ is not there or b/c the NCAA won't allow that # of scholarships (or both). So I'd expect them to look to players under verbals to change the award amounts or to decommit players. If all the schools are doing it - or a large # of schools - there won't be the negative implication of schools decommitting players (or at least not as concentrated).
It all changes after NLIs are signed but I'd expect that November date to change if the fall season is cancelled (just as the recruiting rules have been changing) and it would not surprise me if that date changes in any event (remember, that Nov date is relatively new - was last year or the year before, the first time?). If the fall season is not cancelled, I don't see the NCAA accommodating specific schools who may not participate and I would not expect changes (dropping verbals, for example, or changing levels of award in the verbal offers) for schools who do participate but those schools that do no participate may elect to redshirt seniors they want back and that may create larger rosters and create a challenge to accomdoate current high school players.
Makes sense. I do believe there will be a season and as Simi says, Football is critical. My DD is also a PAC 12 comit and I think Power 5 is probably doing everything they can to have a season and honor their current verbal recruits.
The word we are getting is that the season is on in full but some games have been switched due to travel restrictions of some colleges. Football and basketball players already in town and soccer reports 1st of July for 7 day quarantine then "voluntary" work outs. If some states don't open, those games may be canceled as well.
dk_b
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Definitely looking more promising now. And gotta believe that schools with football (esp power 5 w/solid TV contracts) will do everything they can to have those games - as @Dubs was suggesting - as that would be a huge budget loss (I wonder if it will destroy certain programs). The NCAA also is likely cr*pping in their pants - losing football revenue after losing March Madness . . . that would be an enormous hit to the bottom line. Maybe drop the football scholarship number from 63 (or whatever the # is) to, say, 50 (still would be 2-deep on O and D + 6 special teams or "other") and see how that impacts the budget.
eastbaysoccer
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agree that colleges cut football scholarships for 2-4 years and then reinstate them. However that would mean reducing the number of scholarships in womens sports too. Not a good time to be a sophomore or below when it comes to securing an athletic scholarship.
eastbaysoccer
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NEWS: SMU athletics is requiring all student-athletes to sign a COVID-19 waiver before returning for voluntary workouts.
It requires student-athletes to release SMU from future liability.
The Dallas Morning News obtained a copy of the contract.
So with that said, will colleges be liable for voluntary soccer team work outs if there is a COVID outbreak? We all know coaches organize this underground but say it’s “optional”. How would this play out in court? Clearly SMU has some concerns hence the waiver.
It requires student-athletes to release SMU from future liability.
The Dallas Morning News obtained a copy of the contract.
So with that said, will colleges be liable for voluntary soccer team work outs if there is a COVID outbreak? We all know coaches organize this underground but say it’s “optional”. How would this play out in court? Clearly SMU has some concerns hence the waiver.
In today’s litigious society does this surprise you?
Not one bit...clubs are doing it, businesses are doing it...the University’s can’t control what every student athlete does or for that matter what every student does on their own time, what the employees do, etc. It is an unreasonable expectation. The University’s and Athletic Programs are going to do their part with the correct protocols as best they can, it won’t be perfect, and their will be gaps, and yes some student/athletes will get infected. The fact is the kids don’t have to go to college or play college sports. Service providers and businesses can’t be responsible for Covid, the Flu, or anything of the like. The Federal, State, and Local Government is not responsible for Covid, the Flu, etc. If the young adult wants to participate they are going to have to roll the dice. I get people want somebody to be responsible if they or their loved one gets infected, but there really is not anybody to blame but yourself. If you want 100% assurance you will not catch Covid, stay isolated, do not interact with others, and bunker down. #hermitlife
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I've been rolling the dice my hole life. I jumped off a 70 foot cliff when I was 11 into the ocean. I was youngest ever at the Bay to do it. I rolled the dice hitch hiking and I swear one of those crazy killers in Socal picked me up when I was 14. Dude starting some crap on me and I jumped out on PCH, no joke. I roll the dice because that's life. Let's roll the dice and let the kiddos play some soccer. I like her chances in this roll.
MacDre
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I agree. But the “ambulance chaser” in me could have lots of fun playing with theories of negligence, misrepresentation, and fraud in the inducement if a clients kid gets sick. Has to be very scary times for youth sports.
I agree there will be “ambulance chasing”. It’s a shame. Only takes a few to bring it down for everyone. Costs go up, less opportunities as organizations and businesses need more to defend lawsuits or they won’t take the risk at all. I have never heard of anybody suing over catching the flu (Covid is obviously different and more dangerous), but who knows? I’m sure somebody will give it a go.
Don't forget, most of the D1 schools and many of the D2 and D3 schools have huge endowments. I don't see them back tracking too much on offers, they still need players if they have the sport. A lot of players might decommit if they do not get what was verbally offered because they need those resources to attend that university. It is going to be interesting to see what happens from the classroom to the field.
I've been advocating no GPA, no math outside of financial responsibility ((who was teaching that class to us in America?)) and SAT/ACT to determined ones self worth. Biggest BS taught to all of us.
dk_b
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Let's say there is no season for a team with a squad of 26 players - 8 frosh, 7 sophs, 6 jrs and 5 srs - and the NCAA permits the seniors to return even if they've already used a red shirt year and let's say 3 of those 5 choose to return and there is less attrition from the underclass players. Do the math - there just are not as many slots for a recruiting class of 8 players (or 5 or 12). It's a logjam that would be created so something would need to give.
As I have written, I hope it does not come to that as I hope there is a season (assuming it can be played safely).
Not sure the large endowments will matter as this will be a function of NCAA rules and then what a specific athletic department is permitted under its budget. With an academic year (at least the fall term) with fewer students enrolled, I'd expect budget shortfalls to be common and if institutions are dipping into their endowments, I don't imagine that athletic departments will be that high on the list of priorities (even if allowed), and certainly the minor sports will suffer more.
Simisoccerfan
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Having an Engineering Degree and being an Engineering Manager I can not disagree with you more about the no math requirement. It's not the actual math that is valuable, it is that you have proven the ability to master a difficult subject. It teaches how to solve complex problems and what is life but a complex problem?