Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Mile High Dad said:
Our first year we split the bill, first half and second half iirc because it would lessen the pain. Payments for second half started Jan - May?
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Yea, I guess if you paid for the second half already that would necessitate a refund. I'm sure that's not going to be unique to DA clubs though if shelter in place goes through June/July. Tough situation for clubs and coaches too.
 
I spoke to some high ups but not at the highest of ups and they said they heard nothing about this GDA league crashing & burning. This Glenn guy started some rumor and we just don't have any clue yet on those meetings. Time to get all this out fast, not the old slow drip game these wise guys played on us 3 years ago. Always waited until the very last minute to lets us know about the future. I would appreciate some openness here.
 
Ellejustus said:
I spoke to some high ups but not at the highest of ups and they said they heard nothing about this GDA league crashing & burning. This Glenn guy started some rumor and we just don't have any clue yet on those meetings. Time to get all this out fast, not the old slow drip game these wise guys played on us 3 years ago. Always waited until the very last minute to lets us know about the future. I would appreciate some openness here.
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This isn’t about a tweet from Glenn. Look at the bigger picture. NC Courage coach Sean Nahas is also the GNT U15 coach. Courage pulled out of DA and went back to ECNL. Cindy Parlow Cone is connected to Courage as well. Why would Courage pull out of DA with a National team coach on staff and one of their own at the helm of US Soccer? Conspiracy theorists would say they knew something was coming and wanted to be in front of it rather than behind it and get the best deal for their club before the mad rush to get back in to ECNL began.

Look at other soccer blogs from other states. Other states are hearing the same thing. I don’t think Glenn Crooks has that many followers to ignite a national panic about DA and it’s future andMLS clubs are being unusually quiet.

Here’s what I think. US Soccer settles the lawsuit with the WNT out of court in the next month or so. Part of that settlement is that US Soccer has to financially prop up the NWSL, pay NWSL players more and even out the pay scale for the NT’s. Even though US Soccer has a reserve, they are poorly run as a whole. The DA admin staff are worse than those above them. The settlement is going to be big and cost US Soccer most of its reserves on top of needing to cut a hefty amount out of their budget. What a better way to do this than cut an unsuccessful program (and I would argue it’s been unsuccessful on both the boys and girls side), cut the staff that are over their heads anyways and save themselves the hassle of running a program they have no business running while redirecting the funds to plug the hole in the bottom of the NWSL boat and shut up Rapinoe.

Ultimately, GDA started because Jill Ellis wanted equality on the girls side creating a program for the girls that modeled the boys program (which was dumb) and taking away the high school component that Is important to the girls. Now the GDA dissolves because of the WNT crying for equality in pay and support of their pro league which redirects funds from one gender equality program in to another.

It’s not a bad thing. Boys DA was doing nothing to help the MNT. They are still horrible and struggle. Girls DA wasn’t needed. ECNL was doing a great job getting girls in to college and on to the WNT.

Last comment, even if this wasn’t about the money US Soccer realizes they’ve done a piss-poor job managing both DA programs. It’s time to cut their losses and get out.
 
dreamz said:
This isn’t about a tweet from Glenn. Look at the bigger picture. NC Courage coach Sean Nahas is also the GNT U15 coach. Courage pulled out of DA and went back to ECNL. Cindy Parlow Cone is connected to Courage as well. Why would Courage pull out of DA with a National team coach on staff and one of their own at the helm of US Soccer? Conspiracy theorists would say they knew something was coming and wanted to be in front of it rather than behind it and get the best deal for their club before the mad rush to get back in to ECNL began.

Look at other soccer blogs from other states. Other states are hearing the same thing. I don’t think Glenn Crooks has that many followers to ignite a national panic about DA and it’s future andMLS clubs are being unusually quiet.

