Desert Hound
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It also allows one to understand that "free college, free healthcare" and other goodies offered up cannot possibly be free.
Math is very important.
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Math is very important.
Its the mistreatment and placement of kids when their young, especially rambunctious teenagers. math is important only to the ones it's important. it causes the most anxiety and stress on the average student and it makes many feel defeated and stupid all because some folks have to be an Engineer or a math teacher or a super smart geek. You will see exactly what I'm talking about very soon. These kids have been forced to go into debt and get out with a house payment and no house. Now, no job either. The days of, "you better go to college if you want to make something of yourself" is over everyone. It's now just one of many choices one can make. Choices is what this great country is about imo. I love college btw, just not the way it was sold to all of us.
dk_b
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I loved math as a teen but did not study in college (my degree is in the humanities and my graduate work did not require math). But I use math all the time. And when I cook with my kids, we use algebra all the time - you are constantly solving for "x" as you scale recipes (in fact, in my area of practice, I run capitalization models with different variables and am using math nearly every day). While I'd like my kids to learn the foundational properties of physics, chemistry and biology, I'd like them to have a very high fluency in math as that skill is practical to every day living.
I disagree with “math is only important to those it’s important to.” You NEED math in life. Big time. Like others have mentioned - mastering a difficult subject, problem solving, critical thinking, just the basics...The stress you mentioned gets amplified as they get older when they don’t have the basic tools/skills to figure out the time value of money, interest on a home or vehicle loan, how investments work...they can’t interpret data, the list goes on and on. Ignorance is the poorest of excuses. They are just kicking the can down the road and parents let them. These young adults will be unprepared, make poor financial decisions, and many can’t even understand the student loans they have taken out and the repayment model. I have nieces and nephews who fit this description to a T.
If they don’t want to deal with the concepts when it is time and they want to defer or ignore they shouldn’t complain when they don’t get the same opportunities others get. Math matters. You don’t have to like math, be good at it, or have it be your favorite subject. You just need to be committed to work on it (2020 Disclaimer...my underlying assumption is that the individual/situation I am describing has no mental hardships, learning disabilities, family problems, negative life events or the like. Don’t know who you will trigger these days).
What kind of Math Matters Big Time? Is their a level we can agree on at least for the average person not going to college or wants to do something in college that only basic math is required? Not all brains work well in math, you catch my drift? Just because one can read and write and count to 10 does not make them better then the other kids locked out of the system. I said this before and I wont say it again. The kind of basic math I'm promoting is how to save your money, how to protect yourself from scam artists and how to save some more money and balance a check book and work hard saving even more and not go into debt if at all possible.
Simisoccerfan
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By
Robert Longley
Updated October 20, 2019
How much more is higher education worth in cold hard money than a high school diploma? Plenty.
Men with a graduate degree earned more than $1.5 million in lifetime earnings than those with just a high school diploma, according to 2015 statistics from the Social Security Administration. Women earn $1.1 million more.
A previous report by U.S. Census Bureau titled "The Big Payoff: Educational Attainment and Synthetic Estimates of Work-Life Earnings" noted:
The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) figures from 2017 show median weekly wages progressively increasing with educational attainment:
"At most ages, more education equates with higher earnings, and the payoff is most notable at the highest educational levels," said Jennifer Cheeseman Day, co-author of the report.
Who Earns the Most?
It's not surprising that doctors and engineers do best. According to the BLS, anesthesiologists, surgeons, obstetrician-gynecologists, orthodontists, and psychiatrists all make well over $200,000 a year. Even general physicians, chief executives, dentists, nurse anesthetists, pilots and flight engineers, and petroleum engineers all make $175,000–$200,000.
Still in the six-figure category are: information system managers, podiatrists, architectural and engineering managers, marketing managers, financial managers, attorneys, sales managers, natural sciences managers, and compensation and benefits managers.
Of course, most people pursue their passion rather than the dollar when looking at career options, though earning potential is often a factor for many.
Robert Longley
Updated October 20, 2019
How much more is higher education worth in cold hard money than a high school diploma? Plenty.
Men with a graduate degree earned more than $1.5 million in lifetime earnings than those with just a high school diploma, according to 2015 statistics from the Social Security Administration. Women earn $1.1 million more.
A previous report by U.S. Census Bureau titled "The Big Payoff: Educational Attainment and Synthetic Estimates of Work-Life Earnings" noted:
The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) figures from 2017 show median weekly wages progressively increasing with educational attainment:
- Professional degree: $1,836
- Doctoral degree: $1,743
- Master's degree: $1,401
- Bachelor's degree: $1,173
- Associate's degree: $836
- Some college, no degree: $774
- High school diploma, no college: $712
- Less than a high school diploma: $520
"At most ages, more education equates with higher earnings, and the payoff is most notable at the highest educational levels," said Jennifer Cheeseman Day, co-author of the report.
Who Earns the Most?
It's not surprising that doctors and engineers do best. According to the BLS, anesthesiologists, surgeons, obstetrician-gynecologists, orthodontists, and psychiatrists all make well over $200,000 a year. Even general physicians, chief executives, dentists, nurse anesthetists, pilots and flight engineers, and petroleum engineers all make $175,000–$200,000.
Still in the six-figure category are: information system managers, podiatrists, architectural and engineering managers, marketing managers, financial managers, attorneys, sales managers, natural sciences managers, and compensation and benefits managers.
Of course, most people pursue their passion rather than the dollar when looking at career options, though earning potential is often a factor for many.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
That is why math matters. You don't get any of those degrees without math.