Here’s what I think. US Soccer settles the lawsuit with the WNT out of court in the next month or so. Part of that settlement is that US Soccer has to financially prop up the NWSL, pay NWSL players more and even out the pay scale for the NT’s. Even though US Soccer has a reserve, they are poorly run as a whole. The DA admin staff are worse than those above them. The settlement is going to be big and cost US Soccer most of its reserves on top of needing to cut a hefty amount out of their budget. What a better way to do this than cut an unsuccessful program (and I would argue it’s been unsuccessful on both the boys and girls side), cut the staff that are over their heads anyways and save themselves the hassle of running a program they have no business running while redirecting the funds to plug the hole in the bottom of the NWSL boat and shut up Rapinoe.

Ultimately, GDA started because Jill Ellis wanted equality on the girls side creating a program for the girls that modeled the boys program (which was dumb) and taking away the high school component that Is important to the girls. Now the GDA dissolves because of the WNT crying for equality in pay and support of their pro league which redirects funds from one gender equality program in to another.

It’s not a bad thing. Boys DA was doing nothing to help the MNT. They are still horrible and struggle. Girls DA wasn’t needed. ECNL was doing a great job getting girls in to college and on to the WNT.

Last comment, even if this wasn’t about the money US Soccer realizes they’ve done a piss-poor job managing both DA programs. It’s time to cut their losses and get out.
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Cut and run from your mistakes?
 
I will be following the money from the lawsuit: who receives and who benefits? WNT may have caused unintended consequences to thousands of youth kids who actually supported them. They may have bitten the hand that fed them. We will see. One other thought, the settlement may include a clause to support DA. Nobody knows what’s being negotiated....
 
chiefs said:
I will be following the money from the lawsuit: who receives and who benefits? WNT may have caused unintended consequences to thousands of youth kids who actually supported them. They may have bitten the hand that fed them. We will see. One other thought, the settlement may include a clause to support DA. Nobody knows what’s being negotiated....
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The WNT doesn’t care about supporting DA. It’s about money in their pockets. Not putting in to the future of growing the game. It will be interesting to see if there is a gag order on the settlement or if it’s made public.

What would be interesting is a class-action lawsuit by the DA clubs against US Soccer for mandating coaching license levels at ridiculous fees, mandating XYandZ when it comes to training, filming, athletic trainers at games and the monetary investment into DA programs and then US Soccer pulling the plug after all of the money that clubs sank in to the DA With no recoup on their investments. These clubs have spent crazy amounts of money because of what US Soccer told them they had to do only to lose everything.

Hmmmm that would be interesting the more i think that thru.
 
dreamz said:
The WNT doesn’t care about supporting DA. It’s about money in their pockets. Not putting in to the future of growing the game. It will be interesting to see if there is a gag order on the settlement or if it’s made public.

What would be interesting is a class-action lawsuit by the DA clubs against US Soccer for mandating coaching license levels at ridiculous fees, mandating XYandZ when it comes to training, filming, athletic trainers at games and the monetary investment into DA programs and then US Soccer pulling the plug after all of the money that clubs sank in to the DA With no recoup on their investments. These clubs have spent crazy amounts of money because of what US Soccer told them they had to do only to lose everything.

Hmmmm that would be interesting the more i think that thru.
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Yes, that would be an easy action against US Soccer.... if WNT hogs the dough I will go from someone who cheered to someone who will jeer for sure.
 
dreamz said:
The WNT doesn’t care about supporting DA. It’s about money in their pockets. Not putting in to the future of growing the game. It will be interesting to see if there is a gag order on the settlement or if it’s made public.

What would be interesting is a class-action lawsuit by the DA clubs against US Soccer for mandating coaching license levels at ridiculous fees, mandating XYandZ when it comes to training, filming, athletic trainers at games and the monetary investment into DA programs and then US Soccer pulling the plug after all of the money that clubs sank in to the DA With no recoup on their investments. These clubs have spent crazy amounts of money because of what US Soccer told them they had to do only to lose everything.

Hmmmm that would be interesting the more i think that thru.
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Let's not forget about parents who were promised their Sally would become "world-Class." I got out early but I have friends who have played three years and Sally is still the same player. Dad spent $30,000+.........for what?
 
Ellejustus said:
Let's not forget about parents who were promised their Sally would become "world-Class." I got out early but I have friends who have played three years and Sally is still the same player. Dad spent $30,000+.........for what?
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Yep, we got out early as well as soon as we found it to be a bad situation
 
dreamz said:
The settlement is going to be big and cost US Soccer most of its reserves on top of needing to cut a hefty amount out of their budget. What a better way to do this than cut an unsuccessful program
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Except that US Soccer is not likely self-insured. Depending on the policy, insurance could cover much of any settlement. Cone has said she wants to settle and move on. The lawsuit is about unequal pay for the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs are only women on the USWNT. Nothing re the lawsuit has anything to do with the youth teams etc. There are lawyers on this forum. They have made some valid arguments in favor of the federation's case. Public opinion may be with the women but don't be so sure that their legal footing is as firm as their pop culture appeal.

I just can't get past the following: why on earth would Kate Markgraf---recently hired by the federation and well respected by most--be announcing new DA club additions in middle March (after Cordeiro already resigned in February and Cone installed) if they know they are trashing the entire thing only 3 weeks later? Either the rumor is complete BS or Kate Markgraf is just a talking head without any meaningful purpose and this makes her look foolish or conniving. For now, I think the former (BS).

One of the tweets early on this thread said an announcement was forthcoming today. Obviously, that is wrong.
 
oh canada said:
Except that US Soccer is not likely self-insured. Depending on the policy, insurance could cover much of any settlement. Cone has said she wants to settle and move on. The lawsuit is about unequal pay for the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs are only women on the USWNT. Nothing re the lawsuit has anything to do with the youth teams etc. There are lawyers on this forum. They have made some valid arguments in favor of the federation's case. Public opinion may be with the women but don't be so sure that their legal footing is as firm as their pop culture appeal.

I just can't get past the following: why on earth would Kate Markgraf---recently hired by the federation and well respected by most--be announcing new DA club additions in middle March (after Cordeiro already resigned in February and Cone installed) if they know they are trashing the entire thing only 3 weeks later? Either the rumor is complete BS or Kate Markgraf is just a talking head without any meaningful purpose and this makes her look foolish or conniving. For now, I think the former (BS).

One of the tweets early on this thread said an announcement was forthcoming today. Obviously, that is wrong.
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I think it will be announced this week some time but it wasn’t going to be today. Honestly I don’t think the decision had been made when Kate announced the new clubs (and not great clubs mind you) but by the same token, I do believe she’s just a talking head with no real purpose other than another woman in a prominent position with no decision making ability. I think there are others that would have been a better choice than Kate (nothing against her) but I don’t think they would have gone along with being a name with no authority. Maybe she didn’t know what her real non-role would be and maybe she thought she could make a difference but she’ll learn quickly. US Soccer’s revolving door moves faster than the revolving door at my frat house back in the day.
 
oh canada said:
Except that US Soccer is not likely self-insured. Depending on the policy, insurance could cover much of any settlement. Cone has said she wants to settle and move on. The lawsuit is about unequal pay for the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs are only women on the USWNT. Nothing re the lawsuit has anything to do with the youth teams etc. There are lawyers on this forum. They have made some valid arguments in favor of the federation's case. Public opinion may be with the women but don't be so sure that their legal footing is as firm as their pop culture appeal.

I just can't get past the following: why on earth would Kate Markgraf---recently hired by the federation and well respected by most--be announcing new DA club additions in middle March (after Cordeiro already resigned in February and Cone installed) if they know they are trashing the entire thing only 3 weeks later? Either the rumor is complete BS or Kate Markgraf is just a talking head without any meaningful purpose and this makes her look foolish or conniving. For now, I think the former (BS).

One of the tweets early on this thread said an announcement was forthcoming today. Obviously, that is wrong.
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You're completely forgetting that three weeks ago nobody had any idea that soccer was going to get shut down world wide for months on end......possibly the most important three-week swing in recent history
 
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