And what U to you work for....lol????? This is old news and that data you can throw out the window. In 10 years I will be write and you will be wrong. Would you want to make a bet? How much debt to people owe for college in this country? Math matters especially when you owe so much money and you cant find a job. Imagine that. Trade schools are killing it btw and you dont need to know geometry or Trig to make a buck in life anymore or a lot of bucks for that matter. Plus, if you can play hoops you should be able to skip college and go to the NBA. Who the hell put that rule in place? And why?
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
Wow! All I can say is good luck!
I don’t know a carpenter that doesn’t know geometry or a plumber who doesn’t know algebra.
Even “blue collar” jobs require mathematical problem solving.
What is wrong with all you about math and forcing it for two years in college? I'm talking about basic math, not two years of stuff you wont remember and it keeps smart cats out of some schools because it bring your score ((GPA down)) down. Unless you cheat like so many out there you get away with it. If A=B and C is T, then what the Hell is Z? A+9=11? OK. enough with math.
I want to give a shout out to my liberal arts math teacher at Rio Hondo College back in 90'. Without his grace on curve grading I would have not been excepted into Cal Poly. You see, I hated math and was really rebellious about it and its still coming out. The pain I have. I'm so good with numbers I do them all in my head. I'm not kidding. I am gifted. However, I thought I could sneak into Cal Poly without the math requirement of college level Algebra, I was so mad. i already was excepted but had to complete my freaking math requirement....oh oh I said. Anyway, based on my test, she said i need to take basic algebra and then take Algebra II. This was Spring Semester too and Cal Poly was September. I was in a deliema. I swear I prayed for help. Please help. Guess what. I took liberal arts math class in the summer, which was equivalent to Algebra II. A class in summer school one night a week. This teacher comes in saddles, shorts and Hawaiian shirt. Super liberal and said the following: "if you try and come to class and take all my test, you will get a C, no matter what your overall score." i got a 50% and dude gave me a B. I swear this is the hole truth and nothing but the truth." I didnt need no college level algebra to be a success in life.
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3thatplay
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I'm guessing you received the same grace from your English teachers as well.
Yes and actually so many hear have been kind not to notice or say anything until you did. I also stuttered really, really bad in school and kids made fun and my test scores put me int the class of failures. How I made it out I have no idea.....
3thatplay
SILVER
Not true. You have already been called out for grammar, spelling and stated that you couldn't care one bit. I think that you are far smarter than you lead everyone, by your ability to seemingly choose the most incorrect spelling of the words you use. e.g. isle versus aisle, hear and here, all of the "there's" and our and are etc. Plus you state that mathematics are difficult yet you also state that the numbers come to you in your head; able to spell "equivalent" correctly. It is as if you are some sort of savant "lorem ipsum" generator that almost makes sense.
He's the only poster I have on auto-ignore.
OK, I do love math and I'm really good with quick numbers and sales commissions and % of what you get and what I get. My cut basically. I just don;t like the kind of math they feed the kids at the schools and use it against some as not being smart or using there brain the right way for success. Anyone who knows me nos I've attacked the way it is taught and how it hurts some females GPA and causes some kids to quit school all together. I also really really had a hard time reading and comp. Nouns, verbs, lite or light, right or write, whole or hole and since and sense to name just a few. My fast brain hated trying to sort all that stuff as a young lad. Teachers would tell me how wrong I was when I was just righting what sounded write. Its fund and I can type way faster than I used two. Just type and go from the deep thoughts of my mine. If I try to write the right way then I lose my train of thought in my head.
That is the greatest accomplishment I think I ever caught. TY and you made my day
What is a genius savant?
“Savant syndrome” is the name for a rare, but extraordinary, condition in which someone with serious mental impairment (often some form of autism) displays a spectacular “island of genius” amidst his overall disability. ... What all savants have in common is prodigious, almost uncanny memory.
Wow, I learned a new word today and I have memory that is insane. Why me I would ask myself. I surely dint ask to be born and brought to this planet at this time but I take my calling as a man should. Things will get better everyone. Two sides have to fight it all out to see who is more right. I have to go to bed now. Good night friends on the message board. Espy, Joe, Kicker, Messy, Ricky, Jumbo Jack and all my pals down in the minors at u10. Let's hope for a better tomorrow and sweet dreams and I mean that for all of you.
“Savant syndrome” is the name for a rare, but extraordinary, condition in which someone with serious mental impairment (often some form of autism) displays a spectacular “island of genius” amidst his overall disability. ... What all savants have in common is prodigious, almost uncanny memory.
Wow, I learned a new word today and I have memory that is insane. Why me I would ask myself. I surely dint ask to be born and brought to this planet at this time but I take my calling as a man should. Things will get better everyone. Two sides have to fight it all out to see who is more right. I have to go to bed now. Good night friends on the message board. Espy, Joe, Kicker, Messy, Ricky, Jumbo Jack and all my pals down in the minors at u10. Let's hope for a better tomorrow and sweet dreams and I mean that for all of you.
vegasguy
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Math is a fundamental or core value and that includes algebra. Calc and Trig not fundamental but algebra is for sure. Give me a job any job and I can tell you how math applies daily. The simple answer is how much am I making vs. how much am I paid (taxes). But even a receptionist at a dental office uses math daily.
Sort of.
I used to have a bunch of kids in my class who asked the “when will I ever use this” question about algebra. It was easy to answer when they were undecided about their future. I could answer it with some variant of “maybe you want to be a veterinarian / biologist / businessman.”
It was harder to justify algebra to the kid who wants to be a car mechanic. The one who knows every English and metric wrench by sight, and has rebuilt enough transmissions that he knows you don’t use algebra while you’re working on them.
So I told him the truth. He’d never use algebra while working on cars. If he ever got rich enough to open his own shop, he’d go back to night school for accounting anyway. For him, all it did was tell vocational college whether he was the kind of kid who works hard.
He worked hard and got a B+. I’m sure he’s a good mechanic. But I doubt he’s used algebra since he left my class.